all around lever action rifle

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I've been working on a couple Marlin 39As lately and without any other experience subsequently fell in love with lever action rifles. As I said zero other experience. I was wondering what the general opinion is of what would be the best make / model / caliber in the lever action group. Sorry if this has been done to death before but I didn't see it. I wouldn't be looking for something to really hunt with but varmint control out to 100 yds or so would be nice, with my eyes and iron sites that would be beyond my limit. I don't reload but this is not something I'd shoot to pieces anyhow. Maybe something in a larger caliber to compliment my 39A? Just day dreaming about what to browse for at the next gun show.

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Mark
 
I love my Winchester 94s. There is just something about lever rifles. I am not sure that any of the current lever rifle manufacturers put out anything that isn't worth buying. I prefer Winchester, but then again, I don't really have any experience with the others.

A good caliber if you aren't really going to hunt with it and it is mainly for fun would be .357mag. Cheaper than 30-30 or other rifle calibers, it is suitable as your home defense carbine (decent power, heck, a magnum revolver caliber in a carbine usually has more velocity and power than in a revolver) with less overpenetration than the rifle calibers. With the Marlin rifles you can also shoot .38spl for cheaper practice (with other brands you may be able to get them to work with .38spl, but the reputation is that the Marlins usually do). You can shoot these out to about 100 yards (if you want a little more power at those ranges, and/or decide to hunt deer sized animals, with most of the advantages of .357mag you can also go with .44mag). Then again, my most fun gun (rifle or pistol) is my humble 30-30 Winchester 94.
 
Under the Laws of the (THR) Commonwealth - centerfire lever-action rifles come in sets of three. You are not allowed to buy just one. The set is comprised of...

Part A. Winchester 94 in 30/30 (.32 Special is acceptable IF your model 336 is a 30/30).

Part B. Marlin 336 in 30/30 (.35 Remington is acceptable IF your model 94 is a 30/30)

Part C. Marlin 1895 in .45/70 Gov.


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Browning BLR and Savage also qualify. 30-30, 32 W.S., 38-55, 444, 243, 22 rimfire,357, 44,. Sadly, I am missing a 35 and a 45 but I have good intentions. My understanding of "AllRound" means that I have to have one of every caliber and make in order to have it covered allround!!
 
As Shawnee said, we must comply with the Centerfire law of 3's!

In my Case it is a

39A Golden .22lr

336CW in 30-30

and a BLR81 Lightweight in .308.

BTW I love the BLR as either middle or top in the lever gun tri because of the box mag as you can shoot those pointy rounds further downrange.
 
I thought about tossing the BLR in there just because it might be the best lever-gun design ever made. As a hunting rifle it's a "sleeper" fersure, especially in .243 or 7mm/08. The Savage 99 with the rotary magazine - especially in .250 Savage is a definite High-5 too. :)

I probably should have said "sets of Seven" so there would be room for the BLR, the 99, the 39A and the 9422.

We could always vote on it. LOL ! :D

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I own a 1960 Winchester 94 30-30. I love it. It's very accurate, not too bad on recoil, holds at least 6 rounds of rifle ammo, functions reliably, and looks amazing! My dad found it at a gun shop a few years ago as a birthday present. We refinished the stocks and now it looks brand new (when I hand it down to my grandkids someday, it will hopefully have that old weathered look once again).

Now, I am convinced my next firearm must be a Marlin 1894 Stainless in .44 mag/.44 Special. 10 rounds of .44 mag in a quick-handling stainless lever gun with open sights sounds like the PERFECT all-around woods gun for here in rainy Oregon.

If I were you, I'd stick to Marlin, either an 1895 in 45-70, or an 1894 in .44. Have fun, and if you get the 1894, tell me how it shoots!;)
 
My first rifle was a 39A with a pre-microgroove barrel, and I still have it, so I'll offer some thoughts...

When i was a youngster I looked at the Marlin 336 ads in magazines and lusted after the 336C and a rifle version with a half-magazine. With the new pointed Hornady bullets they're back up high on the list for me.

Years ago I had a Marlin 1984 .44 Magnum with an Octagon barrel that I really liked. I gave it to a neighbor kid who was close to us about 35 years ago and he still hunts deer successfully with it today. I'd like to have another but might opt for the 336.

Back in the day, as previously said above, the Savage 99 in .250-3000 was quite a rifle, with low recoil and good ballistics. Jack O'Connor held it in high regard, and I believe that William Boyd (aka Hopalong Cassidy (Sp?)) hunted with one. Savage 99s with good bores are hard to find. From what I've read they're not tack-drivers. The 2009 Gun Digest has two articles on the 99 that are worth reading. I've always really liked them but I've never found one in good enough shape in the right caliber and version at the right price. Wish I'd thought to get one new.

Also as said above, the BLR is worthy of consideration. The .243 is excellent, and if you're after "varmint control" it comes also in .22-250. I've handled them in stores and they handle well and function smoothly. I've come close to buying one several times but never have.

That brings up the question of sights. All of the above mentioned rifles can be scoped. When the old tang sight on my 39A failed to "hold still" I put on a old Weaver K4. With my vision today I'd never go back. You cannot take full advantage of a .22-250, .250-3000, or .243 without a scope, in my opinion.

The ability to put on a scope was a major Marlin selling point over the Winchester Model 94 (pre "angle eject)."

It probably comes down to what you want it for. For "all around" use one of the higher velocity rifle cartridges would seem to be indicated.

I hope you find this helpful.
 
I vote for the Browning BLR, I'm sure you will like it.

I have an early Belgium Browning BLR in .308 with a Redfield Frontier 4X and love it.

It's light, fast, capable of handling just about anything in NA, and despite the pencil barrel, surprisingly accurate.

Also short enough to be a great woods gun.

The downside---extra original mags are rediculously expensive.:eek:
 
Everyone should own a savage 99 in 308 winchester.

Aas! I do not own a 308 savage 99! They are too rare to find a good deal!

Someone should remedy that and build a few million of 'em. toot sweet please.

I'll take mine parkerized with a scout scope and modified to use FN fal mags.
 
My take...

You already have a Marlin 39A that you really like. Add it's bigger brother, the 1894 to your arsenal. Pick the .44 mag, or if you can find the .357, get it. They are a blast to shoot, and they are powerful enough to really make a dent in coyote or similar varmint. The .357 gives you the luxury of both .357 and .38 for cheaper plinking. Almost no felt recoil and they'll take out a dog sized animal to 100 yards with no troubles at all. In my opinion, for what you are looking to do, the 336 (30-30) is overkill.

Winchester 94 is a good gun as well, but they are more expensive now that they are no longer made. The Rossi is also a good gun. Browning makes a fine rifle, but in my opinion it shoots no better than the Marlin, and they are way more expensive.

Last weekend I found a .357 Marlin for $350 at a gun show. I almost bought it, but decided to get a 1911 instead. I already have the 1894 in .44 Mag. One day I will have a 39A, but for now my CZ452 American gets the nod. Go with the Marlin!

Todd
 
Thank you for all the quick replies.

Not ruling anything out yet, I have much handling and ogling to do. If I were to continue with the Marlin trend, say a 336 , what are the pros and cons of 357 mag vs. 30-30? Is there a vintage I should strive for, or avoid, with that model? Any sought after features to look for?

If I sound like a newb I pretty much am. My locker has a spread of sidearms but my rifle experience is about .22 plinkers and varmint control. My bank account is not one to allow for very many false starts so I'd rather do it up right if I'm going to do it.

Who knows? I might even develop an itch for a wheelgun. :D

Mark
 
I like the Marlin 30-30's. They're great rifles for GP type rifle use in my opinion.
The .357 is also a good choice and is actually more versatile than the 30-30. If you were only going to have one long gun in your entire life, ever, you'd be hard pressed to do much better than a Marlin .357.
But you have a .22LR for small game and smaller pests. With good SOLID bullets, it should do pretty well on most smaller critters. In my experience, solids are way better. They damage less meat for hunting and penetrate a lot better for punching through stuff. Hollow point bullets are sadly lacking in this department.

30-30:
- very common rifle
- very common cheap ammo ($12 per 20 rounds)
- decent power and better range than a pistol caliber carbine. The 30-30 still only drops about 5" at 200 yards (IIRC).
- the rifles themselves are cheaper if you buy used. You can probably find a really nice used one for under $250.
- It will be a bit much for some uses, but have no doubt that it will KILL the hell out of a coyote.

.357 lever action:
- very versatile. It will work for defense against people or many critters out to 100 yards or so. It is NOT something to be underestimated, especially with a hot .357 load and a really good hard cast bullet. On the other end, with .38 Specials it's well suited for small game and plinking. It will also be cheaper to shoot and much more quiet than a 30-30 if you use .38's.
- Ammo is at least widely available but .357 ain't cheap anymore. Last I checked it's around $36 per box of 50. The same amount buys you about 60 rounds of 30-30. Gotta do the math and see if it makes sense to you.
- In my experience, a lever action .357 is one of the most fun guns to shoot that you can possibly own. If you take one to the range with you, expect other people to want to shoot it.
- You say you don't reload but if you ever start, .38 Special is a very efficient little round. You get a LOT of shots from a pound of powder.
- The rifles themselves are very graceful, well balanced, and some how just "old school". I like that.
- Although .357 is no weenie round to begin with, it gains a lot from a carbine or rifle. But it still isn't in the same class as a .30-30 from what I've read.
- Even new, the rifles are not nearly as available as used .30-30's or .35 Remington's.

In your situation, I'd get the 30-30 first. It's the cheapest and most available. If you do decide it's not for you, you can probably sell a used 30-30 for exactly what you paid for it and break even.

For features, some have a crossbolt safety and many older ones don't. That's about the only complaint that most have with them (one way or the other).
 
30-30 is a true classic, I don't think anyone can go wrong with it. Not really a "plinker", though.

I've always wanted a 1894 in .357, but they are pretty spendy and would have to be ordered. I bet it would be a lot of fun, though. And just because .44 Mag isn't my cup of tea doesn't mean the same doesn't apply to that either.

I would like to own a .45/70, even though I have no real use for it nor desire to feed it. But it's such a cool concept and it has stood the test of time. Maybe one day - but to be honest it's not high on my list.

.35 Rem owners seem happy and proud to own them.


There are other calibers out there too. Don't let the bug bite you too hard - it can happen!

[EDIT: Sorry - I got on a rant and didn't really answer your question. My answer for you would be .30-30]
 
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Lots of good info here - and Marlins are always a good

bet but if you can find a Winchester 9422M in .22 magnum you will have the hands down winner in the sweet shooting easy handling lever action rifle contest. They are no longer made but can still be found if you are patient and they are well worth the effort. And mine is NOT for sale. The .22 mag is just about ideal for vermin and varmints out to about 100 yards and is carried by just about anyplace that sells ammo. The only other Winchester I own is a 94 Angle Eject in 7/30 Waters and I also would recommend this rifle very highly. Factory ammo will be nearly impossible to find though and as you are not handloading maybe this won't work for you. The 7/30 Waters was/is a wildcat cartridge invented by the gun writer Ken Waters about 35 years ago and is simply the 30/30 Winchester necked down to take 7mm bullets. Federal loaded a factory round with 150 grainers at about 2600 fps.
The trajectory is flatter than the 30/30 with less recoil. The Federal factory stuff is deadly on anything up to deer size out to 200 yards. Tag a coyote with one of those and he will drop like he'd been hit by Thor's hammer. DRT. And no this one is not for sale either but if you do find one for sale somewhere buy it immediately because it is probably the best rifle you don't own. Good luck - and we're all real sorry about your addiction :D
 
Thanks all,
bonedigger, it appears you were typing some of my answers before I posted the question.

I should probably clarify my situation, my chunk of heaven is 11 country acres with horses. Longest line of sight distance (staying inside my own fences) would be almost 300 yards. but there are miles of open fields to the east and west.
I have a booming rabbit population but my biggest varmint concern is hole digging woodchucks and a few coyotes I can hear but so far have stayed out of site. There also is an occasional stray dog wandering across the property but unless I see a threat I let them pass, at worst I might kick up a little gravel near their tail to keep 'em moving. I love shooting but gave up hunting over 30 years ago.

My 77 39A with Stingers handles nearly any critter situation plus there are various handguns and a remmy 870 at the ready. From what I have read here the 357 mag / 38 special is probably the chambering for me. Responsibly pre-owned is better than new in my book

... but I'm still thinking this recently acquired lever gun obsession is going to get expensive. :D

Mark
 
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