I'm looking for a ccw gun. I like everything about the Glock, especially the G19, except the sharp grip angle. I really do not like the way it feels in my hand. I love my Eclipse II but its too nice, I need a beater for ccw. I need a rugged gun that I don't mind beating up. Reliable. Polymer. High capacity. Good for ccw. What should I get guys?
A gun similar to a glock but without the sharp grip angle?
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S&W M&P compact
Apparently you're like myself-I never warmed up to Glocks due to the grip angle.
And this really outta PO the Glock folks (they'll be along shortly
)-when I bought my first polymer pistol many years ago, I picked the Sigma over the Glock!
My main CCW is an XDSC9 (with Pearce Grip Extender)-I hate a dangling pinky.
XDs in the flavor of your choice are probably one to put on your short list?
And this really outta PO the Glock folks (they'll be along shortly
)-when I bought my first polymer pistol many years ago, I picked the Sigma over the Glock!My main CCW is an XDSC9 (with Pearce Grip Extender)-I hate a dangling pinky.
XDs in the flavor of your choice are probably one to put on your short list?
Even as a GLOCK fan, I think the G19 angle goes too far.
I grew up on the 21SF, and the G19 is much steeper to me. There are definitely varying degrees to the GLOCK grip angle. You might wanna try a G26, if you like GLOCK. It's a bit different from the G19.
There's also the M&P, Sigma, Ruger SR9C, FNP-9, Taurus Millenium. There's tons of other polymer pistols. Oh yeah. There's a pistol called the XD that some people seem to like.
I grew up on the 21SF, and the G19 is much steeper to me. There are definitely varying degrees to the GLOCK grip angle. You might wanna try a G26, if you like GLOCK. It's a bit different from the G19.
There's also the M&P, Sigma, Ruger SR9C, FNP-9, Taurus Millenium. There's tons of other polymer pistols. Oh yeah. There's a pistol called the XD that some people seem to like.
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Sunray
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"...I need a beater for ccw..." No you don't. You need a reliable handgun you can shoot well.
AWorthyOpponent
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I think what he meant is that he wants something that is plain and simple for CCW. For example, not many people would CCW their most expensive gun. To me, my Glock is a "beater". I can scratch it, scuff it, and not care about the holster wear on the slide because this "beater" doesn't get shown off, and I don't plan on selling it anytime soon...
leadcounsel
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Uh - get over it and learn to use the tool.
I'm not entirely kidding...
There are some great substitutes as mentioned above. But the reality is that if you were, for instance, a Soldier, you'd just adapt to the angle of the M4 or M9...
The Glock is a phenominal handgun. Learn to use it and you'll have no issues.
I'm not entirely kidding...
There are some great substitutes as mentioned above. But the reality is that if you were, for instance, a Soldier, you'd just adapt to the angle of the M4 or M9...
The Glock is a phenominal handgun. Learn to use it and you'll have no issues.
I think there is truth in that. We all have preferences, but a preference shouldn't mean we can't shoot a certain platform just as well as any other. I think we are all at times guilty of placing blame on something else for our own shortcomings. To say that the Glock grip angle (or any other attribute any firearm may have) prevents you from shooting it well is the same as saying you are unable to adapt and learn how to shoot it well, which is a personal failing, not an issue with the platform.
But that is all really beside the point in this context because there are other platforms out there that provide pretty much the same things a Glock does but have different ergonomics that might be more appealing to particular shooters. So why make the learning curve steeper if it can be avoided?
But that is all really beside the point in this context because there are other platforms out there that provide pretty much the same things a Glock does but have different ergonomics that might be more appealing to particular shooters. So why make the learning curve steeper if it can be avoided?
The Lone Haranguer
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You can become accustomed to the grip angle if you work with it enough. However, there are alternatives, my favorite being the S&W M&P.
rimfireriot
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Really your choices are the M&P and the XD. You should go with the M&P, it sounds like ergos are important to you (maybe your deciding factor) and those adjustable backstraps go a long way to improving ergos.
You might also look at the Walther P99, or PPS. People who have them say they are the most comfortable guns they own, but they might not fit your wants for capacity.
You might also look at the Walther P99, or PPS. People who have them say they are the most comfortable guns they own, but they might not fit your wants for capacity.
Bones11b
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Have you tried the Steyer A1?
wanderinwalker
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As a Glock fan, it pains me to write this, but....
Have you held a S&W M&P? The ones I see at the range seem to shoot well and work as reliably as my Glocks. They also have a much nicer grip IMO, smaller in circumference and angled like a 1911 (another design I love to shoot).
The Ruger SR-9s also seem to be fairly decent pistols. Never have been able to warm up to the XD, and to be fair, I have fired a friend's XD-9.
Of course, with respect to the Glock grip angle, to paraphrase a rifle coach I once heard, "You're hanging on to a piece of metal that explodes in front of your face, what's so &*(!ng natural about it?" (His point was adapt and overcome, shooting is NOT a natural thing.)
Have you held a S&W M&P? The ones I see at the range seem to shoot well and work as reliably as my Glocks. They also have a much nicer grip IMO, smaller in circumference and angled like a 1911 (another design I love to shoot).
The Ruger SR-9s also seem to be fairly decent pistols. Never have been able to warm up to the XD, and to be fair, I have fired a friend's XD-9.
Of course, with respect to the Glock grip angle, to paraphrase a rifle coach I once heard, "You're hanging on to a piece of metal that explodes in front of your face, what's so &*(!ng natural about it?"
(His point was adapt and overcome, shooting is NOT a natural thing.)Airman193SOS
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I can't think of a weapon that comes closer to your requirements than the Springfield XD.
dbshabo
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Another vote for the M&P here. I have the 9c and 45c for carry duty. I like the XD as well but the M&P's are made by Americans, I always buy American when the quality is equal to the import. S&W's customer service is second to none in my opinion. Quality American company that should be supported by all of us.
Shabo
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Can you adapt to the Glock angle-I see no reason why not?
Should you have to adapt to the Glock angle-I see no reason why you should!
Gotta confess I never shot a Glock-never got past picking 'em up in the showroom as they don't point naturally for me. I see no reason why I couldn't shoot a Glock as well as anything else-it may not feel like my other guns, but I'm going to put the sights on the target no matter what the grip is like.
If Glock was the only game in town (some folks haven't realized it's not) I'd have to suck it up and live with the grip angle, but there are other equal/better firearms out there, often at lower prices, so...?
Hell-when I bought my first polymer pistol waaaaay back (you know, when some of those who now love 'em used to hate 'em) I compared the Glock to the Sigma and walked outta the store with the Sigma!
EDIT: You've been given a couple of good choices with the M&P and XD-you might want to decide if the grip safety is important to you or not-it might be the tie-breaker?
Does S&W still have rebates on the M&P?
Should you have to adapt to the Glock angle-I see no reason why you should!
Gotta confess I never shot a Glock-never got past picking 'em up in the showroom as they don't point naturally for me. I see no reason why I couldn't shoot a Glock as well as anything else-it may not feel like my other guns, but I'm going to put the sights on the target no matter what the grip is like.
If Glock was the only game in town (some folks haven't realized it's not) I'd have to suck it up and live with the grip angle, but there are other equal/better firearms out there, often at lower prices, so...?
Hell-when I bought my first polymer pistol waaaaay back (you know, when some of those who now love 'em used to hate 'em) I compared the Glock to the Sigma and walked outta the store with the Sigma!
EDIT: You've been given a couple of good choices with the M&P and XD-you might want to decide if the grip safety is important to you or not-it might be the tie-breaker?
Does S&W still have rebates on the M&P?
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YUP
JTQ
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The Glock guys are going to howl about this, but you can't get any more similar than the S&W Sigma or the new SD 9/40. It is very comfortable in the hand.
beeenbag
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Im sorry but anyone that tries to compare a sigma to a glock of = size and caliber, and says they take a sigma is out of their ever loving mind. How could you possibly choose a rip off of glock with a 10 lb heavier trigger pull, over the company that sued smith and wesson for copying them? dunno, im just feelin some glock hatin......dont be hatin.....dont do it.
I have to agree with basicblur's initial statement ... if you're not being issued a weapon, as a soldier, LEO, etc., why should you have to adapt if you have choices? I was issued a Beretta M9 in the Army and eventually adapted and enjoy shooting my 92FS today, but it took me quite a while to adapt.
Why spend all that time adapting to something that isn't a good fit for your hand? Is the Glock so superior to anything else on the market that one should put one's self through such an adaptation period? I think not.
My uncle, who I shoot with quite a bit, is a Glock fan and I have shot every single one of his Glocks. They simply do not fit my hand well. I could spend 1000's of rounds adapting but why when I can put at XD in my hand and it fits right out of the case?
I'm not hatin' Glocks. I'm just questioning the wisdom of having to adapt rather than having a weapon that is a good fit for your hand shape and size.
Why spend all that time adapting to something that isn't a good fit for your hand? Is the Glock so superior to anything else on the market that one should put one's self through such an adaptation period? I think not.
My uncle, who I shoot with quite a bit, is a Glock fan and I have shot every single one of his Glocks. They simply do not fit my hand well. I could spend 1000's of rounds adapting but why when I can put at XD in my hand and it fits right out of the case?
I'm not hatin' Glocks. I'm just questioning the wisdom of having to adapt rather than having a weapon that is a good fit for your hand shape and size.
They're always the last to see...
Read your second sentence first, then your first…now tell me who’s hating?
AFA the suits, that’s between Glock and S&W-doesn’t concern me, and made no difference in my choice.
Did a lot of research on the Glock and Sigma before I bought-sure did have to wade through a lot of “ripped off Glock” threads before finding once you get past the Sigma haters (for RIPPING OFF Glock), I didn’t see a lot of difference. Never saw any torture tests for the Sigma, but since I don’t torture my guns it didn’t concern me.
So far, no FTF/FTE with my Sigma, it goes BOOM every time I pull the trigger, and the rounds are on target-how much better could a Glock be?
AFA the trigger, I liked the heavier weight pull of the Sigma since neither gun has any safeties. ‘Course, I grew up on DA revolvers, not video games-I don’t want/need a 3 oz. trigger like a lot of noobs seem to desire.
My main CCW these days is an XDSC-one reason I prefer it over the Glock (grip angle aside) is the inclusion of the grip safety-just an extra little measure of safety when reholstering etc.
I know…“we don’t need no stinkin’ safeties”!
Just for grins & giggles, Google “Glock Leg”…
Well I’ve been called worse…and they haven’t taken me away yet!
Read your second sentence first, then your first…now tell me who’s hating?
AFA the suits, that’s between Glock and S&W-doesn’t concern me, and made no difference in my choice.
Did a lot of research on the Glock and Sigma before I bought-sure did have to wade through a lot of “ripped off Glock” threads before finding once you get past the Sigma haters (for RIPPING OFF Glock), I didn’t see a lot of difference. Never saw any torture tests for the Sigma, but since I don’t torture my guns it didn’t concern me.
So far, no FTF/FTE with my Sigma, it goes BOOM every time I pull the trigger, and the rounds are on target-how much better could a Glock be?
AFA the trigger, I liked the heavier weight pull of the Sigma since neither gun has any safeties. ‘Course, I grew up on DA revolvers, not video games-I don’t want/need a 3 oz. trigger like a lot of noobs seem to desire.
My main CCW these days is an XDSC-one reason I prefer it over the Glock (grip angle aside) is the inclusion of the grip safety-just an extra little measure of safety when reholstering etc.
I know…“we don’t need no stinkin’ safeties”!
Just for grins & giggles, Google “Glock Leg”…
I wouldn't compare a Sigma to a Glock either. I would however consider the M&P over the Glock. the design is very similar but the ergonomics are much better in my opinion. The grip angle is better, the grip is more contoured and thinner at the top than the Glock, and it is adjustable to suit your hand. WHile you can just get a Glock and spend weeks on the range trying to make it fit you so you can shoot it well the fact is if it doesn't fit your hand you will never shoot it as well as a weapon that does. Personally I haven't found another hand gun that I can shoot as well or as easily as a M&P. And the Glock guys cry every time I say this but I've met several Glock guys on the range and when they shot my M&P they thought they shot better with it too. Their groups seemed to reflect that too. BUT that isn't the case for everyone. I'm just saying, get out and handle the weapons. Close your eyes then raise them to eye level in a relaxed shooting stance. Open and eyes and see were your sights are. If they are high or low the weapon isn't going to point as well for you.
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