Aaaarrrrrghhh I'm tired of Remington's poor QC

[Fishbed77]

There was a time when US Gun Manufacturers actually cared about their products and used skilled US labor to make those products. Those days are long gone unfortunately.

There are still some US gun companies that care about their products. Colt, for example is making some of the best pistols and rifles in their entire history these days. As mentioned earlier, the Winchester rifles currently being produced by FN in South Carolina are excellent.

It's just that those companies are so few and far between these days.

 

[mrbig381]

Quality control has suffered by many manufactures. I do have to give Remington's repair and customer service thumbs up. I sent back a model 7 for bolt repair. They gave me a new bolt and shipped it back to me no charge.

 

[HKGuns]

There are still some US gun companies that care about their products. Colt, for example is making some of the best pistols and rifles in their entire history these days. As mentioned earlier, the Winchester rifles currently being produced by FN in South Carolina are excellent.

It's just that those companies are so few and far between these days.

I won't say Colt doesn't make good products, but I will ask you when you last saw any real innovation from them......it isn't hard to crank out M16's, M4's and various AR's that are nearly identical to their Military offerings. How many polymer Colt designed pistols are on the market? How many revolvers are they producing? There is very little going on at Colt these days.......they are even losing Military contracts. American companies have gotten lazy, complacent and overly risk averse.

 

[Fishbed77]

I won't say Colt doesn't make good products, but I will ask you when you last saw any real innovation from them......it isn't hard to crank out M16's, M4's and various AR's that are nearly identical to their Military offerings.

Colt's innovation isn't coming in the form of new products (with the exception of some niche products like the LE901), but it is coming in the form of manufacturing technology. Their combination of new high-tech CNC milling with a skilled workforce and a higher degree of hand-fitting than most mass-production firearms companies seems to be paying dividends for them.

 

[B!ngo]

Colt's innovation isn't coming in the form of new products (with the exception of some niche products like the LE901), but it is coming in the form of manufacturing technology. Their combination of new high-tech CNC milling with a skilled workforce and a higher degree of hand-fitting than most mass-production firearms companies seems to be paying dividends for them.

It may be paying dividends for them, but that doesn't excite the customer. Even if it allows them to lower their price. Which they don't.
When I was searching for a .308 bolt rifle two years back, I surveyed the U.S. manufacturers and they all had questionable quality reputations and/or they were boring. I bought a Tikka Sporter and haven't looked back. I doubt I'd buy anything else but a Tikka in that price point in the future.
Now semi-custom long-range (read sniper style) rifles is another thing. New/young companies that are innovating all over the place here in the U.S. is inspiring. I hope to have the funds and be able to cost-justify the purchase of one some day just to see, hold and shoot some really innovative machines.
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[Fishbed77]

It may be paying dividends for them, but that doesn't excite the customer

...and yet Colt manages to sell every single pistol they make, and their carbines remain highly desirable.

Anyway, back to the topic of Remington.

 

[Kachok]

I have been saying for some years that Remington was going downhill, my first defect I chalked up to a fluke, I got my money back out of it so I was not griping, but then in 2009 I bought another 700 and this one was a total loss, then my brother wasted $700 on a brand new R1 which was the biggest POS 1911 I have ever seen, then my friend bought a 700SPS 308 that was almost as bad. Truth be told I would be surprised to see a new Remington that did not have some kind of defect, it has been some years since I have seen one work properly.

 

[Temp430]

I have no idea how that new bolt could be so dirty. It has never happened to me but could that be from a blown primer? Maybe on the proofing round?

I have a couple Rem 700s most recent was purchased in 2001. Both are excellent rifles. What kind of problems are you finding with new 700s? I'll be sure to look over carefully any new Remington I purchase.

 

[Uncle Mike]

It's happening to a lot of the U.S. manufacturers, with corporate downsizing and cutbacks and the somewhat disgruntle attitude of employees who have had salary and benefit reductions, what can be expected.

The European firearms manufacturers seem to be turning out better product nowdays.

Clean that rifle and shoot it, you never know, it may be a real performer.

 

[x_wrench]

It's the corporate way: buy up a company, drive the company into the ground while maximizing profit, dump company.

isn't that the sad truth. the old America is no more. it was sold out in colleges to the management students. they have been taught to maximize profits, no matter the cost. the old America was built by entrepreneurs & innovators. not corporations. they made damn well sure that quality was as good as possible, because their name was on the product. show me something with the persons name on it who made it, and i will buy it over corporate built products any time i can afford it. a family owned business will have three times as many quality checks as a big corporation. what the decline of America really is about, is the decline of the American FAMILY.

 

[BSA1]

On the other hand not cleaning the gun stops discussion threads about why they don't test fire their guns before they leave the factory,

 

[Kachok]

Well they did not test fire my 700 CDL 7mm Rem Mag before it left the factory, I know because it would not chamber a round AT ALL.

 

[JustinJ]

The last new DPMS .308 AR bolt I saw made the century arms monkeys look like high end craftsman. In addition to numerous and very rough tool marks, the bolt would bind when rotated inside the carrier. It was unable to eject a single round fired.

 

[HOOfan_1]

On the other hand not cleaning the gun stops discussion threads about why they don't test fire their guns before they leave the factory,

All the S&W M&Ps I have looked at were obviously not cleaned after test shots

 

[DRYHUMOR]

I think they seem to have minor issues, some more than others.

I look at older Remmies if I'm in the market, and, would by one sight unseen except for pics.

The newer ones just look cheap...........I'd have to look it over in person if I was considering a newer one.

M70s built in Portugal. I wouldn't have a problem with that, many Brownings are stamped Portugal.

I believe they (FN) are prob moving for a couple of reasons, labor and benefits are cheaper there. It also allows more square footage to be devoted to the LE and military weapons lines that FN manufactures.

Recently I wanted a 17 HMR. The Savage BSEV caught my eye. Looked at one in a big box store and noticed the crown was not cut squarely to the end of the barrel. There was also a pretty nice scratch that was a bit too deep to have worked out, going across the side of the muzzle face. I passed on it.............

 

[Davek1977]

A few years ago, a fellow dealer received a Henry Golden Boy fully loaded with ammo.

If it was a .22, he got LUCKY to have ammo included! Might have been the only 22 LR in the whole store!

 

[Uncle Mike]

If it was a .22, he got LUCKY to have ammo included! Might have been the only 22 LR in the whole store!

Ah-men brother...that's funny!
We have sold some 22lr for more than centerfire ammo...what is the world coming to?

 

[Kachok]

M70s built in Portugal. I wouldn't have a problem with that, many Brownings are stamped Portugal.

I believe they (FN) are prob moving for a couple of reasons, labor and benefits are cheaper there. It also allows more square footage to be devoted to the LE and military weapons lines that FN manufactures.

Last I checked Winchester builds the 70 in South Carolina. That is where mine is from. My Browning is from Japan for what it is worth, both are recent production rifles.

 

[MCMXI]

I have two M70 EWs made in the US but wouldn't have a problem if they were made in Portugal. Bergara barrels are made in Spain and the Europeans have a much longer history of making quality firearms compared to the US. Since when was the US the gold standard of manufacturing anyway?

As for Remington, the only reason I don't buy Remington rifles or pistols is that I prefer Winchester and Kimber for hunting rifles, Accuracy International for tactical rifles, POF for ARs and Ed Brown for 1911s. I don't have any major concerns regarding their current build quality and have shot a number of recent models with no issues and very good accuracy.

 

[HOOfan_1]

Last I checked Winchester builds the 70 in South Carolina. That is where mine is from. My Browning is from Japan for what it is worth, both are recent production rifles.

I linked a blog posting earlier, said that FN confirmed on their facebook page that the parts would be made in the US and shipped to Portugal for assembly. Kind of like the Hi-Powers are assembled in Portugal

 

[lovethosesooners]

I'll have to take up for Remington-I have a 20 yr old 1100, but also have 5 others I've bought new over the past 3 yrs

Of these, the only issue I had was I got one of the early production Versa Max shotguns-it had a crooked rail on it.

Returned it to Rem and they jumped through hoops to correct it-I have several other brands of shotguns and this one is my favorite-excellent shotgun

Have been totally satisfied with the 700CDL, 750, R25, and 870....enough so that the next rifle will be a 700 BDL

I have an FN product that's being shipped back for repair today-happens to every single mfr that makes guns....can understand a persons frustration by having issues with any mfrs product, but my experiences along with others that I know with recently purchased Rem product have been much different than what I just read-pretty certain that a very high % of peoples experiences are like mine rather than what's above -most happy custrs simply don't take the time to post about getting what they should expect, but those that have had bad experiences are anxious to vent....as many as Rem produces, a small % of bad product is still a bunch of guns and offers chance for many negative posts

 

[DRYHUMOR]

I linked a blog posting earlier, said that FN confirmed on their facebook page that the parts would be made in the US and shipped to Portugal for assembly. Kind of like the Hi-Powers are assembled in Portugal

Maybe the info I had was wrong, several months ago 2 different guys that work at FN in Columbia had told me they would be "made" in Portugal. I figured "made" meant the whole shebang....

 

[PJSprog]

Savage makes a good stick.

They sure do. I own two of their rimfires, both excellent shooters for not a lot of money. However, the last one I bought - a model 93G in .22WMR - had rust on the barrel where the serial number was stamped into it. It, too, was new-in-box, ordered through my small LGS.

Incidentally, the first one was a MarkII-G bought at WallyWorld back in the 90s, and was clean as a whistle.

 

[jogar80]

I have bought several new Remington bolt action rifles in the past couple of years. Been happy with every single one of them.

 

[CharlieDeltaJuliet]

While I have had great luck out of the newer Remington's , I have also seen a few duds. I don't think it is limited. I have seen issues from Kel-Tec, Beretta, and a couple others. It is the sad part of our nation and the crap hole it has became. Nobody takes pride in their jobs anymore.