KriegHund
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I dont think anyone mentioned the russian 9x39mmm. I think its used int the special silenced form in the Groza?
9x19 vs 9mm Parabelum vs 9mm Luger
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Gixerman1000
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Here’s my list firearms chambered for the 9mm Luger and how they are marked.
1. Beretta CX-4 ----- 9mm Para
2. Beretta 92FS Centurion ----- 9mm Parabellum
3. Beretta 92FS ----- 9mm Parabellum
4. Beretta 92FS INOX ----- 9mm Parabellum
5. Beretta 8000F Cougar INOX ----- 9mm Para
6. Browning Hi-power ----- 9mm Luger
7. CZ 75B ----- 9mm Luger
8. Glock G17L ----- 9x19
9. Heckler & Koch P9S ----- 9mm Para
10. Heckler & Koch P7M8 ----- 9mm x19
11. Heckler & Koch USP9 ----- 9mm x19
12. Sig Sauer P226 ----- 9mm Para
13. Sig Sauer P228 ----- 9mm Para
14. Sig Sauer P239 ----- 9mm Para
15. S&W PC 952 ----- 9mm
16. S&W 3906 ----- 9mm Parabellum
17. Walther P38 ----- 9mm
1. Beretta CX-4 ----- 9mm Para
2. Beretta 92FS Centurion ----- 9mm Parabellum
3. Beretta 92FS ----- 9mm Parabellum
4. Beretta 92FS INOX ----- 9mm Parabellum
5. Beretta 8000F Cougar INOX ----- 9mm Para
6. Browning Hi-power ----- 9mm Luger
7. CZ 75B ----- 9mm Luger
8. Glock G17L ----- 9x19
9. Heckler & Koch P9S ----- 9mm Para
10. Heckler & Koch P7M8 ----- 9mm x19
11. Heckler & Koch USP9 ----- 9mm x19
12. Sig Sauer P226 ----- 9mm Para
13. Sig Sauer P228 ----- 9mm Para
14. Sig Sauer P239 ----- 9mm Para
15. S&W PC 952 ----- 9mm
16. S&W 3906 ----- 9mm Parabellum
17. Walther P38 ----- 9mm
Hemicuda
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Blue Dragon, my man...
13 posts ABOVE yours, i already mentioned the 9MM Largo... read before posting, dude...
13 posts ABOVE yours, i already mentioned the 9MM Largo... read before posting, dude...
R.W.Dale
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a few more 9mm Bergmann , and 9mm Steyr, cousins to 9x23 largo as well as 9mm mauser , 9mm glisenti , 9mm browning long and 9mm federal
atblis
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Not quite guys
9x19 = 9 Parabellum = 9 Luger
9x21 is not 38 Super
38 Super is not 9x23
9x23 and 9x23 Largo are not interchangeable
9x19 = 9 Parabellum = 9 Luger
9x21 is not 38 Super
38 Super is not 9x23
9x23 and 9x23 Largo are not interchangeable
MrBigStuff
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Good info Archie
Thanks for the myth-clearing
Thanks for the myth-clearing
Jadecristal
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SAAMI advisory question
/me carefully looks at the thread he's about to necro, and tries to decide if the thing with be a safe zombie or one that needs shot in the head quickly.
Ok, in reference to all of this, why does SAAMI say that you should not shoot 9mm NATO (which from all I can tell is just 9x19) from a gun chambered for 9mm Luger? Are all "modern" 9mm set up such that it's perfectly safe to fire 9x19/9mm NATO from them, and 9mm Luger happens to work too?
link: http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
I see people claiming that 9mm Luger is the same as 9mm NATO is the same as 9x19. Some expounding on this would be great.
Jadecristal
/me carefully looks at the thread he's about to necro, and tries to decide if the thing with be a safe zombie or one that needs shot in the head quickly.
Ok, in reference to all of this, why does SAAMI say that you should not shoot 9mm NATO (which from all I can tell is just 9x19) from a gun chambered for 9mm Luger? Are all "modern" 9mm set up such that it's perfectly safe to fire 9x19/9mm NATO from them, and 9mm Luger happens to work too?
link: http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
I see people claiming that 9mm Luger is the same as 9mm NATO is the same as 9x19. Some expounding on this would be great.
Jadecristal
robertbank
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Not sure why it takes so long to get info across a thread. Simple question...simple answer. The three names refer to the same cartridge, period.
Commercial loadings come in 115, 125 and 147 gr bullet weights. Some Euro ammo is loaded hotter than other Euro ammo. So too ammo made in the US. All can be fired in a 9MM gun designed for the cartrdge and marked with either of the three names. You got a rusty clunker made during WW 1 or WW11 by slave labour you might want to think about shooting the gun at all.
Take Care
Bob
Commercial loadings come in 115, 125 and 147 gr bullet weights. Some Euro ammo is loaded hotter than other Euro ammo. So too ammo made in the US. All can be fired in a 9MM gun designed for the cartrdge and marked with either of the three names. You got a rusty clunker made during WW 1 or WW11 by slave labour you might want to think about shooting the gun at all.
Take Care
Bob
YZR
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Latin: "Si vis pacem, para bellum."
English: "If you want peace, prepare for war."
English: "If you want peace, prepare for war."
lookin4fun
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I order some ammo that is marked 9mm Luger yet size is 9X18 is this ammo ok to use in a 9x19. Its marked as range/target ammo?
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No, 9x18 is 9mm Makarov. The Mak ammo, I believe, is actually more than 9mm in diameter, so it probably wouldn't chamber. Even if it did, I don't think the firing pin would even hit the primer due to the extra 1mm spacing difference.
Point is, don't try it. I don't know where you got the ammo from, but those are two different rounds. If the casing is marked "9x19", "9mm Para (or Parabellum)" or "9mm Luger", then it's okay to use. Otherwise, "9x18" or "9mm Makarov" it is NOT okay to use.
Out of curiosity, was it the Brown Bear FMJ ammo? As far as I know, that's the only widely-produced commercial Makarov ammo that you see much online.
Post a link to the place where you ordered it, if it is online.
Point is, don't try it. I don't know where you got the ammo from, but those are two different rounds. If the casing is marked "9x19", "9mm Para (or Parabellum)" or "9mm Luger", then it's okay to use. Otherwise, "9x18" or "9mm Makarov" it is NOT okay to use.
Out of curiosity, was it the Brown Bear FMJ ammo? As far as I know, that's the only widely-produced commercial Makarov ammo that you see much online.
Post a link to the place where you ordered it, if it is online.
Demitrios
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On a side note, via the fact that all the diameter's are the same for those who are shooting 9x19 Luger pistols can you shoot the other variations of 9mm out of said pistol? Or is it considered unsafe or impossible to feed the ammo into your gun?
rcmodel
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If it says:
9x19
9 mm Luger
9 mm NATO
9x19mm
9x19mm NATO
9 mm Parabellum
9 mm Para
You can shoot it.
If it says 9mm something else, you can't shoot it in a 9mm Luger chambered gun.
rc
9x19
9 mm Luger
9 mm NATO
9x19mm
9x19mm NATO
9 mm Parabellum
9 mm Para
You can shoot it.
If it says 9mm something else, you can't shoot it in a 9mm Luger chambered gun.
rc
lookin4fun
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Hey cchris the place i ordered from is natchezss.com. Not certain if we are allowed to post links in here! After measuring and checking other boxes I found the ammo is 9x19 some of the casing's must have got stamped harder than other cause the 9 looks like an 8 on some of them! The company is Sieller and Bellot is the maker of the ammo!
herohog
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9mm Winchester Magnum is NOT 9x23, it is 9x29! It was used in the AMT AutoMag and a FEW others. Here is a comparison or the 9x19, and the 9mm WinMag (9x29):
gearjammer-2000
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ok now my head hurts,lol
mesinge2
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Sooo Many nines!!!!
mljdeckard
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When I was a kid I went to the big thick dictionary in the local library to find out what 'parabellum' meant. It wasn't in there.
There's also the 9x25 Dillon, which is a 10mm casing necked down to a 9mm bullet.
(1911 user beat me to it.)
There's also the 9x25 Dillon, which is a 10mm casing necked down to a 9mm bullet.
(1911 user beat me to it.)
jakk280rem
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all this talk of 9mm and no mention of the 357 sig? shame.
since this thread was resurected after a year by a person asking about the use of 9mm mak in a 9mm para marked gun i will address that, even though the answer was previously answered in the thread.
no, 9x18 cannot safely be chambered and fired in a 9x19 gun. 9x18 makarov bullets are sized .363, 9x19 are sized .355. if a 9x18 found its way into a 9x19 chamber and was succesfuly fired, excesive pressures would result. this would result in the rapid deterioration of your barrel at best, and burst barrel or blown case at worst.
look at your invoice. if you inadvertently bought 9x18, you have an excuse to buy a very nice new pistol. cz 82's can be had for $250 all day long, or another hundred will get you a real makarov. if you ordered 9x19mm and they sent you 9mm mak, thats a return issue.
since this thread was resurected after a year by a person asking about the use of 9mm mak in a 9mm para marked gun i will address that, even though the answer was previously answered in the thread.
no, 9x18 cannot safely be chambered and fired in a 9x19 gun. 9x18 makarov bullets are sized .363, 9x19 are sized .355. if a 9x18 found its way into a 9x19 chamber and was succesfuly fired, excesive pressures would result. this would result in the rapid deterioration of your barrel at best, and burst barrel or blown case at worst.
look at your invoice. if you inadvertently bought 9x18, you have an excuse to buy a very nice new pistol. cz 82's can be had for $250 all day long, or another hundred will get you a real makarov. if you ordered 9x19mm and they sent you 9mm mak, thats a return issue.
lookin4fun: If this is the box they sent you (image is from the seller's website)...
And they are stamped 9x19 and the ones that look like 8's are the same size, then yes they are safe to shoot. There might have been a mix up, but if you compare them all side by side, they should look the exact same. 1mm is somewhat noticeable, so one should appear shorter if it is 9x18.
And they are stamped 9x19 and the ones that look like 8's are the same size, then yes they are safe to shoot. There might have been a mix up, but if you compare them all side by side, they should look the exact same. 1mm is somewhat noticeable, so one should appear shorter if it is 9x18.
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