A "what if" for you CCW guys and gals

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What if you are out with another shooter whose skills are well above your own and you both become aware of "problem" developing that may require you to defend yourself/selves. Do you "give" the pistol to the better shooter or do you keep it? This of course assumes that the transfer could be done safely and without increasing the danger to yourselves. Why or why not do it? What is your biggest factor in making your choice?
 
First: Start leaving now.
Second: Why would you and a much better shooter be out with only one gun? Better shooter wouldn't leave home without his.
Third. I doubt that we would be talking about "giving." Better shooter would be taking.
 
I would be likely to keep my firearm. Even if the other person is a "better shooter", he doesn't drill with MY handgun. I know where it puts the bullets, what its manual of arms is, etc.

Just as an example, someone who has never shot a P-3AT before will probably not shoot it well, regardless of how well he does with a 1911. Trigger and sight picture are just way different.

Maybe, just maybe, if the other person drilled with my pistol regularly, or used the same kind of pistol, I would pass it off to him.

But I doubt it. My handgun is my responsibility.
 
As Dave says ...
My handgun is my responsibility.
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I also would not be thinking of any time-wasting moves in a situation that required instant action - which is what I am considering here.

Plus as has been said - this ''expert shot'' with you - well, if he ain't carrying then something is odd - very odd! :)
 
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May be better but if it is only he & I, then he should have his. :banghead: I carry 24/7. I may die in a gun fight. 55 & way slower afoot than I used to be. Hands still in good shape though. Rather loose than surrender & then die every time I close my eyes. I will live or die by MY best effort & then I have no one to blame. Really would be stupid to give him mine & then the BG or BG's get him first. :uhoh: Now I am in a heap O trouble. I have thought of this because my son is military & one fine pistol shot. He trains Air Forse EST teams on tactical entry. When we are together I carry a BUG that I would throw him if trouble comes then worry about legalities latter. W/ his training I cant get him to get a permit. :fire: Burns me up. His wife is an anti & he says it will happen some day. Well if HE don't get my primary then no one eles is either. They that love liberty more than life die only once. They that fear death more than oppression die every time they close their eyes. Me.
 
The only way I am handing (actually pushing with my foot or feet) over my pistol to another shooter is because I am incapacitated from being able to shoot and my hands and arms have failed me.

If you are tht uncertain about your own shooting skill so as to even consider such a thing - practice more - get better.

Best regards,
Glenn B
 
Think of it this way too, it could be that the better shooter has set you up for whatever reason (wife who wants you dead and he is in cahoots with her, whatever). Now you just handed your gun to the unsuspected enemy. Far fetched, sure it is, just as far fetched as anyone being killed by their spouse's lover!
 
He may be a better shooter than me, but there's no one I trust more than me. I'll protect me and mine myself, Thank You very much.
Biker
 
Do you "give" the pistol to the better shooter or do you keep it?
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If you give it to him, you are assuming that he will protect you as well as you would protect yourself. Sorry, he may be a better shooter, but if he's not prepared to defend himself, then he's a liability.
 
I'll keep my pistol because I am responsible for my safety and no one else is. Another person MAY defend me -- I definitely will.
 
A lot of good those excellent shooting skills are going to do him without a gun. Maybe he was absent to day they taught the "have a gun" theory.
 
Nodak, great one- yeah if the guy was that much better and for some insane reason without his gun, i see a "take" happening. heheh
 
What skills are we talking about? It's one thing to be better at puttin' holes in paper and another thing entirely to engage in a gunfight. I've been on a "two-way range" and they're a bitch. Has the other shooter done the same? Just because you can't put holes as close together in paper as the other guy doesn't mean that he's gonna keep his cool when the situation gets hot. If the situation is so bad that I need to pass him a gun, we both shoulda seen it comin' and got the hell out, or, paraphrasing Clint Smith, "If I knew I was gonna get in a gunfight, I'd bring a rifle." Just my $.02 worth, YMMV, DDTAH, etc.
 
Amen! He's a better shooter on paper. Is he better under fire,maybe. Is he a better tactician, maybe. If it turns into a hostage situation is he going to throw down my gun when told to do so, to save the little girl hostage, leaving us both defenseless. There are any number of varibles that have NOTHING to do with accuracy that could get me killed! This is the way it is, my gun is my gun and the ONLY way I'm giving it up is if I'm incapacitated or dead. As long as I retain possession I control my destiny, once I give it up I might as well take off and beat feet.
 
What to do?

I 'spect if you got time for this to happen:

You to self: "Should I give my gun to John. Psst! John. Take my gun.
John: "Do what?"
You: "Take my gun John."
John: "Why?"
You: "Just take it."
BOTH: "OH CRAP!"

You got time to get out of Dodge in the first place.
 
I think in a situation that required immediate action, the range between you and the BG would probably be under, say, 15 feet. even if you did have the time and could safely pass your pistol to someone, you really should be able to reliably hit a target at that range... if you cant, train up or quit carrying ;)
 
I keep mine. If he was truely better, he'd have his own...

But for arguement's sake if he did not, I'd still keep mine unless the reason he's better is I've been wounded and am bleeding out. Then he will shortly not only be the better shooter, but the only one conscious. When I can't use it anymore, he can have it. Until that time - I'll use my weapon to defend us both.

Reason - self confidence.
 
Let him get his own gun.

There's so much more to consider than the basic ability to put holes in a target. When you hand him your gun you are taking full and seperate responsibility for his actions. You are staking the next twenty years of your life on his decision making abilities. If he doesn't have the presence of mind to be carrying, why would you trust his judgement to be better than yours?

If you are that unsure of your ability, you should not be carrying. I know the accuracy of the weapon I carry. I know it's ability and I know mine. I know how those abiilities combine. I know the range I can reasonably expect to hit my target with my gun. I know the range I am certain of hitting, the range I am likely to hit and the range that I should not be shooting. I appreciate the differences in ammunition and carry specific ammo for accuracy and stopping ability. I know these limits before I will carry a particular weapon.

I know the law in Pennsylvania regarding use-of-force justification. I know how to articulate the situation to the police after the shoot because I have already discussed it with the lawyer I will be calling before the police arrive. IMHO this is essential knowledge before you decide to carry.

Use your dun to defend yourself, let him defend himself with his own gun.
 
Obviously if he is out unarmed, then he doesn't deserve to get the gun... Your gun is there to defend YOURSELF!!! Why on earth would you even consider giving it up???

If he made the mistake of not being armed it's his ass not mine... I will protect him if I can but I make no guarantees...
 
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