Alternative to glock

[Ranger30-06]

It’s the same old same old in regards to Glock.

People complain about the grip angle. When it’s pointed out that it’s the dominate service pistol in law enforcement then it’s only because of Glock’s price structure.

Then the rest of us point out that everyone knows the LE community can hardly shoot to save someone's life... Grip angle is a problem, ignored because of dollar signs in the eyes of the people who don't even carry the gun.


To the OP: My suggestion is a S&W 5906/4006 or a CZ75. Both are AWESOME guns, with my preference going towards the first. You can pick either of them up for less than $400 too...

 

[mbopp]

The Glock grip doesn't do a thing for me.

FNP - liked it the best but accessories seem a bit hard to find.
CZ75 - a fellow shooter let me try his custom, I'm hooked.
S&W M&P - If I wanted a striker fired one today, they're readily available and really don't feel bad in my hand.

 

[18DAI]

If you like striker fired polymer, give the Walther PPQ a try. Fine pistol with a great trigger right out of the box.

VERY accurate too. Like shooting with training wheels. Good luck with your decision!

 

[Kiln]

The Glock grip doesn't do a thing for me.

FNP - liked it the best but accessories seem a bit hard to find.
CZ75 - a fellow shooter let me try his custom, I'm hooked.
S&W M&P - If I wanted a striker fired one today, they're readily available and really don't feel bad in my hand.

The CZ75 is excellent. Just great guns for the money. All steel and shoots on par with my XDM 4.5 for quite a bit less. Sits very comfortably in my hand too.

Don't really like the plastic guide rods but I'll get over it if the gun continues to work the way it does.

 

[wickedsprint]

I'm a big Glock fan, but not of the 17 for the reason you described..I hate the feel of it.

Try and handle a model 21SF if you don't mind a 45 or try the model 19 in 9mm which feels a lot better to me than the 17.

Otherwise the M&P is a great pistol...although I don's shoot them as well.

I've always wanted to try a CZ75 but think the weight might prove annoying for all day carry.

 

[Armed012002]

I've owned a Glock 21 Gen 3, Glock 21 Gen 4, Glock 26 Gen 4, S&W M&P full size, and S&W M&P compact as well as numerous 1911s and revolvers.

On the M&P and 1911, the front sight and rear sight come up in-line, so I have to find the front sight, focus on it, and align it with the rear sight. With a plain rear sight without dots, it's a little easier to find the front sight.

On the Glock, the front sight comes up above the rear sight. It jumps right out and I don't have to find it. It was a little odd to get used to at first, but I find I'm faster with it.

I hope Glock never changes their grip angle. I really like it the way it is.

To the OP, the Smith & Wesson M&P is a very nice weapon. I suggest you check it out.

The Glock, M&P, XD, and some others have proven to be just as good as Glock. There's simply not a "best," but rather alternatives or options. Different people have different preferences to what works best for them. In order to compete against Glock, any challenger will have to match its reputation for durability and reliability. Thanks to Glock's reputation, the competition has to step up their game in order to compete in the market place. Thus, we have a lot of great options for durable and reliable firearms from several different companies, including Glock.

 

[Armed012002]

Its not to difficult to identify the least experienced shooters on these internet gun forums, often their hyperbolic proclamations of this, and of that, as it pertains to firearms, or a particular firearm, as is done in the above quote, give them away almost as if by some Freudian mechanism.

Well said.

 

[TarDevil]

Ruger SR9C will make you sell a Glock.

Ayep. I'm with the OP... tried, but just can't get adjusted to the Glock.

SR9c is one of the sweetest shooting guns I've ever shot outside of a Colt 1911 and my Police Positive.

 

[Feanor]

It is also impossible to take someone so full of himself seriously. Reflect on the condescending way you present yourself and see if you would honestly respect your own thoughts if viewed from someone else's perspective. You come across like a noble talking down to peasants. It is as if it is your personal responsibility to find thoughts that aren't similar to your own and impart upon them your divine knowledge.

The reason I know you have a strong preference for Glock is because I read the forum all the time and damn near every post you've made has been to praise the Glock like you're the company's personal propaganda machine.

Just because somebody has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about, is a novice when it comes to firearms, or is an inferior person.

It isn't difficult to figure out who has bought into the "crock perfection"

This is an example of hyperbolic rhetoric, coupled to dishonest, misleading, and offensive ad hominem. I only have 54 posts, you also cannot substantiate the personal attack either, you are invited to post all of my sales efforts on behalf of Glock?

 

[meanmrmustard]

Glocks ARE CHEAP. They stay together well and when/if they need repair the Peres are easy to install and available. So, cheap is indeed a fact. They also shoot better than most because the the lower bore axis and grip angle. They weigh less than all metal guns so they are easier to carry. Master one Glock and you have master all Glocks.
Purchase and street price is inline with other guns in their class, partly because there are so many of them sold. If you want something to show to your friens or get noticed at the range do not get a Glock.
M&P or Ruger SR9 are also good and have low cost of ownership. I would list xd in the list but it seems that they are not used as hard as the Glocks By their users. The one person that I know that carries an xd daily says he les it, but if he had to start all over he would pay the extra and get Glocks.
Sig, Walther, FN and some of the others mentioned, I have not been around them enough to have
an opinion. CZ 75b seems to have a good responses, but it is too heavy and too big In the grip area for me. I also think that parts may be harder to find.

Also you need to consider the things that go with the gun, like can go to the local gun shop and get mags and holsters. What is the availability of people that can service your gun. How easy is it to
clean?

Mags at any LGS or sporting goods store, I.e. Bass pro and Cabelas. Holsters at walmart. Any smith worth his salt can or has worked on a 75, and cleaning is a breeze. It's heavier than a Glock, but I'm hoping someone can measure the difference between the 75 and the Glock bore height, cuz I'm going to GUESS that the 75 is a tad lower. I like a heavier weapon, less perceived recoil. I prefer it's hump back grip, very comfy, and have VZ G10s on mine, which thin things up. To say the least, it's a tack driver.

 

[miles1]

Well said.

Agreed.

 

[Kiln]

This is an example of hyperbolic rhetoric, coupled to dishonest, misleading, and offensive ad hominem. I only have 54 posts, you also cannot substantiate the personal attack either, you are invited to post all of my sales efforts on behalf of Glock?

I'm done arguing, mainly because I find your overly formal posts extremely annoying. You just seem so arrogant that I can't bear to read your thoughts any longer.

 

[Paris]

I have a few Glock pistols kicking around, a 17 and 20. These pistols are good for what they are, reliable, easy to shoot, durable, inexpensive.

I also own a S&W Sigma (SW40VE) and find it every bit as good as my Glocks and better in many respects. I like the Sigma magazines, I like the Sigma grip and ergonomics, easily better than any Glock, and I like that it's made here in the US of A. Some folks don't care for the Sigma's trigger but I've never had an issue.

Buy a Sigma!

 

[Feanor]

The reason I know you have a strong preference for Glock is because I read the forum all the time and damn near every post you've made has been to praise the Glock like you're the company's personal propaganda machine.

Hey look, you got confronted for your childish, hyperbolic & inciting rhetoric, you included a dishonest shot at me in the process, one you are very obviously unable to support through any words, or posts of mine. See those quotes there young man? There your's!

 

[Girodin]

Ruger SR9C will make you sell a Glock.

It has, in my opinion a horrible trigger.

The sigma also has a horrible trigger.

The trigger on those guns are reason enough for me to pass on each of them. What ever other virtues they might have can be found in other guns which have much better triggers.

 

[Kiln]

I'm making a baseless claim that you have a preference for Glock pistols?

I rarely dig through someone's posts to prove a point because frankly, I just don't give a **** in 90% of all cases but in this case I don't have to dig much at all because there are so many quotes to choose from and so few posts. Here are just a few quotes that show your Glock fanboyism:

It's been my experience that the most voiciferous opposition to the "Glock" brand, emerges from those with either the least practical shooting experience(marginal skills), older but skilled shooters who just will never be able to get past the idea of plastic, or young males much more concerned with fashion than function!

You basically state that if you don't like Glock it is because you're either an unskilled shooter, an old guy that hates polymer guns, or a little kid trying to keep up with the latest fashions.

No, I don't! Frankly the 1911 was never revolutionary, and certainly nowhere near the revolutionary status of the G-17 pistol. The G-17 owes much to the Browning design, but it is itself, a far superior rendering of it. The Glock is supremely simple, this simplicity is its genius.

The Glock, which has a little 1911 in it, was highly revolutionary, so much so that it chased Colt out of the defensive pistol market entirely, and damn near destroyed S&W, virtually obsoleting S&W's 3rd gen autos overnight. Before Glock, there was no such thing as reliable from the box, certainly there never was a reliable 1911 that came that way from the box! But Glock's did, they were also virtually impervious to oxidation, every part was interchangable with any other Glock, they could be fixed by anyone with but thirty minutes of good instruction, and having but 34 parts there wasn't much that ever really needed fixing anyway!

There is no comparison, the 1911 is sexy, but its not anywhere close to the Glock pistols revolutionary design. Also, while its true that others developed polymer framed firearms long before Glock did, it was Glock that mainstreamed them, period!

In "How many Glocks do you own?":

Down to six, once I had eleven.

Glad to see that it is so impossible for me to find any posts that you have made that show your strong preference for Glocks.

Also I see the words "hyperbolic rhetoric" used in every couple of posts. Seriously expand your vocabulary if you insist on using big words all the time to make yourself appear superior to other posters.

Basically every time somebody says anything negative about Glocks you jump in, yell "BLASPHEMY", and begin to educate the poor untrained fake gun guys around here who know nothing when it comes to firearms about how amazing the Glock is.

 

[Walking Dead]

Wow Kiln and Feanor! Y'all should get some counciling. I'm not a fan of Elvis nor do I like Toyota Corollas but I can't deny that Elvis changed the music industry and the Corolla although plain and basic (Glock) it gets the job done with an unparalleled consideration to value and quality. I don't even know how you argue about it.

 

[MyGreenGuns]

OP: I tried the Glock-Kool-Aid, and I also ended up looking for an alternative. I did not like the idea of having to train myself to accept a firearm if there were more options available. I would rather find a gun that fits me and train with that.

I would like to try the M&P. It was not around when I was shopping.

I'm a big fan of the XD, but like the original recipe better than the XDm. I feel they tried to dress up the XDm to make it look "cool".

The XD feels very natural (to me). I can point shoot this gun and that made me prefer it to my other choices.

I have big hands. Some people complain about the size of the grip, but for me it is just right.

Good luck on your next selection. Whatever it may be.

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Feanor - You seem to have started an argument that is detracting from the OP's question. This thread is titled "Alternative to Glock". Your first post (#31) was a personal attack and seems very "low road" in my opinion.

This site lets "the least experienced shooters" learn about our common interest alongside long time shooters / collectors / enthusiasts / experts.

Do you have an alternate handgun to suggest? Or are you here to ruffle feathers?

The loudest mouths are almost always the least experienced

we don't frequent these internet forums

See those quotes? They're yours!
You may have experience with your guns, but you have little experience on the forum. If you want respect, show respect.

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The OP wants something else, not another sip of Kool-Aid. Let him go.

+1

 

[contender]

sig sp2022

 

[TarDevil]

It has, in my opinion a horrible trigger.

I would be interested to know the basis for such an opinion. It runs contrary to every review I've ever read of the SR9c, every review I've seen on YouTube (including hickok45), and the opinions of those on THR that actually own and shoot this gun. I would love to know how my SR9c trigger could get any better.

OP:Feanor - You seem to have started an argument that is detracting from the OP's question. This thread is titled "Alternative to Glock". Your first post (#31) was a personal attack and seems very "low road" in my opinion.

This site lets "the least experienced shooters" learn about our common interest alongside long time shooters / collectors / enthusiasts / experts.

+1. No need to intimidate new shooters with denigrating remarks about their level of experience.

 

[Jim PHL]

I think people get wrapped up in everybody else's opinions too much. A well-written post by somebody on how much they like their ____ might convince almost anyone that that gun is the one and only one to own.

My take: for the first 15 or so years after the Glocks first hit our shores, they were far and away the best choice in that platform. (Platform being service-style, hi cap, lightweight polymer, easily maintained and relatively inexpensive.) You could almost say "the only choice" for quite a while. For the last decade or so, the industry has produced some much better alternatives. I personally feel like any shooter would be well served by just about any make or model that has been mentioned in this thread as well as many others. Aside from the occasional lemon that any (and every) manufacturer lets out their factory door, they are pretty much all reliable, accurate, easy to learn and easy to maintain. I'd personally stay away from a make/model that gets universally trashed, but there are not too many that are. For every Glock lover, there's a Glock hater, and so on.

Personally, I have a real appreciation for Glocks. For their reliability, durability, ease of use and, let's face it, incredible job the company has done marketing and positioning it as the Xerox, the Kleenex, etc. I can't tell you all how many times I've almost bought one...and still might! (for me it would be a too-good-to-pass-up deal on a 26 or 19.) However, as much respect as I have for them, and try as I have, I just don't like them.

Which one do YOU like? Buy that one and enjoy it.
Chocolate and vanilla.

 

[LiveLife]

My take: for the first 15 or so years after the Glocks first hit our shores, they were far and away the best choice in that platform. (Platform being service-style, hi cap, lightweight polymer, easily maintained and relatively inexpensive.) You could almost say "the only choice" for quite a while. For the last decade or so, the industry has produced some much better alternatives.

Good point.

It has, in my opinion a horrible trigger.

I would be interested to know the basis for such an opinion. It runs contrary to every review I've ever read of the SR9c, every review I've seen on YouTube (including hickok45), and the opinions of those on THR that actually own and shoot this gun. I would love to know how my SR9c trigger could get any better.

I started match shooting 17 years ago with 1911 and did a trigger job that was about 3.5 lbs with very clean break. On a dare, I switched to Glock 22 and shot matches stock without any modifications to the trigger. Well, even after a nice break-in, the Glock trigger can't compare and I think that's where "horrible trigger" comments come from.

I have shot enough of hammer/striker fired pistols to compare and Glock trigger is not that bad for a combat grade pistol. When I was in the Army and our unit received last of the unissued 1911 pistols for our officers, you should have seen the rough condition of the pistols and the "horrible trigger" It took several days for us to polish the metal contact surfaces and make the pistols "serviceable" without jamming with ball ammo.

I think the "new" trigger S&W is using for the M&P line will be an improvement over Glock triggers. When I bought my M&P45, I anticipated doing a trigger job. After the trigger and polish job, trigger pull is around 4 lbs and striker release is smoother, lighter and cleaner. It is by far the best striker trigger I have shot. Before the trigger job, M&P45 trigger felt "horrible" to me when compared to Glock trigger, but now Glock trigger feels "bad" compared to M&P45 trigger.

Subjective trigger feel is often "relative".

 

[TarDevil]

bds, good info. I don't shoot competitively, just for fun and SD proficiency, so I wouldn't even consider a trigger job for a SD gun. Having said that, and for my purposes, I'm fine with the stock Glock trigger. I do like the stock SR9c trigger a little better, but that's just a personal preference, not a complaint about Glocks. Ergonomically, however, the Glock just doesn't feel natural in my hand like the Ruger.

Still, I'm confounded by comments that the SR9c trigger is "horrible" when so many owners and professionals who've put hundreds of rounds downrange say different.

 

[TimboKhan]

I believe that's because a goodly number of people blame iffy shooting on a bad trigger, when in reality the triggers are fine. Shoot enough, and I believe that you can adapt to any trigger, and I further believe that very, very few triggers are really bad. Perfect, no. 100% serviceable, yes.

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[TimboKhan]

On a related note, I love Glocks, but my brand new Gen4 was biting me. I shoot enough for that to be troublesome, so I sold it and bought a XD. Holy cow, do I like that pistol!

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