A List of all manufactures with DA/SA Pistols currently in Production

[MedWheeler]

ATLDave writes:

Whereas DA/SA guns get easier to shoot. So the striker fired gun is easier than a DA/SA on the first shot, and then harder on all subsequent shots (precisely because it never gets the SA pull).

My experience with SF-guns is extremely limited, so bear with me, but I'm not getting this. If the trigger pull remains essentially consistent, how are shots subsequent to the first "harder"?

DEIT:

Oh, wait: I think I get what you're saying. You're comparing, for example, shot #2 of the striker-fired to shot #2 of the (now-precocked) hammer-fired, right?

 

[WVsig]

In 2015 alone the US Manufactured 3.6 Million pistols. The entire DOD is not expected to buy more than 500,000 pistols over the life of the multi-year contract. I think it's safe to say the US commercial pistol market is many times the size of the military market. Factoring the the LEO and other agencies market would still likely result in the US commercial market having at least a 10x advantage.

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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...tates-annual-statistical-update-2017/download

Maybe you should look again at that I wrote.

Really look at Sig and Beretta the King and Queen of the DA/SA platform are both moving towards striker fired tactical plastic. LEO and Govt contracts drive the market because of economy of scale. The last DA/SA gun to win a big contract was the Sig SP2022 and that was in 2002. Striker fired DAO guns dominate the US LEO market. I hate to say it but the commercial market in the US does not drive the market. It is the secondary market vs large scale Govt and LEO contracts. We benefit from it in many ways but it also can kill platforms.

Look at the list and compare it to how many people offer DAO striker fired guns.....

I said that the LEO & Govt contracts drive the market because the are the foundation for the economy of scale built into the market. I did not say they make up the bulk of the pistols sales in the country. They are however contracts which create minimum production levels that make overall production cheaper. Also if you add in LEO sales to the mix a huge chunk of that 3.6 million pistols will be striker fired Glocks, Sig & S&Ws. Nothing you linked to refutes what I stated.

Also 3.6 million produced does not mean 3.6 million sold. The commercial market right now is soft and the gun manufacturers are suffering from over production in 2017 and early 2018.

Look at the SP2022 there is a reason Sig can sell them for $400-$500 depending on configuration the French contract granted them economy of scale and paid for the R&D. Either way it does not matter. Striker fired guns made of plastic are dominating the market. To believe otherwise is being willfully ignorant.

 

[WVsig]

LA County Sheriff's doubled accidental discharges when they switched from Beretta's to M&P's.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html

Seems like a training issue to me. They were trained to run the Beretta with their finger on the trigger as they approached, searched and pursued. The officers are having trouble not because of the lighter trigger but because they are running the gun wrong. They have training scars and as a result are running around with their finger on the bang switch. That is poor training. If they were properly deploying the gun with their finger on the trigger guard would these ND be happening?

 

[Kaybee]

Interesting. I limited the list is for current imports but Still good to know.

Tanfoglio still makes decocker models -- part of their Law Enforcement series of weapons (and probably the guns used in the EAA EZ series.) These models aren't being actively imported to the US, but some may show up from time to time.

Here's a link to the Tanfoglio site and to the Law Enforcement group of weapons, some of which have decockers and some which have safeties: http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/law-enforcement/force-serie.html

 

[stchman]

LA County Sheriff's doubled accidental discharges when they switched from Beretta's to M&P's.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html

L.A. County sheriff's deputies learning to shoot the Beretta were taught to rest a finger on the trigger as soon as they took aim. The mantra was "on target, on trigger."

You NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot. Whatever person started that training should have been fired.

 

[SharpDog]

Maybe you should look again at that I wrote.



I said that the LEO & Govt contracts drive the market because the are the foundation for the economy of scale built into the market. I did not say they make up the bulk of the pistols sales in the country. They are however contracts which create minimum production levels that make overall production cheaper. Also if you add in LEO sales to the mix a huge chunk of that 3.6 million pistols will be striker fired Glocks, Sig & S&Ws. Nothing you linked to refutes what I stated.

Also 3.6 million produced does not mean 3.6 million sold. The commercial market right now is soft and the gun manufacturers are suffering from over production in 2017 and early 2018.

Look at the SP2022 there is a reason Sig can sell them for $400-$500 depending on configuration the French contract granted them economy of scale and paid for the R&D. Either way it does not matter. Striker fired guns made of plastic are dominating the market. To believe otherwise is being willfully ignorant.

And so you're inserting your own theories with zero facts to back them up.

That was 3.6 MILLION commercial pistol sales in one year. I think we can safely say there will be about 16 MILLION commercial pistol sales in the last five years.

I wasn't saying anything about striker vs. hammer or semi vs revolver for that matter. I was just stating the fact that while DOD may buy 100K pistols per year (did you see that it was a multi-year contract ?), civilians buy many, many, many, many ... more times that and each of those is at a higher price than those under contract. Go check out the prices that the DoD and other agencies pay and tell me you would rather buy at the best street prices you can find. Go back and read what I posted. You can think what you want about the gov't setting fads but IMHO the shot show and magazine / youtube, etc are MUCH more important.

If the Military / LEO market was all that important then why are so many revolvers still sold. They should have gone the way of the DoDo when the 1911 was adopted ? Maybe there will be no more black pistols because the DoD is buying FDE ? Hold on, I need to sell all my Glock stock since the DoD ordered Sigs ... Of course S&W went out of business decades ago and Ruger simply doesn't exist

Marketing, marketing, Marketing ...

Remember the .44 magnum shortage ?

PS. Do you believe the great firearms and ammo shortage of 2013 or so ? Do you think the DoD and other agencies suddenly bought all the guns & ammo or that it was fueled by fears of what 2A restrictions might be enacted by the gov't ?

Here is an interesting article on US firearms manufacturing in response to that:

There was so much paranoia that many ammo makers felt compelled to look into it and then publish explanations. Also, the National Rifle Association (NRA) investigated and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for gun, ammo, and related businesses, looked into the reasons for the shortages. They all came to the conclusion that consumer demand—fueled by record high gun sales—was behind the shortages.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankm...-fueled-a-manufacturing-revival/#40db5058667b

 

[9mmepiphany]

I think we're well beyond the scope of the OP...time to put this thread to bed