Am I th only one who would like a good reasonably priced AR type Bolt gun?

I think the push pin swap of uppers on an AR type receiver to make the most sense economically.
Popping stuff out of stocks and changing barrels/bolt heads, setting headspace...........seems like an unnecessary hassle.

Think there are side charging uppers w the bolt handle on the right, so would offer same side bolt manipulation.

If just bench shooting or varminting off bipod, a left charger might be of advantage?
 
Some guys like to tinker, and go with the Savage or Remage bolt stuff.

I hate changing barrels on shotguns or Contenders, prefer to set and forget.

Changing stuff can cause variability and or wear. Wouldn't mess with it on rifles needing accuracy.
Plus there could be a screw up.
 
I absolutely would love a bolt platform utilizing AR parts. With barrel extensions being what they are it would end up being a straight pull bolt action unless you used a totally different carrier setup, but either way yes. Minimal magazine well because bolt rifles probably aren’t gonna be chunking out rounds like a semiauto or full auto. Maybe a 5 rounder would fit flush or just barely proud of the stock for manual extraction. No buffer tube needed, so a pic rail rear and utilize a folder. 16 or 18 inch barrels would be optimal for me. I very much want one, and have been looking at a few receivers trying to figure out what to do for my daughter. 11yr old, still 50 lbs and gets mistaken for a 2nd grader. She wants a real modern rifle for her birthday and I cannot find anything that checks all boxes.

Repeater
Deer optimal (not deer capable like 223)
Not heavy
Super short LOP

If push comes to shove we drop the repeater requirement and go with a single shot. I can do that easily enough, but we really want bolt action and so far the cheapest realistic build will be a grand or more between donor rifle, stock, barrel chop, bottom metal… seriously give me a Savage Axis or bolt AR lower with AICS mag and a collapsible stock.
 
someguy2800 said:
We all have our moments. I almost brushed my teeth with diaper cream once.
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Know a guy who did it with preparation H......
doubleh said:
Loonwolf mention an axis as a substitute. Uh, big no in my case. I have owned one axis. Never again will it happen. I am probably a minority of one but if someone offered me one as gift on the condition I had to keep it I would pass. I am becoming more forgetful but I won't forget that axis
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Im in the same boat, but in terms of cost there arnt any other options that can do what the op wants in its price range.
 
kidneyboy said:
Disconnect the gas block and remove the tube. Turn the gas block around to block the gas port. Now its a bolt gun. I have an upper set up like this.

A couple of companies make a conversion for AR's to make them californica compliant. Will post when I remember their names.
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Cali Key
 
Hookeye said:
Some guys like to tinker, and go with the Savage or Remage bolt stuff.

I hate changing barrels on shotguns or Contenders, prefer to set and forget.

Changing stuff can cause variability and or wear. Wouldn't mess with it on rifles needing accuracy.
Plus there could be a screw up.
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Same. I have contenders and handi rifles with switch barrel setups and I very rarely ever swap them. I prefer to just have complete guns. I don't swap uppers either. I used to swap my 7.62x39 and 358 yeti uppers for deer season but eventually just built lowers for all my uppers. I really like the ability to swap barrels without a gunsmith if I so choose in the future, but I have no desire to have caliber conversions at the ready.
 
I don't really understand the point/advantage of interchangeable barrels/calibers in "reasonably priced" rifles. From what I've seen it's usually just as expensive as buying a whole complete rifle in another caliber, and you still have to re-zero etc.

If you have a chassis that's really nice and you can swap calibers... do you actually do it? Or do you honestly shoot one barrel until it's burned up and then replace it, which is what you would be doing anyway?

I'm not really a rifleman so someone please fill me in. I can see the advantages of modular/fire control group handguns in locations where it's a PITA to register another gun or whatever. But when you can get a complete Savage and sometimes Ruger for $300 or less... how much does it cost to buy a barrel assembly for a modular setup? And possibly new bolt head/mag/whatever?
 
someguy2800 said:
The Uintaw does not use AR15 barrels, and that is the reason I don't own one. The design I have in my head for a bolt action AR upper would use standard AR15 barrels and bolts. The bolt would be fixed in place in the actual bolt with a cam pin, but there would be no cam slot in the carrier so when you lift the bolt handle the bolt and carrier lift 22.5 degrees and then pull back and push forward to load. The bolt carrier would just need to be designed with a firing pin block to prevent it firing out of battery.
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Well that's dumb. I only had a cursory knowledge of them, and figured they used an AR15 barrel system. Cross them off the list.
 
entropy said:
Because there aren't 1000s of chassis bolt rifles out there? Cheap? Savage. Cheaper? Buy an Axis and put it in a MDT chassis. I'm thinking if putting the Axis I paid $29 for in one, or possibly a Boyd's stock.
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Already did that :p I bought a orx chassis for the 29.00 .223 axis I scored then
 
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I guess most don't get the concept n that's OK. Not the o ly time I am out there a bit ! I got several Axis in different clambering n several remington 700 .223 from those buys that can be rebatrelled etc. The AR lowers are plenty accurate contrary to some
 
tallpaul said:
I guess most don't get the concept n that's OK. Not the o ly time I am out there a bit ! I got several Axis in different clambering n several remington 700 .223 from those buys that can be rebatrelled etc. The AR lowers are plenty accurate contrary to some
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What exactly is the "concept" though? Does a straight pull bolt action not meet the requirements?
 
One high dollar lower with an adjustable trigger, ect and a gang box full of uppers is just fine. I hate changing barrels on the TC Pro hunter and not impressed with it either. Till Hillary comes after the evil AR
 
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I have done the manually operated side charge AR thing before. It works. That’s as good of a thing as I can think of to say about it. Would never chose that over a proper turn bolt.
 
You have to ask yourself what features of the AR-15 platform you want to retain. First off, the cost point of ar parts is due to volume. So you either use real ar parts or the cost savings goes out the window.

Second, if you stick to the AR bolt head, you have no real mechanical advantage on a stuck case(or sticky case) over a real bolt head that levers the case out of the chamber. Remember, an AR uses gas to loosen that fired case by beginning the extraction process under pressure!

Third, if you do build a custom upper casting and bolt carrier that allows true fire control safety (think not firing out of battery) that can have a standard ar barrel extension slid in, and order barrels without the gas port drilled, do you really want to swap the barrel and re zero the sight setup, or are you going to want multiple custom upper castings and bolt carriers to leave the uppers assembled?

It's a great idea from the extreme overhead perspective, and one I intend to dabble in, but it ain't really a great idea compared to cheap bolt rifles like the savage axis, Mossberg or Ruger options. All of those can have barrels swapped pretty cheap and easy too, just takes a few more minutes and a couple tools...
 
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What is the point though? What benefit do you envision such a thing providing?
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The benefits I would be interested in are:

1. Affordable AR patterned barrels
2. A plethora of AR triggers at good prices
3. Ease of swapping uppers to a different caliber, as the bolt head is retained in the upper and no headspace concerns, optics stay relegated to the barrel/no rezeroing.
4. Lots of options for furniture, from polymer, aluminum, wood, etc.
5. Lower with a 1913 rail on the back (where the buffer tube threads are) would allow for lots of stock options. Folding, fixed, collapsing, and different materials.
6. No gas issues for suppressed/unsuppressed loads, limits concerns with FTE, FTC.
7. No port pop when shooting suppressed.
8. No gas to the face when shooting suppressed.
9. Ease of mounting scopes with pic rail on top.
10. Ease of mounting thermal lights, lasers, etc for nighttime predator control.
11. Familiar controls for AR leaning shooters.
 
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BreechFace said:
The benefits I would be interested in are:

1. Affordable AR patterned barrels
2. A plethora of AR triggers at good prices
3. Ease of swapping uppers to a different caliber, as the bolt head is retained in the upper and no headspace concerns, optics stay relegated to the barrel/no rezeroing.
4. Lots of options for furniture, from polymer, aluminum, wood, etc.
5. Lower with a 1913 rail on the back (where the buffer tube threads are) would allow for lots of stock options. Folding, fixed, collapsing, and different materials.
6. No gas issues for suppressed/unsuppressed loads, limits concerns with FTE, FTC.
7. No port pop when shooting suppressed.
8. No gas to the face when shooting suppressed.
9. Ease of mounting scopes with pic rail on top.
10. Ease of mounting thermal lights, lasers, etc for nighttime predator control.
11. Familiar controls for AR leaning shooters.
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A barrel without a gas port takes care of the few things on that list that a standard AR doesn't already provide.
 
tallpaul said:
where ya could change out calibers n such fairly cheaply? Then again maybe I am just spoiled by the ability to just throw AR's together so easy n cheap... that work well.
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Many, MANY bolt action rifles already offer this opportunity. Whether it’s cheap but style barrels or precision machined shouldered prefit barrels, throwing together easy and relatively cheap bolt action rifles that work well has been a thing for several years already.

But on the AR platform? Eh, hard pass. Among bolt guns, AR triggers are garbage, and the form factor of the AR is famously more difficult to shoot well as conventional bolt guns… some guys love the idea, but there are good reasons bolt action AR uppers aren’t popular.
 
Varminterror said:
Many, MANY bolt action rifles already offer this opportunity. Whether it’s cheap but style barrels or precision machined shouldered prefit barrels, throwing together easy and relatively cheap bolt action rifles that work well has been a thing for several years already.

But on the AR platform? Eh, hard pass. Among bolt guns, AR triggers are garbage, and the form factor of the AR is famously more difficult to shoot well as conventional bolt guns… some guys love the idea, but there are good reasons bolt action AR uppers aren’t popular.
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I firmly agree with everything that you said here, but I still want to play with the idea. But only for the hobby aspects.
 
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