All's well that ends well, sorta....

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Yoda

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My wife is about 400 miles away, taking care of her 94-year-old father. I've written here about him before, how he flew A-36s and P-47s in WWII, how he once chased a burglar out of his home with a .410, and how he recently asked us to remove the revolver he kept by his bed because his medicine gave him vivid dreams and made him sleepwalk and he didn't want to wake up with a smoking .45 in his hand. Good guy.

Anyway, "Marty," a relative who is a prohibited person, was coming over to visit, so my wife hid her two handguns so he couldn't find them. Then she forgot about them and came down to visit me. A few days after she got back up north, she realized she didn't see the guns where she had hid them. She couldn't find them. I tore the house apart down where I'm at, hoping she brought them down here and we somehow just forgot about them. No joy. Meanwhile, she looks everywhere for them up there. No luck.

We are NOT looking forward to having to submit a police report, since the logical conclusion would be that "Marty" somehow found them and took them. I drive up there, and we give it one more shot, looking everywhere we can think of, going through every drawer and bag and looking under everything. During this search, I realize that a rifle is also missing. Oops.

My wife's father notices all the poking around we're doing and sees our serious faces. "Lose your car keys again?" We didn't want to tell him what was up, because he doesn't need any new worries, but at this point, we felt he had to know what was up. We told him that three guns were missing, and we thought "Marty" might have taken them.

"You mean those two pistols and that little single-shot rifle? I saw that they weren't in their normal places, and I didn't want Marty to find them, so I put them in that old cedar chest in my closet."

Oh.

And that's exactly where they were.

As I said, good guy.

But the question is, if you know a prohibited person is coming over, how inaccessible do you have to make the guns? If you don't have a safe, do you have to move them out of the house?

Your thoughts?

- - - Yoda
 
That entirely depends on the person. Is it someone who will go snooping around, or is it someone who is going to show up, get a free meal and beer, and then bail?

Personally, I don't get a gun unless I have enough room in my safe for it, and I didn't buy a gun until after I had a handgun safe. I figured I'd rather not have to ask myself this question.
 
Just because someone is prohibited person doesn't mean they're a bad person, or they're gonna grab all your unlocked guns and either pawn them or go on a killing spree. Just like not every non-prohibited person is a nice guy.

My brother got in some bad situations when he was younger, and is a felon. I carry around him all the time, and certainly don't lock them up when he's around. He's a good guy with a nice family, who just got into some bad stuff when he was younger.

Same with a few friends of mine. Made mistakes, paid for them, good people.

Anyone I'm not comfortable with leaving firearms around with isn't a part of my life, and aren't invited into my house. If I can't trust you not to take something of mine (firearm, or otherwise), why would I allow you around my house?
 
Yoda - "out of sight - out of mind."
Depending on your "fear" level with this prohibited person, let that dictate the precautions you take.
I like the solution your FIL took. Sounds like one sharp cookie.
 
Legally speaking?
The home/gun owner is not required to do anything. It is the prohibited person's responsibility to not possess, either actually or constructively, any firearms he knows are present.
 
None of my friends are "prohibited persons."

I don't even know anyone who is a "prohibited person."

If I did know somebody who was a "prohibited person" it is unlikely that person would be allowed in my house.
 
Guess I am dense

I cannot fathom allowing a 'prohibited person' to be in my presence.

Unless it is in a public place,I see no reason to allow such .

I am sorry if I did not understand as to why he was allowed to be in the location where 'tools' that might tempt him to take that which is not his - was allowed.
 
Anyone I'm not comfortable with leaving firearms around with isn't a part of my life, and aren't invited into my house. If I can't trust you not to take something of mine (firearm, or otherwise), why would I allow you around my house?

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I would only add that it does not matter if you are prohibited or not. If I cannot trust you not to steal from me, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME AROUND ME.
 
Well as a Minister of the Gospel I have meet people who pulled some of the same stunts I did as a Teenager and Young Adult and because of when and where and they got caught they are now Felons. They all have grown up and some are members of my Church and are great citizens, parents and Christians. I challenge all you to not paint everyperson you find out is a Felon with such a Broad Brush.

In Yoda's case he knows the family felon is some what a shady person so his concerns are justified.
 
Lock them up in a gun safe. You are responsible for your firearms at all times. Keep them under your supervision, or locked up where people cannot access them. A locked house can work, assuming no one has keys who you cannot, or do not, trust with your firearms. Put away in a closet doesn't count.
 
I know family is family,BUT,I will not have anyone visiting that I think will steal from me!They just will not be welcome in my home! Lightman
 
I have a few friends that are "prohibited persons" I still carry around them but only in a holster on me. No other loaded guns in the house, unloaded and out of sight.
 
Me too Robert. I came closer than I would like to admit. Some of you who would never let a prohibited person in your house might be surprised by some of the actions from long ago of some of the people you do let in your house.


To the OP, All of my guns are in safes and stay there for a reason. Exhibit a would be the children running around all of the time. I suppose your example would be exhibit b.
 
This is inherently dependent on the individual. Being in AA I come into contact with prohibited persons all the time. How well I know them and how long I have known them factor into the equation. Some have been outstanding citizens without even a parking ticket in over 30 years. Some are just out and just starting. I take it on a case by case basis.
 
Anybody who might steal a gun could be careless enough to allow access by children, in their home.
Even the most careful, legal owners often have no idea how observant young boys are.
 
It seems what I am reading most is "once a felon, always a felon". Too bad, there are lots of good folks who have made mistakes. Broaden your horizons and meet some of them.
 
I'm not sure if anything was directed at me and I can only speak for myself,..........but I guess I should elaborate. When I said they would not be welcome around me, I was referring to people that I thought were capable of stealing from me or my family. Being prohibited would not make a difference, the kind of person they are NOW is all that matters to me. The reason I said what I said is because the OP stated he had a family member that he deemed capable and willing to steal. That is when I said that person would not be welcome around me and that I stand by. Nothing to do with being prohibited.

Hope that is clearer.
Shawn
 
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