Accidental discharge?

Accidental discharge?

  • yes, I have.

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Three ND's in over fifty years of shooting...

ND #1 - Rimfire tubular magazines can sometimes having a round stuck in them.
Outcome: Mom sure was disappointed about the hole in my closet door.

ND #2 - Always remove the magazine from an autoloading pistol before cycling the action to clear.
Outcome: Ringing ears and a .45 hole in the plaster wall.

ND #3 - Never assume one can safely decock a loaded hammer gun.
Outcome: Maple leaves rained down and a good 12ga. shell wasted.

All of 'em happened before I was 14.

Haven't had one in the 45 years since.

Musta been a slow learner.:rolleyes:
 
My friend blew the transmission out of his Dad's Grand Torino wagon many years ago. While hunting his Dad took the magazine out of his 30--06 and put it in the car - muzzle down. My friend all of 11 at the time hops into the passenger seat sees the mag in his dads hand and the bolt on the gun in the back position. Since he just finished his hunters education class and wants follow the teachers recommendations he wanted to alleviate pressure on the firing pin spring. So he reached over, flipped off the safety and pulled the trigger. Bang. A 180 grain pointed soft point right through the tranny.
 
I don't store my guns loaded, nor do I carry. I haven't had any problems and hope that this trend continues.
 
I don't store my guns loaded, nor do I carry. I haven't had any problems and hope that this trend continues.
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Most NDs I've heard of have been with "empty" guns or guns being used at the range, so you must be excercising good judgment in terms of safety. Keep that up and you'll see the trend continuing. Just don't rely on not carrying or keeping the weapons empty to do so.
 
Just to stir things up a bit :)

No NDs, but I have an AD every now and then (probably about 4 times a year). And there's nothing wrong with the gun in question (not always the same one).

Explanation : I shoot silhouettes. I borrow guns from a friend. He likes his triggers on the edge of legally light. The first shot very often goes off accidentally before I want it to (and before the hooter blows).

Normally it's a sighter and one can use it as such, even though it wouldn't count towards your score if it were not a sighter.

Anyway, just an different example of what an AD can mean :)
 
m21black...Would you discribe those two as AD's or ND's

Congrats on the two daughters (I really feel sorry for you). I have 4 sons and one daughter. All grown. I attribute my grey hair to my daughter. Now I have 4 grand daughters and two grand sons.
 
About 6 years ago I put a .40 hydrashock through my ceiling. I was SURE my gun was unloaded when I pulled the trigger. NDs happen to even the best safest shooters its a fact of life for anyone handling weapons day in and day out. All you can do is best as safe as you can, check, check, and re-check your weapon and hope if you ever have an ND your not muzzling your hand, leg, dog, new plasma TV, ect.
 
Worse AD I was around was when I was in the Army in Belfast.

Patrol came back in after a looooooong night patrol off the Falls Road. Patrol went to the clearance bays, basically individual concrete stalls with a catch trough. What is supposed to happen is you stand in the bay, make sure the weapon is still on safe, remove mag, manually rack the action several times, lock back the working parts, visually and physically inspect and then call to get it inspected and OK'ed.

What happened once, when I was OIC was a slam fire of 18 rounds of 7.62 out of one poor squaddies L1A1 as I was about to inspect and clear. Nobody hurt but I carry two little burn marks below my eye where a casing hit me.

Classic Murphys Law, all the things had to follow in the exact sequence.

The lads had been on back to back patrols for over 2 weeks and where absolutely shattered.
The miscreant had been cleaning his weapon directly before being called to patrol and had actually removed the firing pin.
In a hurry he assembled the weapon and got a small chunk of the cotton cleaning patch stuck at the hammer end of the firing pin.
He now had a fixed protruding firing pin
Goes on patrol, weapon cold, 20 round mag, NO round chambered as per SOP
Comes back in, goes to the clearance bay, doesn't drop the mag
Hauls the working parts back twice, doesn't hear the 2 rounds being ejected
The hold open doesn't catch, calls me,
Hand off the cocking handle, working parts slam forward, chambers a round and before it locks, the firing pin slams the round.
Worn parts in the trigger assembly as well

Instant uncontrolled fully automatic

Oooooooh the paperwork
 
I've had two ND in 25+ years of shooting. Yes, they were indeed negligent. Both oddly enough with the same single action .22 caliber revolver. Since that gun represents but 2.5% of my collection (Pop quiz: How many guns in my collection based on what I've just told you? :p) Both had the firearm pointed in a safe direction. I guess that's why there are 4 rules...so you can break one or two and still not cause too much damage.

Those of you who have had absolutely no safety violations with your guns and no ADs or NDs don't get too smug or you will just look silly if you ever do have a ND. Remember humans are fallible.*


*If you can walk on water, please disregard these last two sentences.
 
my ear is just recovering from a ND i witnessed this weekend. The jerk was drinking. He's lucky I didn't stuff the rifle down his throat and I'll never talk to him again.
 
AD/ND/turning into A French General

all *three* times :what: in process of putting saftey on or off on rifles.:eek:

began to suspect the French Generals that designed the Berthier/Lebel may have been on to something (no saftey).

r

thank God for remembering Rule 1
 
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I've had one. Firing an Anschutz .22 with about a 0 lb trigger, shifted it on it's rest and it went off. The round still went downrange, but I consider it an ND.
 
Haven't had one myself, been a bystander to a nasty one. A man who shall remain nameless got a new gun and went to the range. While there he shot the gun and allowed his son to shoot it. Upon their return home, he called me over and wanted to show it off. I asked how hard it was to break down, as its a question I always ask upon looking at a new gun and he attempted to show me. He was sitting indian style on the floor and this model is a striker fire, you have to pull the trigger during the dissassembly process...he pulls and puts a 9mm +P right through his calf and into the hardwood. Nasty wound, though luckily the bullet had little time to expand in his leg. Scared the hell out of me and I actually did the dive to the floor bit... He was very embarrassed and had a lot of explaining to do to friends and family about his carelessness
 
I havn't had my negligent/accidental discharge yet.
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Accidental: Mechanical problem with the handgun
Negligent: Problem with the "nut" that holds the trigger.

I do not believe everyone will have a negligent discharge. If you follow the basic safety rules of handling a firearm, you will not have one.
 
Standerson,

I do not believe everyone will have a negligent discharge. If you follow the basic safety rules of handling a firearm, you will not have one.

The first part of the comment is statistically likely, the second is extraordinarily improbable as a human is not a fault free machine.

Both Murphys Law as well a the Law of Unintended Consequences make it vanishingly unlikely that any individual will be fault free for a life time.

For example

The more frequently you use weapons, the better your "reflexes" etc will be with regard to good practice and the more comfortable you will be.

Unfortunately the flip side is "familiarity breeds contempt", "it's never happened to me, so it can't happen to me", statistically the probability of failure remains the same but the probability of occurance increase.

The less frequently you use weapons, the worse your reflexes will be with regard to good practice and the less comfortable you will be.

The flip side is that you tend to be more careful and meticulous so the probability of failure remains higher but the probability of occurance decreases.

At the end of the day, prepare for the worst and you'll never be disappointed
 
Revolvers

Back when I knew nothing about revolvers I had two bullets left to shoot out of a S&W J Frame Revolver. I was going to let a friend have the last two shots. I though it would be a good idea to pull the trigger to line up the bullets so the next trigger pull would fire.

I did not KNOW which way the cylinder revolved. The gun when off while I was in the middle of talking to my buddy. I was immediately in shock as I could not beleive that it went off. The gun was pointed downrage but the bullet bounced off the floor and hit the backstop.
 
I don't know if I did or not. A weird thing happened at the range the other day. No one else seemed shook up but it rattled the heck out of me.

I've been working on a couple points of technique in my trapshooting. I was probably working on too many things at once. This whole episode had that weird slow time one gets when working intensely on something, so I experienced it as mounting the gun, checking my mount, pointing the gun to the correct spot and looking for the bird. Finger off the trigger throughout.

Then I put my finger on the trigger and fired. Didn't call for the bird, didn't swing the gun up at all. Spattered the trap house with shot.

I sure fired the gun, but somehow I just did it so out order that I ended up placing the shot, um, very, very, very not in the right spot. Of course, it was pointed downrange and it was my turn and everyone was ready for me to fire. I was just thinking about too many things and let myself get tripped up. But boy, did that shot surprise me. Wasn't expecting that at all.
 
I had a really bad one back in the dark ages, in a far-away betrayed land called Rhodesia. In the late 1950's a friend and I retraced on horseback, with a packhorse to carry the junk, the old "pioneer trail". I thought I had trained my horse to accept gunfire and it stood well to fire from the saddle.

One morning at about 0600 we going around a maize field when I spotted a duiker (a small antelope) at close range. We needed meat and, not wanting to startle it by pulling my rifle out of the scabard, I drew my belt gun and shot at it. The horse went crazy - I still don't know why, maybe leopard scent.

There we were, horse bolting madly through the scrub and trees, me trying to stop the d**n thing with my left hand on the reins and my right hand holding a cocked and ready-to-fire 1908 Navy model Luger. This is where stupidity set in. I put both hands on the reins, pulled up the horse, the pistol fired and I felt a blow to my left thigh. I realised that one factor I could then well do without was a loaded pistol, so I threw it over my shoulder, hoping that wherever it landed it would not cause more problems.

The story ends with a "no fun" 17 mile ride to the nearest country store and 4 hours in the back of a truck to a hospital where the surgeon complemented me on placing the shot "so neatly between the femoral artery and the bone". Jokers like that I don't need!

Sorry if I have bored you guys, I seem to have got a bit carried away with this yarn. It happened, but I have never got to writing it down before.
 
Rhodesia
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i believe that us younger folks would call that Zimbabwe correct?

met a guy years back that had enlisted in the Rhodesian army after Vietnam.... couldnt adjust to normal society after the things he had to do in war so he became a merc...
 
Flintlock Tom: If you ever show up in Southwest Montana and are of drinking age...I owe you a beer as the first one to answer correctly!
 
voted yes

but thats also why I am very strict with myself and others about range discipline. I was on target using a relatively new weapon, kept weapon on target to activate safety switch and made the mistake of placing counter opposing appendage on trigger guard for necessary torque to activate said safety. Of course, it wasnt the trigger guard, itwas the trigger. .308 in the face will remind a lifelong, avid, active, shooter, that everyone should always practice range discipline and cycle snap caps in various conditions if possible before going out in the field/range.

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