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AK - Lower High End

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Can one of the "better" AK's even be found in that price range? People are snatching up anything that resembles a Kalashnikov. That, along with the dwindling number of parts to build from have driven the prices upward.

I don't think that 4-500 is going to get anything BUT and WASR or a base Saiga and the conversion parts, unless you can find something in the used rack.
 
I'm happy with my pre-converted Saiga from AtlArms, but it took me some personal DIY work to make it that way. For the money, all you get is the convenience of doing less of the work instead of none of it; IMO not worth it. Kind of wish I did the conversion myself, but either way I have a great rifle. If you want it to work properly, then buy a drill and order a bullet guide, because you'll be at least fixing that problem. I also had to do some work on the trigger guard.
 
I posted a review on here about the converted Saiga AK47 I bought from Atlantic Arms. I am very happy with it. It shoots like a dream and with a bushnell red dot mounted it is much more accurate than I expected it to be. The conversion is done my Tennesee Gun Works and I think it looks very well done.
 
Can one of the "better" AK's even be found in that price range? People are snatching up anything that resembles a Kalashnikov. That, along with the dwindling number of parts to build from have driven the prices upward.

I don't think that 4-500 is going to get anything BUT and WASR or a base Saiga and the conversion parts, unless you can find something in the used rack.
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Well its 530 for that M72 from Classic Arms.... I really don't want to do a conversion, I'm a student and don't really have time for that.
 
The M72 Should be a quality build but it has a long heavy barrel being a RPK clone. (It may feel front heavy) If you can find a Yugo M70A (full stock) or B folding stock they are very well built. I owned the full stock version built on the heavier DCI receiver and it was very solid and a great shooter. Also the M70 comes with a chrome, polished bolt carrier which is a nice touch.

J&G Sales has the M70B for $499.00

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...rfolder-stock-/cPath/209_214/products_id/1388
 
The M72 Should be a quality build but it has a long heavy barrel being a RPK clone. (It may feel front heavy) If you can find a Yugo M70A (full stock) or B folding stock they are very well built. I owned the full stock version built on the heavier DCI receiver and it was very solid and a great shooter. Also the M70 comes with a chrome, polished bolt carrier which is a nice touch.

J&G Sales has the M70B for $499.00

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/1388
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Well it's not a full stock but that looks like a pretty solid rifle at a pretty solid price.
 
Get the Bulgarian receiver -- milled from steel billet rather than stamped sheet metal. But they're heavy.
 

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For the money, that's probably the best deal going. After I lucked into a set of used teak foregrips ( from a THR member) this went from my least favorite AK in my stable to probably my favorite. The same rifle is also at Centerfiresystems for the same price.
 
The thing that would concern me about the M72 and other RPK type clones is that while they probably make for a much better bench rifle than a standard AK, I can't imagine they'd be nearly as practical or fun to carry and shoot from a standing or otherwise unsupported position. Doesn't that sort of defeat the point of this type of rifle?
 
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The thing that would concern me about the M72 and other RPK type clones is that while they probably make for a much better bench rifle than a standard AK, I can't imagine they'd be nearly as practical or fun to carry and shoot from a standing or otherwise unsupported position
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The RPK type weapon was not meant for aimed fire, but rather 'walking' your rounds onto the target.

It's all about knowing the design and usage intentions.
 
Right - a light machine gun like the SAW. I know that, I'm just saying that sounds a lot more like something one would use against a compound raid by, errr...zombies...than something I'd realistically enjoy taking to the range or even out into the woods. Just my opinion, of course.

In any case, it's somewhat different from one most people would think of when they think "AK" in terms of use.
 
Well I already have an AR. My main motivation for the AK is because I still can. Why is the AK so uncomfortable to shoot?
 
jws527, you get behind an RPK type sporter and it's gonna be the one of the most accurate "kalashnikov designs" you'll shoot.

They have thick, long barrels.

They all come with bipods, you know :)

BTW, some of the vendors are actually selling the AES-10B and M72 as "sniper rifles" :eek:
 
My main motivation for the AK is because I still can. Why is the AK so uncomfortable to shoot?
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Well, if you compare it to the AR:

-A pistol grip seemingly designed for child soldiers in Africa
-A buttstock that's at least an inch too short
-A narrow, short handguard
-A safety lever on the wrong side of the receiver which requires a full on hand motion to actuate
-A large, awkward bolt that's much more "interactive" to chamber than the simple bolt release switch on the AR
-Stout recoil
-Heavy

Many of these things are actually pretty easy to rectify. The grips and stock can be replaced with polymer equivalents which will reduce weight and fix some or the ergonomic problems, and the recoil can be mitigated with a pad, well designed stock, or a lighter caliber (e.g. 5.45). Not that I think that AK recoil is actually bad (I'm used to Mosins and Mausers), just more pronounced than an AR.

That said, I don't know if I'd call it "uncomfortable" - just awkward, and fun. :)
 
jws527, you get behind an RPK type sporter and it's gonna be the one of the most accurate "kalashnikov designs" you'll shoot.
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I think we're just miscommunicating. In terms of the things that can be objectively measured or defined, I don't disagree with you at all. :)
 
jws527 said:
-A pistol grip seemingly designed for child soldiers in Africa
-A buttstock that's at least an inch too short Not for squared stance shooting ( not bladed like we're trained / used to )
-A narrow, short handguard
-A safety lever on the wrong side of the receiver which requires a full on hand motion to actuate Which side is the "wrong" side?
-A large, awkward bolt that's much more "interactive" to chamber than the simple bolt release switch on the AR The "simple" bolt release is just another part that wears out (then you're back to 'A large awkward interactive bolt' or a jammed rifle)
-Stout recoil What AK are you shooting? A Mosin has stout recoil. Kalashnikovs have negligible recoil [you did say something about child soldiers, right])
-Heavy See above.
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Not sure what Kalashnikovs you're using, but a lot of the "discomfort" is not knowing how they were designed be used and expecting them to work "the American way".
 
Not sure what Kalashnikovs you're using, but a lot of the "discomfort" is not knowing how they were designed be used and expecting them to work "the American way".
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"Well, if you compare it to the AR:"
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"Not that I think that AK recoil is actually bad (I'm used to Mosins and Mausers), just more pronounced than an AR."
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"That said, I don't know if I'd call it "uncomfortable" - just awkward, and fun.

I was just answering his question. Vote with your dollars - I bought a Kalashnikov.
 
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Is the underfolder stock more or less comfortable than a standard stock?
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Asking subjective questions isn't very good for information gathering.

"Comfort" is way different from one person to the next. . .

That Century Yugo is just fine.
 
I have a pre-converted Saiga from Atlantic Arms. I've not had any problems with it and think it's a good bit of kit. Primarily Russian made, well converted. I did some work on it after I bought it but not because there was anything wrong with it but just to customize it a bit. Blain is a good guy to work with and will answer any questions you have. Give him a call.
 
Guys the SAIGA units are great base AK rifles , you can choose to attempt the conversion yourself or buy a pre converted unit either way you will be pleased .
 
Is the underfolder stock more or less comfortable than a standard stock
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I find folders extremely uncomfortable to shoot, and there is almost no way to get a solid cheek weld. But that's just my opinion, others like them just fine.
 
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