I'm sorry, I may be completely misunderstanding your post but are you suggesting slashing is more effective than stabbing?
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I'm sorry, I may be completely misunderstanding your post but are you suggesting slashing is more effective than stabbing?
Sam Cade
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In defensive use of a knife, especially a small one, absolutely.
To wit:
A single tendon severing, metacarpal breaking slash to the back of an assailants hand is much more effective at rendering them instantly combat-ineffective than a single (though ultimately fatal) stab wound which relies on hypovolemic (and possibly psychological) shock to be effective.
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Here's the BG / gerber multi tool
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And the KaBar for defense
Remember, defense. Whether the attacker dies is besides the point: I want to be safe. Stabbing an attacker requires reaching them. Reaching them requires additional risk, when the ultimate goal is safe disengagement. Cutting limbs is much safer for you, the defender.
I mean, what I'm saying *is* obvious, right?
I mean, what I'm saying *is* obvious, right?
Joe Demko
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Yes, it is, and I agree.
rcmodel
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I agree completely too.
The full serated Spyderco Rescue below is a better SD knife then the bigger CRKT Tanto M16-14 above it.
Why?
The Spyderco was designed to cut through seatbelts, clothing, and anything else without fail in a life or death situation.
That means it will cut through coat sleeves, jean legs, and the motor & life support systems under them easily.
The downward sweep of the blade angle on the Spyderco makes a push or pull stroke a deeply cutting stroke.
It's hard to continue being a threat with an arm or leg just hanging by half the flesh still left on it while you are loosing blood pressure at a very rapid rate!
The CRKT Tanto was designed to impress someone, or punch holes in beer cans?
rc
The full serated Spyderco Rescue below is a better SD knife then the bigger CRKT Tanto M16-14 above it.
Why?
The Spyderco was designed to cut through seatbelts, clothing, and anything else without fail in a life or death situation.
That means it will cut through coat sleeves, jean legs, and the motor & life support systems under them easily.
The downward sweep of the blade angle on the Spyderco makes a push or pull stroke a deeply cutting stroke.
It's hard to continue being a threat with an arm or leg just hanging by half the flesh still left on it while you are loosing blood pressure at a very rapid rate!
The CRKT Tanto was designed to impress someone, or punch holes in beer cans?
rc
I was told a long time ago by a very old and experience individual " the best thing to take to a knife fight is someone else ", it was not until I witnessed my first bloodletting did I under stand what he meant. Just an observation, me, during such a confrontation, I plan on being somewhere as fast as I can get there
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.rcmodel
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That too.
There are never any clear winners in a knife fight.
Just maybe a surviver, if one of them is real lucky.
I would only consider a knife as a 'last resort' sort of SD weapon under the best of circumstances.
And there are never any 'best circumstances' in a knife fight with more then one knife in your control involved!
rc
There are never any clear winners in a knife fight.
Just maybe a surviver, if one of them is real lucky.
I would only consider a knife as a 'last resort' sort of SD weapon under the best of circumstances.
And there are never any 'best circumstances' in a knife fight with more then one knife in your control involved!
rc
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Sam Cade
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rcmodel said:
Y'know, I just don't understand why folks seem to conflate self defense with a knife with knife armed mutual combat.
rcmodel
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You know, I don't understand it either.
Just seems to turn out that way in my limited experience.
Unless you are confronted by a BG with a knife or a gun and have no other recourse though?
You best leave your knife in your pocket.
rc
Just seems to turn out that way in my limited experience.
Unless you are confronted by a BG with a knife or a gun and have no other recourse though?
You best leave your knife in your pocket.
rc
Sam Cade
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I don't have any idea what you are trying to say here.
I might just be too fatigued.
Sam Cade
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Well, I wear an EMT costume sometimes, and I've seen a bit of knife-related mayhem.
I've also been purposefully, personally, cut, hacked, clubbed, and had my right eye stabbed out.
So, in my unfortunately experienced opinion, mutual combat with knives is something to be avoided if at all possible, of course
But that doesn't have much to do with defensive use of the blade if a firearm is not a valid option for whatever reason.
Better rendered as, "Forget what you think you know about knife fights in movies."
I think you're missing the point, perhaps deliberately. Also, it turns out there are MANY situations where I can have a knife, but not a "gun, stick or cane", whether the law would allow their use or not. Today in uniform at my unit is one such time.
As several people have clearly stated, nothing about using a knife defensively requires that it be in answer to a knife in an attacker's hands- in fact, if you KNOW an assailant has a knife, using a knife against them should be your third to last resort, only better than bare hands (sometimes) or doing nothing while being slashed or stabbed.
The only "ideal" use of a knife defensively is when facing a deadly threat at very close range, such as being choked. News flash: you the defender are unlikely to be cut as you defensively cut the attacker choking you.
I think you're missing the point, perhaps deliberately. Also, it turns out there are MANY situations where I can have a knife, but not a "gun, stick or cane", whether the law would allow their use or not. Today in uniform at my unit is one such time.
As several people have clearly stated, nothing about using a knife defensively requires that it be in answer to a knife in an attacker's hands- in fact, if you KNOW an assailant has a knife, using a knife against them should be your third to last resort, only better than bare hands (sometimes) or doing nothing while being slashed or stabbed.
The only "ideal" use of a knife defensively is when facing a deadly threat at very close range, such as being choked. News flash: you the defender are unlikely to be cut as you defensively cut the attacker choking you.
Many private businesses, places of employment, venues, etc. will explicitly state that firearms can not be carried. I can get away with carrying a 3-4 inch non-tactical "looking" fixed blade or folder to work where as any firearm would get me arrested, fired, or both. Knifes do not normally carry the same stigma as firearms do, so I tend to carry a knife and pepper spray when I can not carry a gun.
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Sorry to hear about your experiences Sam.
To the original intent of the thread - I still think Izula, although about $20 over budget, is one of the best knives to have around in an emergency sack or glove box. But as noted, carrying a fixed won't fly everywhere.
Sam's Rat knife and the ESEE avispa/zancuda group are probably your best bet without getting into the 50 - 100, 100 - 200 range of spydies and quality benchmade folders.
I'm still preferential towards a peanut or case swayback jack... but I wouldn't think slipjoints are ideal for emergency defensive scenarios.
To the original intent of the thread - I still think Izula, although about $20 over budget, is one of the best knives to have around in an emergency sack or glove box. But as noted, carrying a fixed won't fly everywhere.
Sam's Rat knife and the ESEE avispa/zancuda group are probably your best bet without getting into the 50 - 100, 100 - 200 range of spydies and quality benchmade folders.
I'm still preferential towards a peanut or case swayback jack... but I wouldn't think slipjoints are ideal for emergency defensive scenarios.
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In Ohio knifes are demonized more than guns legally. CCW is for a gun only. A knife cannot be over I believe 4" and Connor be concealed other than smaller pen knife for utility.
I carry a folding KaBar with the clip showing on my weak side( left). It's there primarily incase someone would try to take my gun from me on the right, there Arm would be slashed till they let go. It is sharp enough to shave comfortably with and is 1/3 serrated to base
Sam Cade
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Legal blade length is determined by local law not Ohio state law. State law says that any knife could be construed as a deadly weapon (legally speaking).
Note the "Or".
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.11
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That makes it even more confusing when the laws change by county and jurisdiction.
AJumbo
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I've seen three gruesome knife fights, two similarly gruesome one-sided knife attacks, and have avoided a few *possible* assaults by having a weapon in my hand when the balloon went up. I never, ever want to have to defend myself with a knife......or a shotgun. I don't want trouble. I don't to be near it, or have it thrust upon those I care about. That mindset neither deters evil, nor prepares on to deal with it, so I go armed and alert if I go anywhere at all.
So..... getting back to the original focus of this thread, I just relieved Amazon of one of their Ontario RAT-1 folders, and will report back on it in a few days. I even spent the few extra bucks on the Coyote Brown version, mostly just 'cause I already have a stinkload of black knives. The RAT will be in my pocket while my beloved Spydercos and Benchmades are in the hospital for corrective surgery (mostly bent clips.)
So..... getting back to the original focus of this thread, I just relieved Amazon of one of their Ontario RAT-1 folders, and will report back on it in a few days. I even spent the few extra bucks on the Coyote Brown version, mostly just 'cause I already have a stinkload of black knives. The RAT will be in my pocket while my beloved Spydercos and Benchmades are in the hospital for corrective surgery (mostly bent clips.)
Gottahaveone
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I've been carrying a SOG Twitch II clipped to the top of my left cargo pocket for about a year now. Assisted opening, lockback, and decent enough steel for what I use it for. Nothing tactical, no scared sheeple when I pull it out, and it just works for me. They can be had online for ~$35....
http://www.sogknives.com/twitch-ii.html
http://www.sogknives.com/twitch-ii.html
Deltaboy1984
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I got a box full of knives to choose from to carry daily.
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