A powerful description of a fascist state.

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Although I'm nothing even close to being a secular humanist, I found an article by Dr. Lawrence Britt to be very thought provoking. A reprint of the article can be found here.


According to Dr. Britt, there are 14 defining characteristics of a fascist regime:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism.
Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security.
Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Sound familiar?


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10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

Well that does it. I guess Nazi Germany wasn't a fascist state. They were after all the National Socialist Germany WORKERS Party.
 
boofus said:
Well that does it. I guess Nazi Germany wasn't a fascist state. They were after all the National Socialist Germany WORKERS Party.

Lots of guys with guitars call themselves musicians. The Nazis suppressed unions and organized labor pretty brutally.
 
I think the author might be a bit biased, "Laurence Britt’s novel, June, 2004, depicts a future America dominated by right-wing extremists.", suggests that his 14-points might help market his book, which is simply an iteration of his personal opinions.

Not saying fascism isn't bad, and scary, but this particular author seems to have other motives, and might be using the opportunity to paint people he doesn't like as fascists.

For instance, I don't have all the answers, but I do know better than to try and link abortions and fascism. For one thing, it's a very controversial issue. For another thing, Fascist states DO perform abortions, so right there one of his arguments is outright false.
 
If viewed with an unbiased opinion. I see only#6,#9 and #13 compareable to our current government. However one must consider the opinionated source.
 
PCGS65 said:
If viewed with an unbiased opinion. I see only#6,#9 and #13 compareable to our current government. However one must consider the opinionated source.

Really? Here's how I see it:


1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
If you're not with us, you're a traitor, a terrorist, you deserve to be spied on and imprisoned.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
Like being arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt at a political rally. Like being swept up, shipped off to Gitmo, and held incommunicado without ever being charged with a crime

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
It's the "evildoers", stupid!

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.

I believe our military budget has increased a tad, wouldn't you say?

5. Rampant sexism.
This is the only one I don't have anything for. Yet.

6. A controlled mass media.
We're agreed on this one.

7. Obsession with national security.
Except for our borders. Wiretaps, unconstitutional searches (for library records, of all things!) military actions, all in the name of "national security".

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
You don't recall Bush and Co. using religion and morality as a party platform?

9. Power of corporations protected.
Again, we agree.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
We don't need to protect American workers when we can get all the labor we need from Mexico and India, right?

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

Arts funding has been severely cut. College grants and loan programs have been severely cut. "No Child Left Behind" has been left behind...

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Please refer back to numbers two and seven, if you will.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Yet again, we agree!

14. Fraudulent elections.

I live in Florida. I was here during the 2000 selection process. I know what happened. Despite what Cheney says, the votes were NEVER counted, and our President was selected by the Supremes. Even after that, our elections procedures have been turned over to companies with more than a minor stake in who gets elected. Not only that, but we're knowingly using vote counting systems that can be hacked by anyone with a passing acquaintance with programming. Using Wordpad, no less.

I think I see more than three parallels with a fascist state...
 
Fascist states also seem to have a need for endless enemies. Either exaggerate the threat posed by enemies, or go out and make enemies. Endless enemies help keep the subject populace (ie, the voters) in a state of perpetual fear, and willing to give up their freedoms in the name of security.

Have you read The State vs. The People: The Emergence of the American Police State? Written by Claire Wolfe and Aaron Zelman and published in January 2001. They intelligently discuss the trends in the US towards a police state. They are especially harsh on the Clinton administration, probably because it was fresh on their minds. The depressing part is that the overall tendency towards a police state has continued apace under the Bush administration.
 
ceetee said:
Really? Here's how I see it:


1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
If you're not with us, you're a traitor, a terrorist, you deserve to be spied on and imprisoned. Who said this?

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
Like being arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt at a political rally. Like being swept up, shipped off to Gitmo, and held incommunicado without ever being charged with a crime
I believe war combatants can be held without being charged and if you will being the enemy is a crime.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
It's the "evildoers", stupid!
No need for name calling. The moderators will lock this one too.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.

I believe our military budget has increased a tad, wouldn't you say?
Actually the military budget has been cut.

5. Rampant sexism.
This is the only one I don't have anything for. Yet.
I thought you would mention slick willie.

6. A controlled mass media.
We're agreed on this one.

7. Obsession with national security.
Except for our borders. Wiretaps, unconstitutional searches (for library records, of all things!) military actions, all in the name of "national security".
I wouldn't call this an obsession. I will do more than this to protect my home/family.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
You don't recall Bush and Co. using religion and morality as a party platform?
How is a leader with religous beliefs fascist? This is what I mean by we must consider the source "Dr.Britt"

9. Power of corporations protected.
Again, we agree.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
We don't need to protect American workers when we can get all the labor we need from Mexico and India, right?
Our labor unions have not been crushed. Re-read #10

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

Arts funding has been severely cut. College grants and loan programs have been severely cut. "No Child Left Behind" has been left behind...
I thought these programs were increased for "minorities"?

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Please refer back to numbers two and seven, if you will.
OK this one I'll give you.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Yet again, we agree!

14. Fraudulent elections.

I live in Florida. I was here during the 2000 selection process. I know what happened. Despite what Cheney says, the votes were NEVER counted, and our President was selected by the Supremes. Even after that, our elections procedures have been turned over to companies with more than a minor stake in who gets elected. Not only that, but we're knowingly using vote counting systems that can be hacked by anyone with a passing acquaintance with programming. Using Wordpad, no less.

I think I see more than three parallels with a fascist state...
Just because it didn't turn out the way you or the Democrats like it was "fixed". You know If Gore would have won his home state florida wouldn't be an issue. What does that say when he can't win his home state!!
 
ceetee I forgot, I think we have a socialist government more than a fascist government.
 
Yawn. Hardly a "powerful description of a fascist state."
So Ceetee, you want us to draw parallels between Britt's points in his article and what's going on today in our country? Oh well, around here, I'm sure you'll hook some takers.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
If you're not with us, you're a traitor, a terrorist, you deserve to be spied on and imprisoned.
You need to get out of this country and travel a bit, maybe spend some time in a real fascist country.
 
Al Gore did win his home state

He took DC in a landslide as I remember it.

Saying that Al Gore is from Tennessee is likely to get you into a fist fight faster than grabbin' for the last piece of cornbread at the same time your brother does....
 
Saying that Al Gore is from Tennessee is likely to get you into a fist fight faster than grabbin' for the last piece of cornbread at the same time your brother does....
SpiderJohn with all due respect, is he or isn't he?
 
I can't believe this tired meme is still hanging around.

Reading this, it seems that this Britt guy, whoever he is, decided to declare America a fascist state first and then retro-fit some superficial characteristics.

I especially like the "rampant cronyism and corruption"--by that definition, Canada must be a fascist state. Or for that matter, *any* country that has a government.

And "spied on and imprisoned", which I guess explains why Babs Streisand and Alec Baldwin are now hard at work sawing down trees on a labor camp in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

This whole thing is about as insightful as a horoscope.
 
How about liberals that like to cry about "fascist states" all the while supporting fascist liberals who remove of our human right to keep and bear arms? They do this under the guise of public safety and feel good so they can stick it to bushchimphitler.

If you think there is any country left in the world that has it better than those of us in this country I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you for a good price. If you can find a system and government that is better go there.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
If you're not with us, you're a traitor, a terrorist, you deserve to be spied on and imprisoned.

There is nothing wrong with expression of nationalism and a unified country. Those that oppose this do not like the strength that our countryman can muster when challenged by UN socialists that seek to destroy our republic for their own greed. The world is a better place because there is a constitutional republic called the United States of America.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
Like being arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt at a political rally. Like being swept up, shipped off to Gitmo, and held incommunicado without ever being charged with a crime

If the United States is said to have a disdain for human rights than the rest of the world that are supported and enabled by Europe and socialists should be considered satan incarnate.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
It's the "evildoers", stupid!

Our country has many enemies. There are always enemies of freedom. Some chose to name call because it's the only thing they can do.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
I believe our military budget has increased a tad, wouldn't you say?

It has always been the position of those on the far left to loathe our military. The liberals have never seen taxpayers money they don't want burned yet they complain about military spending in time of war.

5. Rampant sexism.
This is the only one I don't have anything for. Yet.

That's because there isn't a good one. The crybabies are always touting their stats that women make less in the workplace, but there is fallacy in their arguements. If women were the same as men and worked the same for less than do you think companies would hire men? It seems they could save a heck of a lot if they hired people that work for less.

6. A controlled mass media.
We're agreed on this one.

It's definately liberally biased.

7. Obsession with national security.
Except for our borders. Wiretaps, unconstitutional searches (for library records, of all things!) military actions, all in the name of "national security".

It was never an issue when Clinton was in office. Why is that? I think this is another attempt from the anti-bushchimphitler playbook.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
You don't recall Bush and Co. using religion and morality as a party platform?

When the country is made up of a majority of religious people there shouldn't be any representatives that are religious? Our country is based on judeo christianity all of a sudden we can't have any religion? That's nonsense.

9. Power of corporations protected.
Again, we agree.

The power of business is the power of our country. That's what makes it go round. Do you work? Did you win the lottery and you don't work?
Anyhow that tax payer money was produced by businesses and corporations.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
We don't need to protect American workers when we can get all the labor we need from Mexico and India, right?

If it wasn't for the fat cats in labor unions companies wouldn't have to out source to keep costs in check. They've obviously hurt themselves and the American worker because they've over extended their pay and benefits.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
Arts funding has been severely cut. College grants and loan programs have been severely cut. "No Child Left Behind" has been left behind...

Art is not necessary in life and if you want it fine create it yourself. There is no reason to fund any art. Not on the taxpayers dime. It's pretty but there are more important issues. Art is a luxury.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Please refer back to numbers two and seven, if you will.

Liberals love the criminals. They wouldn't get voted for without them.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Yet again, we agree!

Yes there are corrupt people in this world.

14. Fraudulent elections.
I live in Florida. I was here during the 2000 selection process. I know what happened. Despite what Cheney says, the votes were NEVER counted, and our President was selected by the Supremes. Even after that, our elections procedures have been turned over to companies with more than a minor stake in who gets elected. Not only that, but we're knowingly using vote counting systems that can be hacked by anyone with a passing acquaintance with programming. Using Wordpad, no less.

I think I see more than three parallels with a fascist state...


Another lame attempt at creating a story where none exist. It is a settled matter but it is obvious that you and yours can't let it go. Give it a rest because our president won fair and square.
 
I dont think the article is a serious discussion of fascism per se, but an attempt to apply the fascist label to the republican administration based on socio-political characteristics that liberals find offensive. I think your treatise is greatly weakened by the narrow scope of the term "fascist" but I will be generous and assume you are talking about any totalitarian autocracy in the nazi/italian fascist mould.

You get 3 out of 14 right. The rest are either entirely unassociated with or unnecessary to the practice of fascism.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
Yeah, this is essential. One of the defining characteristics of fascism is deference to the will of the nation state. Nationalism is a key tool in gaining compliance to the wishes of the state.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
It goes without saying that an autocracy does not value the indvidual, but the State, so individual human rights are non-existant in such a society.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
This isnt really tied to fascist regimes so much as it has been tied to every government since the dawn of civilization. Groups of people generally unite against enemies, whether real or imagined. But this doesnt make them fascists.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
Not necessarily. There have been many avidly militaristic societies that were not fascist. You can have highly militarized and free societies. Look at america, sparta, switzerland.

5. Rampant sexism.
Completely unfounded. The "german people" or the "aryan race" etc was always glorified in a gender neutral fashion. Excluding women from the military doesnt count as rampant sexism.

6. A controlled mass media.
Yes definitely. Fascism requires mass media and the state control thereof.

7. Obsession with national security.
BS again. Non-fascist regimes have obsessed about security since the dawn of civilization.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
Not necessarily. I would imagine religion would not be allowed to oppose the regime, but facsism doesnt require the support of religion unless the people require it as a stamp of approval. The nazis adopted a thin veneer of christian mythology as propaganda, but they were pretty brutal towards pretty much any religious institution that opposed them even slightly. Definitely not a partnership or a "tying together" as you claim.

9. Power of corporations protected.

Entirely unrelated. Corporations can be controlled by the state or can be entirely independent. Insofar as a particular corporation (like say a machine gun factory) is necessary to some aim of the state, it will obviously be protected. The will of the state is supreme in fascism.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.

The power of anyone not serving the State is eliminted. Labor isnt special.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.

Not true. Intellectuals and the arts were supported as far as they aided aims of the state. German intellectuals designed weapons for the reich and german artists generated enormous volumes of propaganda. Dissenting or disfavored intellectuals and artists were dealt with harshly, as you would expect in a fascist regime.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Die in a fire. This is something nearly every society has been obsessed with since the Babylonians invented the concept.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Welcome to human nature. This isnt a sign of encroaching fascism.

14. Fraudulent elections.
Fascist governments dont have elections. The one election that the nazis did sit through was actually fair.
 
By the way webster says fascism is, a political philosophy,movement,or regime that exhalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader,severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
by Nathanael_Greene, Reading this, it seems that this Britt guy, whoever he is, decided to declare America a fascist state first and then retro-fit some superficial characteristics.
+1 that's how most of them do it. Them someone bites on it and says "look our government is this" I say BS.
 
is he or isn't he

Well the mainstream press says he is. Those of us here say no. He grew up in DC while his father was in Congress. I think he spent a few weeks each summer here with his cousins or such.
 
SpiderJohn said:
Well the mainstream press says he is. Those of us here say no. He grew up in DC while his father was in Congress. I think he spent a few weeks each summer here with his cousins or such.
SpiderJohn I don't blame you. If he were from Illinois I wouldn't admit it either. ;) Have a good one.
 
Similar lists were the subject of coffee shop and head shop discussions during the Vietnam War. Yep, everyone was convinced we lived in a genuine fascist state. Matter of fact, as I looked at today's list it looks mighty close to the one I used in college.
 
So some leftist wants to call Bush Hitler and claim we're a fascist state because we haven't banned Christianity and started teaching kindergardners the technical details of gay sex :rolleyes:


Okay, lets run down the list.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
This notion that being proud of your country is some sort of sin is the product of leftism and post-modernism. Sticking a "United We Stand" bumper sticker on your car or flying your flag on 9/12/01 isn't the same thing as shouting Sieg Heil at a Nazi rally.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
If our nation and our culture truly held human rights in disdain we wouldn't be having this argument ... seems to me its the left with the worse record on human rights (murder of the infirm and the inconvenient unborn, suppression of non progressives on college campuses, not recognizing self defense and property as human rights).

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
Interesting ... that looks to me like the entire point of Mr. Britt's little list :scrutiny:

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
If you think American culture is overly militaristic than you don't know what you're talking about. Americans are WAY too individualistic.

5. Rampant sexism.
Nice red herring ... just because angry feminists and progressives claim sexism is rampant in America doesn't make it so (of course the sexist attitudes of gender feminists apparently doesn't count).

6. A controlled mass media.
The left in this country likes to think because Fox News and Rush Limbaugh exist that the entire media is controlled by the right :rolleyes:
I think the case could be made that mass media is at its least "controlled" state in the history of mass media.

7. Obsession with national security.
Name for me one political system that isn't obsessed with national security ... for better or worse, that is one of the central reasons for existence of any government.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
Clearly Mr. Britt would like to outlaw participation of people with any religious beliefs in our political system ... how very unfascist of him :rolleyes:
In addition, GW is a United Methodist ... its clear that his own church doesn't back his political positions most of the time (the United Methodist church is pretty left of center). I don't see GW setting up an official cabinet position called "Bishop of the District of Columbia" or "Secretary of Godliness" or some such nonsense.

9. Power of corporations protected.
In leftist speak this means that corporations are allowed to exist.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
More sour grapes because workers in this country have been choosing to abandon organized labor (and by extension the DNC) for decades (mostly because it has become so corrupt that it doesn't help the workers anymore)

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
If Mr. Britt is an example of "intellectual" than anyone with more than 4 braincells should hold him in disdain. In addition he doesn't take into account the disdain that intellectuals and those in the arts have for the common man.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Again, name for me one system of government where crime and punishment isn't a major preoccupation. Its one of the other things that governments of all types exist for.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Yeah, because we know there was no cronyism or corruption in any of "The People's States". Cronyism and corruption will exist (and likely be rampant) in ANY form of government from minarchist libertarian states to iron fisted dictatorships.

14. Fraudulent elections.
Oh please. More whining about the 2000 election :rolleyes: Larry, for God's sake let it go. The recounts came back and at best they are inconclusive, at worse you lost.


So this was a fun polemic (especially if you hate Bush, and/or Republicans and/or Christians), but its not really all that useful as a tool of serious discourse.



For fun, here's another list of things that describe Fascists:

they eat meat
they wear pants
they listen to music with brass instruments in it
they poo
they own dogs
some of them are named Ralph
some had unhappy childhoods
some had happy childhoods
some drive blue cars


So anyone who appears to meet any of those criteria is also a Fascist?


In reality Fascism is not so difficult to describe, its nothing more than a political/economic system where the means of production are privately owned but completely controlled by the state (thus creating the illusion of capitalism) and where the populace is regimented and controlled via a strong police/military.

Yes there are similarities between America (past and present) and Fascism, but there are many key differences as well ... to try to focus on the similarities only without pointing out the key differences (or to pretend that America isn't what it really is so that it looks more Fascist) flies in the face of the definition of "What is Secular Humanism" given on the linked page.
 
Wonderful another thread to have us arguing amongst ourselves. Divide and conquer well why try something new when the old ways still work best.
 
Well, strictly speaking the Nazis were quite anti-christian. They were trying to revive some pagan germanic traditions.

"Christianity is a religion of the weak. I preach to the strong." Hitler

In fact, some of the more vocal catholic priests were shipped to concentration camps. So, the point about religion is not really valid.

I can see some sexism in the opposition to abortion, but would not follow that line of thought because it will press some people's buttons and accomplish little.
 
According to Dr. Britt, there are 14 defining characteristics of a fascist regime:


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1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.




Sound familiar?

My guess would be Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Am I close?
 
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