A modern 9mm levergun, yes you read this correctly

[21H40]

I feel like they should outsource their aesthetic design to Hi-point. It would be an improvement.

I would love to see someone - maybe Savage? - do a modern take on the Savage 99. That's a lever gun we need. Heck, I bet you could make one that used AR magazines to fit the tactical crowd's desires too.

 

[mcb]

This thread is a great example of why the firearms industry advances so painfully slow. A huge segment of the market is utterly resistant to anything new. If it's not a lever action designed before 1900 most of the poster in this threads turn their nose up to it. Look at how long it took the Glock and its derivatives to be accepted and even still decades after the Glock was introduced there is still a large segment of the firearms owners that turn up their nose to a plastic gun despite their proven performance.

From looking at the manual I like the design in general and just hope they left enough flexibility in the design to allow other pistol cartridges to be adapted. The barrel mounts with a barrel nut so I have little doubt it could be converted to other cartridges with the same OAL as 9mm the question is how much longer and fatter than 9mm will the receiver allow?

 

[CraigC]

I'm going to judge based on merit, not my preconceived notions of what a levergun 'should' be. I like the concept and it's better looking than other attempts at a "tactical" levergun. I like the fact that they not only used a detachable box magazine but they it's a subgun mag instead of a pistol mag. The box mag also precludes any issues with taper crimped cartridges in a tube mag, along with a big increase in capacity. I like that it comes with "same plane" rails and peep sights. I like the Magpul SGA stock, M-lok forend and forward rails. This type of rifle needs side mounted "tactical" type sling and they accommodate that. IMHO, for anything like this to have any utility, you have to be able to mount a light to it. I see a lot of merit in such a configuration. However for me, it needs to chamber something more potent than 9mm. At the very least, 10mm. Better still would be the .45WinMag, .44Automag, 10mmMag, on up to .350Legend and .450Bushmaster.

I love traditional leverguns and have 20 of them. However, they don't ALL have to be walnut and blued steel. I don't pigeon hole them that way.

 

[CraigC]

This thread is a great example of why the firearms industry advances so painfully slow. A huge segment of the market is utterly resistant to anything new. If it's not a lever action designed before 1900 most of the poster in this threads turn their nose up to it. Look at how long it took the Glock and its derivatives to be accepted and even still decades after the Glock was introduced there is still a large segment of the firearms owners that turn up their nose to a plastic gun despite their proven performance.

From looking at the manual I like the design in general and just hope they left enough flexibility in the design to allow other pistol cartridges to be adapted. The barrel mounts with a barrel nut so I have little doubt it could be converted to other cartridges with the same OAL as 9mm the question is how much longer and fatter than 9mm will the receiver allow?

I agree. People seem to think an open mind will allow their brain to fall out. It's aggravating that anything new is instantly met with thoughtless resistance.

 

[R.W.Dale]

For me just being a manual repeating 9mm is enough to get me excited.

For whatever reason a combination all of firearms makers stubbornly refuse to offer.

let’s be really really real. It’s a fun gun. Something 95% of our collective rifles here on THR are for if we were to be honest with ourselves. And that’s perfectly ok. Once I stopped self rationalizing everything I purchased through the lens of “I could hunt this in this situation “ I started having more fun shooting

 

[hoardingthemanual]

Eh, it's kinda cool. Some people say that the new cartridges and firearms are worthless because they are rehashes of the past. Wait until those people learn that their favorite songs are composed from the same notes in existence since God created music. Those people are stubborn and delusional- acting as if you could freeze time! Among people such as that, I like the saying "If you don't belong, don't be long." Let them shout at the sun, happy as clams.

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

The concept is intriguing, but talk about being hit with an ugly stick! It also seems to feature more threaded fasteners than a KelTech -- I hope it comes with a bottle of Loctite.

 

[CraigC]

Also worthy of note, it's under 6lbs. I wonder if the AR type mag release isn't an indication of future expansion of the line.

 

[Choctaw]

I don't need a tactical 9mm lever gun with a sticker price of $2,000.

 

[BreechFace]

I don't need a tactical 9mm lever gun with a sticker price of $2,000.

Agreed, for a 9mm and the price this isn't going to get much play unless street price is half what MSRP is. Even then in 9mm it doesn't do anything for me at $1k, either.

 

[Bfh_auto]

I gotta put in this reminder for the folks that don't remember it.



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I'll give it this. It is better looking than the brickwurks. But I can't get over the weird angles everything has. It looks like Nintendo level graphics brought to life in 2023.

 

[wesmonster]

If that was a pump. It would be better.

Agreed. I'm seeing more tactical lever guns as a reaction to semi auto bans, but to me a pump action is a better 'tactical' option. I'd much prefer a pump in 9mm. People in California were buying pump action ARs.

But no one makes a firearm I'd pay $2k for. And if I lived where this was my only firearm option, I'd sooner spend $2k on a U-Haul and move across the state line.

 

[jmorris]

As they say in the car business, “ There is a butt for every seat.”

I wouldn’t own one but I am glad those of you that would, have the ability to.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

Negative for me. Leave the levers as they are. No need to give certain parties a reason to rally against levers for any reason.
Besides, it's fugly.

They already have their sights set on banning oever guns. Every year Feinstein submits a new AWB bill, and for awhile now some lever and bolt action rifles are on it

 

[Ethan Verity]

If this was designed for restricted markets, the fact that it is magazine fed defeats that since most states with an AR-15 ban also have magazine limit bans as well. You would have this awkward abomination, and still just be limited to 10 shots. If it were tube fed I bet they could have still packed 20 rounds into it, and also bypass such capacity restrictions.

 

[Roverguy]

Well, innovation is good. But that is unnecessarily ugly, unbearably expensive for what it is, and chambered in an oddly chosen and underwhelming cartridge.

Do it again with a little more aesthetic flare and something like 10mm Auto or 350 Legend, at half the price, and progress will have been made.

 

[br549arkie]

For me that thing as far as a lever gun is the definition of fugly and $2000.00???

 

[Odd Job]

The price is an issue, otherwise that gun could do well in the UK. There is precious little in the way of a 9mm firearm that can be had by us poor saps in the UK.
Back in the days when I was interested in shooting cow bones in gel with 9mm rounds, that gun would have been of interest. But if it is $2000, you can bet by the time it gets to the end user here in the UK, he will have spent £2500 on it!

 

[rabid wombat]

Grizzly Custom took over that. I’m unsure if they are still making them though. The only ones in the catalog were 45 ACP and 10mm. They may have had some problems with the shorter length of the 9mm.

Great lead - thank you! Sadly, it looks like Grizzly discontinued the 45 and 10mm. It looks like they continue keeping most of the modification in line with the ‘wood and blue’ attitude expressed in this thread. They also will go tactical if that is what you want.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/
https://www.grizzlycustom.com/shop/

 

[MAKster]

Lever action with a detachable magazine is not new. Browning and Henry currently make them. Winchester made one in 1895. But this thing is a fail on so many levels. Quad rail, heavy barrel, muzzle break, proprietary magazine, exposed screws on the receiver, the steep angle of the grip, and $1900!

 

[herrwalther]

Horrendous is not a strong enough word for that.

 

[JB111]

This thread is a great example of why the firearms industry advances so painfully slow. A huge segment of the market is utterly resistant to anything new. If it's not a lever action designed before 1900 most of the poster in this threads turn their nose up to it. Look at how long it took the Glock and its derivatives to be accepted and even still decades after the Glock was introduced there is still a large segment of the firearms owners that turn up their nose to a plastic gun despite their proven performance.

From looking at the manual I like the design in general and just hope they left enough flexibility in the design to allow other pistol cartridges to be adapted. The barrel mounts with a barrel nut so I have little doubt it could be converted to other cartridges with the same OAL as 9mm the question is how much longer and fatter than 9mm will the receiver allow?

Sometimes people just like what they like. It isn't wrong, but they should not criticize others for their tastes either. I for one, welcome new ideas, I brought several box fed semi shotguns when everyone online were calling them garbage. I'm still happy with those purchases today. I just don't see this gun going anywhere at 2 grand. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure it fills some niche but at the price it's at, it's a hard sell. A Henry chambered in 357 or 44 magnum is cheaper than this gun and offers a bigger bang. And it is to expensive to fall into cheap plinker territory. IMHO the niche it falls into is the impulse buyer and the guy/gal who has to be the first/only person around them with something.

 

[Tinman357]

Not my cup of tea. But...... If you live in an area where semi automatic rifles/carbines are doomed to be banned and eventually confiscated (west coast), then a lever action is a solid choice.

I believe that is why lever actions and revolvers have been flying off the shelves. Manufacturers are putting out new/upgrades models. And the prices have surged in the last few years.

Not a bad "plan b" until all these unconstitutional laws get beat down through the courts over the next 10-15-20 years.

A good lever action and revolver has been used for about 150 years to put food on the table, repel the leigons of evil, protecting self and families, and quelling the fears of "what if" in the minds of countless Americans over many decades of uncertainty.

Simple mechanical operations, easy to use, durable, can be reloaded between shots, no magazine to lose, easy to maintain. They were even affordable for most people for decades. Remember the flood of inexpensive police trade ins back in the late 80's? Even as late as 2004, I picked up a minty Marlin .357CB for 180.00 out the door. Not a bad deal, even then.

As all around good as modern sporting rifles? No. But they do still serve a viable purpose. As erratically as the political winds are spinning lately, a lever action is a smart move.

Get them tuned for reliability and easy reloading and chances are that it'll stay that way for the rest of your life.

 

[3Crows]

Well, I guess the only good thing I can say is that it does have a lever .

Why 9mm?

Long live the lever gun. But maybe not so much that particular one.

 

[DMW1116]

I wouldn't pay the MSRP, but I like it. A pump in a variety of options would be nice too.