ACLDN

[AUhiker]

I’m looking into the ccw “insurance” Incase I ever have to use my firearm for self defense. I understand it’s technically not insurance that’s what everyone refers to it as. I’ve about narrowed it down to the ACLDN as they offer what I like for a good price. My question is do you really need it? If you truly use your firearm for self defense as a last resort option can you expect to get hit with 200k in legal fees?

 

[GEM]

If you truly use your firearm for self defense as a last resort option can you expect to get hit with 200k in legal fees?

Here's the problem with your question. "Truly use" is determined by the legal processes, starting with decisions to arrest, charge and go to trial. Not having a lawyer involved is not a good idea. It's estimated that even what would seem like a righteous self-defense case and you involve an attorney, start at $5K.

An expert witness might run you $1k to $10K minimum on top of the lawyers.

The 'if it is a good shoot' mantra is common on the Internet. But the laws determine that. Yes, some folks have been immediately not charged, but later sued, etc. You need legal counsel from the get go.

 

[Kleanbore]

If you truly use your firearm for self defense as a last resort option can you expect to get hit with 200k in legal fees?

The determination of whether the use of force, deadly or otherwise, was lawfully justified will hinge on the law an on the facts indicated by what evidence can be gathered after the fact.

Someone else will decide whether the user of force was the innocent party, had a basis for reasonably believing that the threat was imminent, and used a reasonable amount of force, and no more, to defend himself.

One does not want to enter the process without qualified legal representation--and experience in defending "good guy self defense" cases is rare among attorneys.

 

[AUhiker]

So in other words if you use a firearm for self defense expect legal fees regardless and a good legal team is advised.

 

[Kleanbore]

So in other words if you use a firearm for self defense expect legal fees regardless and a good legal team is advised.

Or if you use a nine iron or a Louisville Slugger....

 

[GEM]

ACLDN provides a list of local, qualified attorneys for self-defense cases. Good to have one on retainer. That will cost something once but worth it. Note, you should read their journal for important SD nuances with legal opinions.

Marty and Gila are great people, btw.

The 'if it is a good shoot' qualifies as one of the dumbest reasons not to get a lawyer we've seen, with no offense. Ranks in there with 'drag them inside' and the like.

 

[crstrode]

Righteousness is not what determines your fate.
Lawyers do that.

 

[Kleanbore]

Righteousness is not what determines your fate.
Lawyers do that.

And evidence, detectives, witnesses--plus what you have written before the fact and afterward.

 

[crstrode]

And evidence, detectives, witnesses--plus what you have written before the fact and afterward.

Nope.

The charge is up to the Prosecutor. The prosecutor is a lawyer.
The verdict is up to the judge. The judge is a lawyer.
As I said, your fate is in the hands of Lawyers.

 

[Kleanbore]

The charge is up to the Prosecutor. The prosecutor is a lawyer.
The verdict is up to the judge. The judge is a lawyer.
As I said, your fate is in the hands of Lawyers.

The verdict is up to the jury, which will weigh the evidence.

 

[JN01]

Even a bad lawyer would end up costing you more than the $100 a year membership fee will.

 

[Craig_AR]

If you truly use your firearm for self defense as a last resort option can you expect to get hit with 200k in legal fees?

Yes.
Remember that even if you are not prosecuted for a crime, there is a high likelihood you will get sued by the miscreant or a family member. Did you notice that Rittenhouse is being sued by the dude who aimed a pistol at him whose arm he shot?

And yes, I have been with ACLDN since 2009.

 

[AUhiker]

Thanks for the info I’m goin to go ahead and join. Seems like a no brainer with how crazy the world is today.

 

[Old_Grouch]

You can be "Not Guilty" criminally and liable civilly. (Just ask OJ)