Afraid of Recoil

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What makes some people afraid of recoil and why? :confused:

Please do not post negative comments; I am not trying to degrade those people here. I've always viewed recoil as simply Newton's Third Law in action, a necessary component of shooting, nothing more. I ask because I recently took a friend (who has hunted since he was a kid) to the range with me. He wanted to try some of my handguns. I first had him try my .357 mag revolver (S&W 686+) with some light handloads (158 grain JHP with 7 grains of Unique). I showed him how to handle the weapon and what to expect. He's not a small guy, but not big. He's about the same size as me, but isn't in as good shape. Anyway, he shot once and said, "Holy S**t!" After shooting another four I had him try the last two in double action. He had a difficult time with the trigger weight. After those two additional shots he was done! I didn't push him to shoot more or make fun, I just said, "That's ok." He wasn't upset at all though and had a good time with it. He had brought an old .22 rifle and started firing that in another lane. He came over after a little while and said he wanted to see me shoot the .44 mag to get a comparison. I was hesitant to take it out, but did and loaded five full power rounds into the gun (old model single action revolver). He stood back a little while I proceeded to put five fairly quick COM shots (not showing off or anything, just standard self-defense speed) on the silhouette target that I already had up at the 25 foot line. I ejected the rounds, put the weapon down (pointed downrange) and turned around. He was white as a ghost. :eek:

I don't think it was the noise, since there was a guy between us shooting a really loud rifle that didn't bother him. It must have been the recoil. I felt a little bad about everything, but thought since he has been a deer hunter for many years he wouldn't be bothered. I think he had a good time anyway, though.
 
What type of rifle does your friend hunt with? My .243 develops 1950-2000 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Deer rifles only go up from there. A .357 Magnum is down in the range of 500-600 ft-lbs. And the 686 is a sweet shooter. Its 40 or so ounces of weight make shooting even full house loads pretty easy.

Maybe it's the fireball that scares him. Or maybe he's always so intent on the buck that he never notices the recoil of his rifle.

Hopefully someone smarter will wander by and enlighten us because I don't get it either.
 
The handgun isn't for everybody. Since this seems like his first attempt at shooting one you made a serious mistake starting him out like that. First time shooters I always say start out with a .22 lr. After they learn what will happen when the trigger is pulled then slowly climb up the power level.
There is a big difference in recoil in the hand vs recoil against the shoulder.
 
My 11-y.o. grandson isn't real fond of recoil, but I don't have any magnum handguns. He shoots all my 1911's, and loves the 9mm and .40 Hi-Point carbines. Last time out, I talked him into trying the M1 Garand, and he ran through a couple clips with it. Little jerk was hitting the bullseye at 100 yards with it too.

He's still pretty leery of the Rem. 700 30-06 though, he's watched it kick me and it scares him. That's OK, I'm afraid the scope would nail him anyway. Gotta get him to try the Mosin 91/30 yet.
 
I agree with Majic. Handguns just scare some people. I taught my younger cousin how to shoot handguns. He had been a hunter all his life, shot rifles in calibers all the way up to .300 Weatherby and shotguns up to 10ga. Holding that .22 pistol just made him nervous.

He eventually got used to it and now shoots his own handguns quite often... but for that first couple of weeks... man was he nervous.

I think improper technique has alot to do with it as well. An improper stance will make a handgun seem more powerful. Improper grip can make recoil more violent. Teaching geometry and grip will help a new shooter.

Once they realize that they can handle the firearm they will calm down and start to have fun.
 
LOL, I saw the thread title of "Afraid of Recoil" and the username 44MAGUM and all I could think was "Is 44Magnum really afraid of recoil? Shouldn't his name be 22LR?"
 
I’ve taught a lot of people to shoot, including friends, family members and military men and women. Some of them didn’t care about recoil and some were afraid. I don’t know why there’s a difference.

My daughter came home on vacation one Easter (she was a 95 lb professional ballerina) and wanted to go to the range. Her favorite guns were my lightweight .45 Commander and my M-29, both with stout handloads. She said the lack of recoil and blast from the .22s bored her. She wanted action!! Her accuracy was very good with everything.

On the flip side, some of the big, rough-tough soldiers I’ve worked with were afraid of the 1911 and the M9. They were especially jumpy around the .45. Why the negligible recoil of a service 1911 would bother a 240 lb soldier or anybody else is a mystery to me.

I think it’s genetic. My father enjoyed shooting big pistols. He loved my XP-100 silhouette pistol in .308 pushing a 190 gr Hornady bullet at 2200 fps. He loved shooting my .44s and .45s. Personally, I don’t like it if a gun actually hurts me, but recoil isn’t an issue. My .358 Norma Mag is a hoot to shoot – for about 15 rounds, after which the “gun headache” sets in…….
 
I don't think being startled is the same as being "afraid," but I cursed pretty loudly when I shot a friend's Airweight .357 Magnum. It was fun, but I don't think I'd want to do it a whole lot. And I was uncomfortable a couple of weeks ago in the next lane from someone shooting a snubby .44 Mag at an indoor range. "Afraid" would still be an overstatement, but I don't particularly like feeling that kind of muzzle blast from a couple of feet away.
 
Pain.

I'm also very recoil sensitive. I can shoot Glock 19, 1911, AR 15 all day long. But after 30 rounds of .357 mag my hand hurts. I shoot for fun. And bruised wrist or shoulder is no fun :(
 
TV. No one ever complains that the gun jumping up and down hurts or makes aiming difficult on TV. Non-experienced shooters go in thinking that the pistol will be as easy to hold on target as the water guns they have used up until now.

Yeah, Hollywood has a lot to do with it, I think. At least, I know it did for me. First time I touched off my Taurus PT92, I thought, "Mel Gibson's Beretta didn't jump like this does? What am I doing wrong?" Then it dawned on me...reality vs. movies.

Or, the flip-side is they see Dirty Harry crank off his Model 29 and watch that gun arch HIGH in recoil and think "Holy Toledo, Batman...who am I kidding?" and never want to touch one. After all, "this is the .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world...used properly it will remove fingerprints." Who wants to tangle with that monster?

I was invited to shoot a S&W PC .460 Magnun last summer. I had watched the man shooting it, saw the recoil, felt the concussion. No way on God's green earth did I want to tangle with that bad boy. Fear? You betcha. And I'm mad enough to admit it.

Q
 
People can stand different levels of pain without being bothered about it.

I'm teaching several ladies to shoot. Sunday afternoon they shot a LOT of 22LR and full load 9mm (Glock) and 38 Special (S&W J Frame).

As we were calling it a day one (small) woman kept loading the J Frame and shooting. She was really enjoying herself.

When she finally quit and I was packing up she showed me that the webbing of her hand was bleeding but it hadn't bothered her a bit.
 
I was watching on the History Channel, how when "Dirty Harry" came out, gun dealers were marking up the price on Model 29s way past mini-bar rates, and were backordered for months or years. They are fairly certain that most of those guns were fired either one time, or not at all.

I was watching "Magnum Force" yesterday on AMC (My wife yelling from the other room, "I hear Eastwood and gunfire, you've already seen it, FOR PETE'S SAKE!!") where Harry is shooting against David Soul in competition, and deliberately loses to him so he could shoot his 4" Python to get a bullet sample. (A gun I would STILL love to have.) He was going through that combat course, casual stance, one-handed, standard barrel weight, no compensator. I found myself wondering how many professional shooters would try that with a Model 29. Let's call Miculek and find out. :)
 
When I was younger (10-14 years old) and hunted deer, I was always afraid of recoil from the rifles and 12 gauges we'd use. I stopped hunting when I was 15 and lost interest in guns until the past couple of months I've developed an interest in them again (I'm now 26). I went shooting last month with my buddy and we shot his .357 blackhawk quite a bit, and I actually liked the recoil with full powered loads. I thought my past fear of recoil might deter me a bit from shooting higher powered guns, but to my surprise it didn't what-so-ever. I'm now planning on getting back into deer hunting and eventually want to try it with .44 mag revolver, although I've yet to shoot one. I guess I can chalk it up to just growing up and getting older.
 
I probably shouldn't have assumed he was used to this just because he has shot for years; however, it wasn't like I handed him the thing filled with full power loads and told him to have fun. They were practically .38's. Definitely no more than .38 +P. Plus, I showed him technique and demonstrated how everything worked and what he should expect. Heck, my first handgun experience was with a .38 +P 158 grain LSWCHP - the "FBI Load"

Maybe I've been shooting the big bores for too long and am just too used to it?.......Nah. You know, the more I think about it, the more I think it was simply the fact that it was a handgun that was intimidating. Maybe he was thinking "human killing instrument" instead of "hunting tool?"

rojocorsa,

If you can handle a .45 ACP then you can handle a moderate .357 load from a medium frame. I find that a moderate .357 out of the 686 is very similar to a standard .45 1911. A hunting load will be noticably more, and the standard .44 is much, much more.
 
He was going through that combat course, casual stance, one-handed, standard barrel weight, no compensator
In 1966 I bought the Model 29 for $125, including reloading dies and bullet mold.
I shot the gun a lot, including one handed but almost all the ammo was my reloads, that were loaded to about 3/4 of a full mag load.
If I shot full loads the web of my hand would be bleeding within 12 rounds.

Later I bought a Ruger 44 Mag Blackhawk. I put a Packmayer (sp) rubber grip on it and could shoot full loads with no trouble.

How bad recoil is depends a lot on the shooter and gun grip.
I shoot my Ithaca 12ga PGO shotgun one handed with no problem (and I'm 70) but some people complain that the POG shotgun is a wrist breaker.
 
I love recoil...up to a certain point. .357, .45, .44mag, 12 guage, it's all good. I love shooting my old 94 .30-30 but hate shooting my .30-06. I can shoot target loads through my 870 all day but a few 3" magnum 00Buck rounds literally bruise my shoulder and numb my cheekbone.

For me, recoil isn't the problem, it's the type of recoil. The push of a heavy 1911 is a lot more comfortable than the slap of my little S&W .38 special Airweight revolver.

I think with new shooters, the platform is more important than the cartridge. My sister was looking for a first handgun recently so my dad and I took her shooting. She is definitely "recoil sensitive". Between .22, .38, .357, 9mm, .40, .44 and .45, her favorite combo was shooting .44 special ammo out of my dad's S&W 629 with a 7" barrel. It was pretty funny seeing a 5'3", 100lb. girl shooting that gun, and shooting it WELL.
 
First time I went to my gun club's range, I encountered a guy shooting an AR-50, in .50bmg. It was like watching a small artillery piece go off! He offered a few rounds to me, and I about fell over myself getting to the bench. Now that was some GOOD recoil! The kind that makes ya wanna go smoke a Camel afterwards.
 
Bone bruises and blood sometimes put me off of recoil. Now that the calluses are back, it's not a big thing though. Putting 50 rounds of 9.3x62 downrange left me black & blue from my forearm to my sternum. I probably should have worn a jacket or something.

-Don
 
Handguns have a very painful sort of recoil compared with rifles, IMO.
I don't have a problem firing off the M44 or SMLE. Recoil's not bad. The .375 Winchester, also not all that bad. Recoil from most 12-gauge loads, not especially bad. The 20ga, not bad.
A .45 1911? Recoil is odd. It wants to pummel the top half of the web of the hand. It's got the rounded backstrap, FWIW.
A .357 Magnum K-frame? The .38 recoil is easy to deal with. The .357? It's got a nicer recoil to it, IMO, than the .45. Doesn't draw any blood (if you're pointing it in the right direction), it just feels like someone hit your hand with a hammer - but it spreads the blow across the entire area of your grip on the gun. Doesn't seem to affect the wrist as much as the 1911. This is with 158 gr standard-pressure Magnums.
 
Its like popping a balloon, U know Its not gunna hurt u but when it popps your normal reaction is to flinch.
You need to train yourself not to, at least I did!
 
I don't mind recoil but I don't like pain. Lightweight handguns in large calibers can flat out hurt. My makarov is ok but my P64 and PA-63 can be downright painful to shoot as well as my snubnose .357. I also don't like shooting 12 gauge pump shotguns anymore. I used to be fine with all these weapons but as I get older not so much.

Still like firing my .45 and midsize 9mm's.

It's a bummer getting old.
 
I don't mind recoil. The guns I shoot the most often are my 45acp guns (1911/Mac11 clone), my 45LC loaded up with ruger only loads (old Vaquero and Blackhawks), my 44mags (Vaquareos) and my Super Redhawk in 454Casull.

I shot my 454casull recently with 45colt loads and I was bored.

I do NOT shoot all that many 454casulls in a row though, maybe a box of 20 a session or so.

I can shoot my 357 mag revolvers all day long and they are fun but I don't think of them as "magnum" rounds. LOL

I don't like shooting my Mosin with heavy ball 7.62x54R. That gun I will do a clip or two and I'm done. Same with heavy shot gun loads out of a metal butt plate non-semi auto shotgun.

Saiga 12? I can shoot that all day long.

However I would not choose to shoot a flyweight revolver in 357, that sounds like it *would* hurt a bit.
 
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