AD from a smart carry type holster

[jlbraun]

I can easily see how that Smartcarry knockoff could have cause the problem. Thin material doesn't protect the trigger from getting snagged. I have a real Smartcarry and when I first got it I tried mightily with an unloaded CZ P-01 in Condition Zero to manipulate the trigger through the material and couldn't do it.

With your holster, you were simply carrying Mexican style and didn't know it.

Another $30 spent would have saved you several thousands of dollars in medical bills.

 

[tipoc]

Well good to hear you are recovering well.

Part of the problem, as you've said, was the rig. The material allowed the gun to move around in the "holster" way too much and ,as you said, was too thin for what you were using it with.

The other problem was the decision to carry C&L deep cover with a rig that did not protect the safety from being swiped off. With that type holster movement causes the guns position to shift about and the chance the safety would be swiped off was high. When a person reaches for the gun in a hurry, jamming their hand beneath the tight waistband of their pants and groping for the grip, it's possible to accidentally touch the trigger or pull on it. With the safety swiped off it's likely an accident can occur. Had the safety been on the likelihood of snagging the hammer while drawing is also high.

Carrying C&L in a rig like this is not a choice I personally would make. Hammer down on a live round with a rig of this type seems to me safer.

I'm glad you posted this as matching a gun to carry options isn't always thought out as well as it seems you're likely to do next time.

For those unfamiliar with the gun here it is...

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg26-e.htm

It's actually a fairly large gun, lighter but a bit larger than a PPK.

tipoc

 

[camslam]

I have a real Smartcarry and when I first got it I tried mightily with an unloaded CZ P-01 in Condition Zero to manipulate the trigger through the material and couldn't do it.

I did the same thing when I got my Smartcarry. I carry a Glock 30 with one in the pipe and wanted to make sure that I wouldn't have that type of accident.

+1 on the thickness and quality being the issue. I absolutely love my Smartcarry, I don't ever give a second thought that the trigger is going to be pulled on my Glock, and I have been switching between the MTAC and Smartcarry for quite awhile now.

Both are excellent holsters for their designed purpose. The one thing I am extra careful with is when I am placing or removing the Smartcarry and I have learned to grip the whole gun through the Smartcarry as I remove or put it on for stability. I almost dropped it one time because I was trying to be careful and even though I'm sure the Glock wouldn't have fired, I would prefer to not be dropping my guns.

Get a genuine Smartcarry and I think it is a good way to go.

JMHO.

Good luck in the recovery. That story hurts mentally, emotionally, and for you I'm sure physically.

 

[jt1]

loneviking - Wow, Glad your ok, as the others have said, get the real thing, no mods needed, it works fine, mine does not position the muzzle into your package area, rather it goes over it...having said that I second the DAO carry mode for this configuration...

 

[Funderb]

glad to see you are okay, thats pretty awful.
but on the lighter side of things,
welcome to the league of peoples that are the da only ones professunal enuf to shoot a hole in something they didn't want to.

The worst happens to everyone that will admit that it has or their inherent disposition towards it!

 

[Harvster]

Glad you're all right and hopefully make a full recovery. Geez I sure wish the knot in my stomach would go away after reading this.

 

[loneviking]

Nice picture JT-1. A pair of small revolvers like that should be safe enough--but I just don't think I could ever carry there again!!

 

[Loomis]

yo, loneviking;

I will forever think of you as the man with the world's toughest $%^&*. Sheesh, point blank range no less!

Seriously though. you were amazingly lucky. And thanks for sharing with us your lesson learned the hard way, so that we don't have to learn it the way you did.

I think I'm going to start researching ankle holsters! An AD in the foot would be a walk in the park in comparisson.

 

[CountGlockula]

...I had three holes in my penis and a smashed left testicle...

My condolences buddy. Thanks for being brave in sharing the story!

 

[Rokyudai]

Loneviking,

I honestly had a tear build up in my left eye reading all that happened. Thanks for sharing this personal experience. Much respect and I will take your words into account at any chance a lesson can be taught, learned, and reinforced.


Rok

 

[Mark Evel]

Glad you're ok (okish, I guess).
Does your insurance cover the nurses', should I say, 'manipulation' of your wound?

HHM, HHHM, HHHHM?

Take care, man.

 

[loneviking]

Actually Mark, on the day I was discharged I did have a laugh at that. I had a very attractive middle aged nurse and a pretty nursing student both examining my---ahem---owie! They got to laughing too and said 'I bet you never thought you'd have two women inspecting you this closely, did you?'.

BTW, thanks to all for the wishes for a speedy recovery. I appreciate it and I know how very, very lucky I am.

 

[jimbob86]

"...I had three holes in my penis and a smashed left testicle... "

.....no powder burns?

 

[loneviking]

Oh yes, I had powder burns. Not serious, but definitely discolored and burned. I've had my injuries coated in triple antibiotic for the last week and those burns are mostly gone now.

 

[kingpin008]

Dude, forget Chuck Norris. Anyone who sustains four high-velocity holes to his Cash & Prizes and walks home to get himself medical attention is one tough S.O.B.

In all seriousness though, glad you came out of it as well as you did. The groin/upper thigh area is pretty vascular - you could have easily been killed, had the bullet taken a slightly different path. Luck smiles on us all, huh?

Hope your recovery continues to progress as well as it has so far!

 

[XDKingslayer]

Note to self:

Don't get cheap when buying things that hold loaded weapons in the vicinity of your weiner.

 

[The Bushmaster]

There is no such thing as an Accidental discharge (AD)...!!! There is, however, Neglegent discharges (ND)...Cause and effect ladies and gentlemen. Cause and effect (C&E)...

Example: I accidently left the valve open and it flooded the whole room. No! Reality. You screwed up and forgot to close the damned valve. Same thing with firearms. Some how you got the bugger hook or other items to engage the trigger and BANG...

 

[loneviking]

There is no such thing as an Accidental discharge (AD)...!!! There is, however, Neglegent discharges (ND)...Cause and effect ladies and gentlemen. Cause and effect (C&E)...

I strongly disagree. Negligence implies carelessness, a lack of attention to the details safe gun handling.

AD--is exactly that, an accident. Someone did everything right...they treated the gun as if it were loaded; they knew where the muzzle was pointed; they were sure of their target and backstop; they didn't touch the trigger until on target---and yet accidents can still happen. It might be a broken extractor bolt, it might be a faulty holster, but it's an accident not negligence.

 

[AK103K]

The whole AD vs ND thing is like worrying if its a mag or a clip. Who cares.

While it did happen (and no offense there loneviking, but better you than me. ), there was a lesson learned (I'm pretty sure there was anyway), and one to be learned if your paying attention. I'm sure we all are doing some double checking, Smart Carry or not.

Hey loneviking, just as a FYI, was there a name on that pouch/holster? Just in case somebody were to come across it at a gun show or on line.

 

[tipoc]

There are ADs and I think this was one.

It was a mistake, IMHO, to place a C&L gun into this type rig. Doing that poses it's own problems when the safety rubs off which it's about bound to do. But it was the thinness of the rig and it's construction and material, that caused the gun to discharge when loneviking bent down. There was no direct negligence.

Example: I accidently left the valve open and it flooded the whole room. No! Reality. You screwed up and forgot to close the damned valve.

That's not what happened here though. More like a fella changed the valve but unknowingly put in a faulty washer. He checked the operation. It worked but after he walks away it fails. You can say he never shoulda bought that brand washer or used it the way he did, well now he knows. But it was an accident and we all now know to avoid that brand washer.

tipoc

 

[orionengnr]

The problem with the real rig is the thickness. Don't you have to wear your pants one or two sizes larger to fit? The rig looks like wearing a diaper in reverse!

I have owned both the (black nylon) knock-offs and the (denim) real thing.

I found that the nylon one uses an elastic that quickly stretches out. While it may work fine with a P3AT or a 642, it will not reliably accomodate a heavier pistol (in my case, Glock 23 and Taurus 441).

The actual Smart Carry uses higher quality materials and will both protect your trigger better and maintain the position of the firearm better. (Note--a strategically placed safety pin will help with position issues. The instructions for the Smart Carry explain this--pm me if you like.)

The difference in thickness between the real thing and the knock-off is a non-issue, unless you wear spandex. If that is the case, the Smart Carry concept is not for you....and please don't post pictures

 

[skinewmexico]

Nice of everyone to show up after the barn burned down just to tell the OP he had a fire. Geez.

 

[the naked prophet]

I don't understand in what position you were wearing the SmartCarry knockoff (SCKO)? If I squat down or sit down, the gun lies along my leg, as if I had laid it on my lap. The muzzle is at about the same level as my genitals, and if it were to go off either while standing up or while squatting, it would completely miss my important bits.

It seems you were wearing it too high. I'm not blaming you, I'm just comparing your injuries with my SmartCarry. I would not carry in a SC if it ever pointed at my genitals - I can't contort myself so that it does, and the only way I can see that it might possibly is if you were wearing it very high and to the right, which seemed very uncomfortable when I was trying different positions.

Also, the SmartCarry website recommends using safety pins to modify the size of the holster area to prevent movement of the gun. It works quite well. That might have prevented the gun from moving so much and taking off the safety... that said, I do only carry a revolver in mine.

 

[Loomis]

Geeze bushmaster, you sure picked the wrong thread to make that tired old argument. 99% of the time you are absolutely right. But you may have walked right into that other 1% and made an * of yourself. Good job.

 

[Lonestar49]

One Pilot to another..

...

First, and foremost, glad you're OK..

Well, it's the little mistakes that can add-up quickly to the big mistake, and I know ya know this..

FWIW, I too had to choose a holster for my SA EMP 1911 SAO 9mm (9+1) for either left/cross draw/pocket concealment or heavy-cant cross draw IWB 11 o:clock position, either way, with warm temps, T-shirt hanging out, depending on what I'm wearing.

Works great and no problems with SAO locked and cocked for either position as I found for both comfort, good trigger guard, and fast-draw means, yet full protection from lent, being a closed-end holster IWB clip-on size 1 from *Uncle Mike's.. (lightweight and flexible) yet one's body or pocket, hold the gun in tight..

It also allows one to easily, quickly, move holster and gun, to any position that one finds necessary for comfort and concealment..

*Sometimes, less is more.. depending on the individual.

Continued safe flying and ccw'ing with a, "the_right", holster for the job.


My best,


Ls