Bullet Bob
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A bit of boost for the .40 S&W
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.40 or any large pistol caliber is capable of putting down some serious devestation.
I agree with Lonestar. And these are not kids. They are 17-year-old males. Any State I have ever been 17 is always tried as an adult. I hope those other 2 get locked up for what they did as being part of a crime that ended in in a very expensive animal being put down and the public's lives placed in danger.
I agree with Lonestar. And these are not kids. They are 17-year-old males. Any State I have ever been 17 is always tried as an adult. I hope those other 2 get locked up for what they did as being part of a crime that ended in in a very expensive animal being put down and the public's lives placed in danger.
spiroxlii
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GLOOB does make a good point. Even if the 17 year olds were being rather stupid and should bear some responsibility for the situation they provoked, the zoo also bears the responsibility to prevent the possibility of contact between zoo visitors and the animals on exhibit.
Even if the people are stupid.
Even if the people are stupid.
Lonestar,
How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?
Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.
We all in other parts of the country theorize that the animal lovers at the zoo lied to the police when they said the calls regarding animal attacks were from deranged people giving them time to try to tranqualize the tiger. WHICH is what they are said to having been attempting to do when the Police arrived according to 2 articles I saw.
MAYBE if the liberal animal lovers at the zoo had been rendering first aid and building making sure their facility met standards for zoos they would not have had a death and injuries.
Frankly I KNOW women at my workplace who volunteer at the local zoo and work with a tiger. They are have an obsession with animals, animal rights and an almost sexual fascination with certain animals at the zoo they work with!
How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?
Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.
We all in other parts of the country theorize that the animal lovers at the zoo lied to the police when they said the calls regarding animal attacks were from deranged people giving them time to try to tranqualize the tiger. WHICH is what they are said to having been attempting to do when the Police arrived according to 2 articles I saw.
MAYBE if the liberal animal lovers at the zoo had been rendering first aid and building making sure their facility met standards for zoos they would not have had a death and injuries.
Frankly I KNOW women at my workplace who volunteer at the local zoo and work with a tiger. They are have an obsession with animals, animal rights and an almost sexual fascination with certain animals at the zoo they work with!
Lonestar49
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Last Bite on this thread..
Quote: Lonestar,
1. How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?
2. Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.
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1. that's illogical, (not Practical) as, if they were, rabid animal righters, there to release the Tiger, why not release all the Tigers from the same enclosure, not just the one.. ?
1./b. does it seem logical to release, a Tiger, let alone, all the Tigers, from the one enclosure, loose in the streets of San Francisco?
2. "diatribe" means "bite/biting" or "abusive denunciation"..
2/b. I agree with ya here, in that, the Tiger did "bite" those that showed "abusive denunciation" at, and towards, the Tiger..
All due to "Cause" (the actions of the 3) and "Effect" (of a pissed-off/angry Tiger)
Again, IF, Only, they had run out of gas before arriving there, at the Zoo, none of this would have happened..
Theroized-"fact" (that day) IMHO.
But it did show the effectiveness of the 40 caliber round, sadly.
Ls
Quote: Lonestar,
1. How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?
2. Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.
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1. that's illogical, (not Practical) as, if they were, rabid animal righters, there to release the Tiger, why not release all the Tigers from the same enclosure, not just the one.. ?
1./b. does it seem logical to release, a Tiger, let alone, all the Tigers, from the one enclosure, loose in the streets of San Francisco?
2. "diatribe" means "bite/biting" or "abusive denunciation"..
2/b. I agree with ya here, in that, the Tiger did "bite" those that showed "abusive denunciation" at, and towards, the Tiger..
All due to "Cause" (the actions of the 3) and "Effect" (of a pissed-off/angry Tiger)
Again, IF, Only, they had run out of gas before arriving there, at the Zoo, none of this would have happened..
Theroized-"fact" (that day) IMHO.
But it did show the effectiveness of the 40 caliber round, sadly.
Ls
"Tuesday, January 1, 2008
Was Tatiana the tiger attacked with slingshots?
A news report today adds further support for the theory that the San Francisco Zoo tiger who attacked three men on Christmas Day was responding to intense provocation.
Citing an unnamed source, today's New York Post reports that the injured men were armed with slingshots and had an empty vodka bottle in their car. This would support the theory that the men were engaging in a drunken display of masculine bravado when the 350-pound Siberian tiger leapt across a moat and attacked them. (See my post of Dec. 29.)
Speculation is rife about the circumstances of the mauling that left a 17-year-old boy dead. Neither police nor the surviving brothers, Kulbir and Amritpal Dhaliwal, are talking, and no other witnesses have come forward."
http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2008/01/was-tatiana-tiger-attacked-with.html
I've been a regular zoo goer since the early 60's(SF Zoo).
Everybody with a brain knows the cats can get out of the grottos. They haven't in 50 years, and done any damage. Why? Being well fed, and well taken care of, the cats are content.
Now, three morons are going to change what has been a wonderful place for my 50 some years. This clearly defines what's wrong with our Tort system. The zoo has worked for over 50 years, and the grottos in particular, for the cats. Sure, some have jumped out, but, given the chance, they jumped back in, or, off the top of the walls, where they can't really do much harm.
Due to the idiocy of three punk kids, the SF zoo is going to spend a few million making the grottos 'idiot proof'. this comes at the expense of the zoo guests, who will now have high fences and screens to look through, instead of being able to look clearly at cats 15-20 feet away.
I'd like to file a class action law suit on the part of the zoo guests, for the amount of the damages the zoo will suffer, thanks to the idiots actions. Also, damages for the cost of the tiger, and, the grief many of us feel for it's demise.
The family should not profit from the illegal actions of the son.
Was Tatiana the tiger attacked with slingshots?
A news report today adds further support for the theory that the San Francisco Zoo tiger who attacked three men on Christmas Day was responding to intense provocation.
Citing an unnamed source, today's New York Post reports that the injured men were armed with slingshots and had an empty vodka bottle in their car. This would support the theory that the men were engaging in a drunken display of masculine bravado when the 350-pound Siberian tiger leapt across a moat and attacked them. (See my post of Dec. 29.)
Speculation is rife about the circumstances of the mauling that left a 17-year-old boy dead. Neither police nor the surviving brothers, Kulbir and Amritpal Dhaliwal, are talking, and no other witnesses have come forward."
http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2008/01/was-tatiana-tiger-attacked-with.html
I've been a regular zoo goer since the early 60's(SF Zoo).
Everybody with a brain knows the cats can get out of the grottos. They haven't in 50 years, and done any damage. Why? Being well fed, and well taken care of, the cats are content.
Now, three morons are going to change what has been a wonderful place for my 50 some years. This clearly defines what's wrong with our Tort system. The zoo has worked for over 50 years, and the grottos in particular, for the cats. Sure, some have jumped out, but, given the chance, they jumped back in, or, off the top of the walls, where they can't really do much harm.
Due to the idiocy of three punk kids, the SF zoo is going to spend a few million making the grottos 'idiot proof'. this comes at the expense of the zoo guests, who will now have high fences and screens to look through, instead of being able to look clearly at cats 15-20 feet away.
I'd like to file a class action law suit on the part of the zoo guests, for the amount of the damages the zoo will suffer, thanks to the idiots actions. Also, damages for the cost of the tiger, and, the grief many of us feel for it's demise.
The family should not profit from the illegal actions of the son.
tnieto2004
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The actions or those young men did not merit death.. No matter how you twist it.. It is a sick thing to "wish" death on three young men that may or may not have been doing something illegal..
And YES, IF they did taunt the tiger (Everyone seems to believe the media in this situation, which I find rare on THR) then they should have been punished ..
Actually it's the report of evidence. A shoe in the grotto, pine cones that could only have been thrown in, since no trees are around...
Couple years ago, around on Memorial Day, my girlfriend and I were walking on Ocean Beach, after visiting the Zoo. We were witness to many, drunk folks from inland, driving cars.
We also were 'inspected' by an off lead pit bull, owned by some Spanish speaking folks from San Jose as well, complete with gang tatoos...
People do stupid stuff around the holidays, and I'm pretty sure these adults were more of the same. By the way, for Tort purposes, they are adults...
I wonder why we have such a hard time valuing animal life over humans? Indians do it all the time, when a buffalo or elephant goes crazy, they save the animal, despite it's killing people.
Same in Africa. How many residents equal the value of one black Rhino?
I guess it maybe spieces guilt. We've destroyed so many animals with over-population, and idiocy, I hope the animals survive, and the loss of a siberian tiger is huge, compared to the number of folks coming in to the United States, illegally...
As for cats having tempers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPgUNu7-fU
Couple years ago, around on Memorial Day, my girlfriend and I were walking on Ocean Beach, after visiting the Zoo. We were witness to many, drunk folks from inland, driving cars.
We also were 'inspected' by an off lead pit bull, owned by some Spanish speaking folks from San Jose as well, complete with gang tatoos...
People do stupid stuff around the holidays, and I'm pretty sure these adults were more of the same. By the way, for Tort purposes, they are adults...
I wonder why we have such a hard time valuing animal life over humans? Indians do it all the time, when a buffalo or elephant goes crazy, they save the animal, despite it's killing people.
Same in Africa. How many residents equal the value of one black Rhino?
I guess it maybe spieces guilt. We've destroyed so many animals with over-population, and idiocy, I hope the animals survive, and the loss of a siberian tiger is huge, compared to the number of folks coming in to the United States, illegally...
As for cats having tempers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPgUNu7-fU
Autolycus
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They should charge them as kids. Either they are adults or kids, if they are adults then they should be given all the priveledges of being an adult. The right to drive, vote, enlist, purchase firearms, purchase alcohol, purchase tobacco, and other things.
Criminal and tort law have different ages, and different standards.
While they might be charged with criminal trespass, or some sort of animal abuse, or, criminal endangerment, since their actions provoked a tiger, getting it out of it's home, the first time in nearly 60 years this has happened, and someone has been attacked, whatever, IIRC, one is 23, and the other survivor is 19. They are adults criminal or tort. Charge em, and throw away the key.
http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2007/12/happy-new-year-san-francisco-zoo.html
While they might be charged with criminal trespass, or some sort of animal abuse, or, criminal endangerment, since their actions provoked a tiger, getting it out of it's home, the first time in nearly 60 years this has happened, and someone has been attacked, whatever, IIRC, one is 23, and the other survivor is 19. They are adults criminal or tort. Charge em, and throw away the key.
http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2007/12/happy-new-year-san-francisco-zoo.html
Warlokke
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Well guys, I am old, cynical, and believe every adult is fully responsible for themselves, so to me, at first blush, this appears to be a case of old Mr. Darwin saying, "You three, out of the gene pool...."
Or maybe they were just "stuck on stupid"?
But it makes me glad that I carry a .40 or .45.....not for tigers but for stupid folks like the tiger attacked...and don't waste your time telling me how callous I am - I know and embrace it.
If the evidence changes that the 3 guys were innocent babes in the concrete woods then I will rethink my thoughts....but I don't think it will change. Some people just don't need to breed....
Or maybe they were just "stuck on stupid"?
But it makes me glad that I carry a .40 or .45.....not for tigers but for stupid folks like the tiger attacked...and don't waste your time telling me how callous I am - I know and embrace it.
If the evidence changes that the 3 guys were innocent babes in the concrete woods then I will rethink my thoughts....but I don't think it will change. Some people just don't need to breed....
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