A.b.c. Always be carrying!!!

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Kleanbore,

I hope my prose wasn't so turgid that I made myself unclear. I really do believe that where I live is relatively safe, and the likelihood that I will need a gun for anything beyond varmint hunting and feeding myself is small, but that doesn't mean that it's not a rare occasion that I am more than a heartbeat away from a gun. Part of it is that guns are my passion. Another part of it is that I understand that anything can happen to anybody anywhere.
 
I am curious as to what kind of code you have with a neighbor that means "come running out with an AK" do you have a separate code for come out with a handgun? What about shotgun.

If this kid had bad intentions do you think he would just say OK when your neighbor said he needed to call his wife? In what world do bad guys let their victims check in with their spouse? LOL "hold on one sec, Mr rapist and let me tell my husband i am running late"

AKs, secret codes this story seems pretty boisterous
 
Wow! Here all along I thought the thread was about 'Allways carrying a Gun'! Didn't know it was about where we live or what Johnnys secret codes were!:banghead: WHY CAN'T WE STAY ON SUBJECT? IT SURE WOULD HELP!
 
It's a poor example of why we should ABC. This guy did everything wrong, yet came to no harm whatsoever. That's a pretty sweet outcome - and much less costly than if he HAD been carrying.


I tend to agree. Just because a teenager demanded to be driven somewhere does not make them a threat. The fact that the neighbor ended up dropping the kid off in the middle of no where a few miles down the road, instead of the sister's house, is evidence the kid did not mean the neighbor harm. Just a screwed up kid. Probably a runaway desperate to get away from a situation and trying to get to a safe sanctuary......i.e. his sister. The kid approaching the older gent probably identified with his grandfather and his history of kindness.

One always needs to be aware of their surroundings. Unfortunately, many times we become comfortable in those surroundings or become distracted and leave ourselves vulnerable. The neighbor was fortunate in that he really wasn't put in harm's way. I don't know what good the OP being around would have done if the neighbor didn't think he could exit the vehicle or cry for help anyway. Just having a cell phone or a CWC on you, means nuttin' if you allow yourself to get caught with your pants down and find yourself looking down the barrel of someone else's gun.
 
Posted by buck460XVR: Just having a cell phone or a CWC on you, means nuttin' if you allow yourself to get caught with your pants down and find yourself looking down the barrel of someone else's gun.
Amen, brother!
 
2 recent cases in my metro area....

I'd add the examples of 2 recent incidents in my metro area(daytime pop approx 900,000):
A) A 72 year old US Army veteran & CCW holder was attacked as he pumped gas into his vehicle at a 7-11 type store. It was around 700am on a Sat. A thug ran up & said he had a gun, pushing the hapless veteran. The crusty victim struggled with the hooded felon & refused to give him any $$$. FWIW, the victim later said he had a valid CCW license but was unarmed. :uhoh:
A store employee rushed to the scene & provided aid to the man, the thug ran off & is at large.
B) About 4 weeks ago, in another area of the same city, an armed CCW holder was hassled by a street thug. He refused to give the vagrant any $ then went into the store. Upon his exit, the same street guy lunged at the license holder trying to kick & hit him. :eek:
The events & audio were recorded by the CCTV/security system. The victim drew his firearm shooting the thug. The subject died on the scene.
The CCW holder was investigated by LE & the local State Atty's Office. He was not charged & the prosecutors said he used lethal force that was justified.

These are 2 events with different endings based on the CCW holder being armed.
No one is perfect & nobody has a crystal ball, but having a firearm can help save you.
 
This man & boy were both lucky! Things like this for the most part end badly. Even in rural county's & towns people must be aware of who & what is around us! A nearby city has Mt. Lions & bears in down town sometimes! Here home invasion & robberys are up. Only 2 Sheriff Deputies on duty in our county & the county next to us has None! People living off the grid up in the forest in tents & hand built cabins & old RV.s are at risk, as most have no phone service! There are several biker gangs around making meth. In today's world it pays to BE PREPARED! That means having more than just a gun or a knife! It means useing your head & doing the best you can with what you have! I would not have stayed in the car & given the guy a ride! But I wasn't there & as everything turned out OK, maybe that was the thing to do! As I said I would have gotten out & handle it different. The main point though is pay attention to what & who is around you & HAVE A PLAN & BE PREPARED & READY TO USE IT!
 
As stated: locking the car doors would have prevented this incident. It is not difficult to do and is a perfect example of WHY we lock the car's doors. If manual locks are too difficult, they make these newfangled "electric door locks" that operate with the push of a single button. Additionally, car computers can can be programmed to automatically engage the lock when the car is put into drive and/or based upon time after the door is closed.

If you're going to whine that "he cannot afford a new car", then I'm just going to laugh at the idiot since he's had his freebie. The next guy may have a weapon and ask for a "monetary donation", as happened to a friend of mine while on the job in DC. If a female is involved, the person may demand sex.

My takeaway: lock the car doors every time, no exceptions -- no excuses. If the owner is too lazy to engage the locks, or program the car to do it automatically, then they're personally responsible for what happens to them. We are responsible for our own safety and locking the doors is an easy thing to do.
 
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This happened in the guys driveway while he was working on his car though. As several people have already pointed out, its not very practical to lock and unlock your car while repeatedly getting in and out.
 
You don't have to have all the door locks popping - just leave the driver's door unlocked as you get in and out.

And you don't have to have a gun on you every minute of the day. But you should be aware of your environment and what hours of the day you should be out and about considering the population at hand.

One major issue is that a lot of older residents of a neighborhood choose to stay put and not move. What will happen is that the neighborhood will change, and if the prices aren't appreciating, then they are depreciating relative to the overall market. That happens when other residents pass away and their children start renting out the house to whom they think are acceptable. All to often, the other residents find they are NOT.

Most of the major crime areas are dominated by rental housing. Period. That is why I propose that rental residential housing should be required to keep up with code. It's a commercial application, for profit BUSINESS, and investing in the property to maintain it's value shouldn't need to be a requirement. If the owner is keeping up the house with durable features, maintains the yard or requires it, and engages the renter to be "invested" in the neighborhood, things are much better.

Unfortunately, what happens is the building owners harvest as much cash out of the structure as the market will bear, and repairs are minimal. Frankly, with the number of charitable organizations and work days, the older widows can be taken care of to a better standard than many rentals I've seen left rotting.

Homeowners will put on a roof, keep the grass cut, install plantings, make repairs. My experience with a lot of lower price rentals is that the landlord does as little as possible, and when he does sell the house, it's because major renovations are needed to bring it up to code. And, I've done those renovations. I'm doing that right now to my house - making improvements I can enjoy and that will bring more value on the market when it finally changes hands again.

If you live in a poor area with buildings in disrepair, have no prospects of a good job or living in better housing, it depresses you. As a young teen, it's seems unfair, and wrong, because the ADULTS are failing them and doing NOTHING to fix the problem. Add in no father to have as leadership, and they search out another Alpha male who will be. If that individual is suffering from the same point of view, then they all tend to act out to create a barrier of security where they can do what they want without interference. That leads to gang activity.

All because some profit monger determined he could squeeze a few more bucks out of that old shack to enjoy another week on the beach. And now, you have to carry a gun just to get a loaf of bread and gallon of milk home.

Vote to force rentals to keep up with code, and the problems are reduced. It won't fix human behavior at it's worst, but it will tamp down a lot of the reasons why some react to what seems to be a horrible situation they can't escape from - dragging you down with them.

There is more to life than just choosing to carry a gun, and it's not the real solution to what is actually causing the problems.
 
I don't know about you but anybody jumping in my ride on my property and demanding a ride would most certainly make me feel in fear of my life. and I don't think I would have hesitated in using my Glock....

Firstly, in the Great State of Texas, the street in front of your house is not "your property".

Secondly...
Are you actually saying you would shoot a teenager for opening your car's door, sitting in the seat and demanding to be driven somewhere?

That statement alarms me, and honestly, I believe it's counterproductive of the cause to keep and bear arms. Do you really suppose your life is in danger in this situation? I'll admit that I would likely be surprised, certainly irritated and a few other things, but feeling in danger for my life? What's next, shooting the pizza guy because his tattoos scare you?

It really wouldn't have taken much for this situation to escalate in a bad direction.

I agree, it sounds like your armed presence wouldn't have been a good thing for anyone involved, nor for the right to keep and bear arms.

I'd suggest getting some counseling or something. At the very least get to know some teenagers.

And I'd also suggest you stop posting statements like these on the inter webs. If you were to find yourself in your neighbor's situation tomorrow and on trial some time shortly thereafter, you'd better hope I wasn't on the jury after having read this thread. The prosecutor in such a case would most certainly find such a posting and submit it for use as evidence.

So much for the high road.

-Matt
 
OP said: "I don't know about you but anybody jumping in my ride on my property and demanding a ride would most certainly make me feel in fear of my life. and I don't think I would have hesitated in using my Glock."

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It's called "pepper spray," or making up an excuse about needing your wallet then walking quickly back into your house, locking the doors, and calling police.

Or you could shoot him, enjoy a media circus, bring down CCWs everywhere across America, and spend the rest of your life in jail. Your choice.
 
Posted by JohnnyK: I don't know about you but anybody jumping in my ride on my property and demanding a ride would most certainly make me feel in fear of my life. and I don't think I would have hesitated in using my Glock.
How you might "feel" is one thing. What might be considered by others to constitute a reasonable belief, based upon what you knew at the time, would most probably be quite another. And it would be the latter that would count.

Posted by MattTheHat: That statement alarms me, and honestly, I believe it's counterproductive of the cause to keep and bear arms.
I agree wholeheartedly.

And I'd also suggest you stop posting statements like these on the inter webs. If you were to find yourself in your neighbor's situation tomorrow and on trial some time shortly thereafter, ... The prosecutor in such a case would most certainly find such a posting and submit it for use as evidence.
That is an excellent point. There is a sticky in ST&T on the subject. Should one be involved in an ambiguous use of force incident, a Internet posting, sign, poster, bumper sticker, letter, or not e on a napkin could be the feather that tips the scales of justice.

That one already exists, written in indelible electronic ink.
 
@matthehat in Texas, your vechicle is considered an extension of your house. you are perfectly justified in shooting somebody trying to steal your car. someone breaking in your car is the same as breaking in your house... i still wouldnt hesitate in using my glock.
also: i have worked as a pizza guy for 9 years... 4 years pizza hut, 5 years dominos... and I have tattoos... not a good example... tattooed pizza guys dont scare me... if anything, Id tip them better :)
 
@ACP i carry pepper gel pretty much everywhere I go...Im a big fan of the stuff... ive gone thru 3 cans in the past 5 years on stray and loose aggressive dogs when walking... ive seen too many videos of people sprayed with oc to think that will majically they will stop acting aggressivly or being a threat... i have 2 small kids and a wife... i will not hesitate to use deadly force to protect my own... i have a sticker next to my front and back door that clearly state "nothing inside worth dying over."
 
johnnyk said:
i still wouldnt hesitate in using my glock.

No one here can stop you, that's your decision.

Sounds like you're one bad*** MF!!

Some people are capable of learning from other's experiences, some aren't.

johnnyk said:
i have a sticker next to my front and back door that clearly state "nothing inside worth dying over."

You really think it's a good idea to warn someone that's going to break into your house that you're armed? Wouldn't that tend to make them MORE likely to be ready to use force against your family or you?
 
Post #54....

I can agree with post #54. :uhoh:
I saw a media report from Memphis TN that the police department has serious staffing & schedule problems. Some wards have zero officers & no one to answer priority 911 calls for service.
As for the property issues, my state too, says your personal vehicle is considered an extension of your residence or property. ;)

Id advise that any forum members use caution with these posts too. :uhoh:
What is legal or allowed in one state may not fly in another.
I recall a few years ago hearing of a case where a USMC veteran & Dept of Energy courier(an armed federal position that involved top secret/classified material) chased a crook out of his house & off his property.
The veteran was armed & fired a few rounds at the burglar in the driveway/street.
The New Mexico prosecutors/DA's office charged the home owner & said he shouldn't have shot at the subject as he ran away.

This is why gun owners/license holders should learn & understand the lethal force laws. Hollywood cop shows or gun shop parking lots are not the way to go.
 
@matthehat in Texas, your vechicle is considered an extension of your house. you are perfectly justified in shooting somebody trying to steal your car. someone breaking in your car is the same as breaking in your house... i still wouldnt hesitate in using my glock.
also: i have worked as a pizza guy for 9 years... 4 years pizza hut, 5 years dominos... and I have tattoos... not a good example... tattooed pizza guys dont scare me... if anything, Id tip them better

In a very limited way, specifically with regard to your right to carry immediately to and from your vehicle, yes, your vehicle is an extension of your home.

But unless the law has changed in the last couple of years, you *do not* have the right to shoot someone stealing your property unless it fits within the category of "impossible to replace" or some such wording. (Think family heirloom or rare collectibles.) This, at least, was the law when I took my CHL class.

I strongly suggest you seek legal advise before "using your Glock" in such a situation. If you're serious about being around to protect your wife and children, you owe it to yourself and to them to have someone qualified to interpret Texas state law to check your line of thinking. Even then, a jury of 12 might see it quite differently. I know if I were on the jury I would.

Out of curiosity, if you spent years delivering pizza (not the safest of gigs), what is it about the surprise presence of a teenage boy in your car that would make you fear for your life? Your children will someday become teenagers. Would you want one of them shot because they plopped down in the wrong car?

Seriously, man. Please seek legal advise.

-Matt
 
the teenager didn't show a weapon but demanded to be driven to his sister's house.

Well, I never!

The kid didn't even say "please."

He'd be hoofin' it with my bootprint in his butt. :D
 
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This attitude is what is so wrong.

As for having a holier than thou attitude about living where I do - it is exactly because I was stuck in a deteriorating neighborhood. The property values were declining insofar as the normal appreciation that should have happened, there were murders within blocks of the home, vandals were tagging the alley fences, and young thugs were beginning to appear strolling down the streets refusing to stay on the sidewalks. If they blocked traffic, to bad, make a scene, dude, we know where you live. You park your car on the street, right?

You know what it's like and speak from experience because you lived the same kind of life. You were smart and got out when you could but in the mean time, you lived in the ame type of situation!

So, you got smart and got out. Maybe he's at the point where he is like you WERE, there until he can get out. Just because you made the move when you could doesn't mean he is ready to make the move yet. Just like you, he's there now trying to get out. You were there trying to get out. Because you did get out, you act superior because you are smarter. That's your internet bravado you clam to hate. Well, in time he will get out too. Maybe you have 10 or 15 years on him. It's a pity that those who used to be there are the ones who chastize those still there. Remember, you used to be him. Get off your high horse and listen to what people are saying. Quit being so judgemental.
 
I live 3/8ths of a mile off the road in 31 acres of woods. If someone snuck up and sat down in my car like that chances are he would be shot. I won't gamble with my wife and kids lives, there are two gates, and signs posted all the way down. Chances are be is up to no good. I realize everyones situation is not like mine, but If I do make a mistake there thousands of acres of swamp behind me in Goshen swamp with alot of hungry turtles!
 
but If I do make a mistake there thousands of acres of swamp behind me in Goshen swamp with alot of hungry turtles!

So you'd kill the guy, ask questions later, and if you were wrong you'd throw the poor guy's carcass in the swamp?

Yet another "high road" statement, indeed. (Sarcasm.)


-Matt
 
Signs.....

I agree with the SOP for posting signs saying you have active security measures or no trespass.
In a medical office I worked in recently, I advised the mgmt to add a few small signs that warned any unauthorized personnel or transients that a CCTV system was in place.
The site had a recent bomb threat & a few break-ins. :uhoh:

Cameras or signs aren't going to stop all crimes but you are on a better legal platform if there is a lethal force event or civil action.

You don't need to make your home or business look like Sing-Sing or Supermax but it's a good idea to be ready.
 
While he didn't have a phone he could have used the car horn to alert neighbors as he was exiting the car
 
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