Am I wrong in this? (Mosin Nagant Question)

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Many of us here have experiences with bolt action guns. You evidently do. With that experience (other than square receiver Mosins, which I have not seen), you must know that machining of non-emergency Mosins is equal to any other battle rifle of the day.
 
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I picked up my mosin at a show about a year or so ago for $95 with tax. My bolt is not the smoothest ever but it still shoots well. If you want to spend the time on it then by all means do what ever floats your boat. I have seen several posts of people that have mosins that shoot quite well. Heck I put a different stock on mine because I could. I am in the process of building a collection right now. For the money a Mosin is great.
 
I think the question has been fairly and correctly answered. Look, I love mosins, and I think that with practice and reasonable expectations of what it can do, it is a fairly incredible rifle. Long range shooting, while possible and fun, is just not the mosins milieu.

I would hunt with one, I would shoot shoot steel with one and in fact have out to ranges like he describes with iron sighted russian and a scoped Finn. It was fun and challenging. Ringing steel isn't so hard with a scoped mosin at those ranges, but if he is looking for accuracy, he just isn't going to find it with that rifle at that range.

Incidentally, it is really hard to shoot iron sights at that range, but darn fun to try. I don't mean to imply that I was ringing steel repeatedly with irons, but I was getting a hit about one out of every seven or eight shots. Scoped, better than 50%, but the points of impact were widely varied. With any of my normal hunting rifles (all two of them), I can ring steel every shot and at worst am opening up to 7 or 8 inches in terms of POI.
 
I had to cut over .25" of metal off the rear sight of my Mosin to get it on target. Most Russian Mosin Nagants shoot high. They were manufactured to be on target at 300 yards out of the box. A decent vise and a belt sander will get a high shooting Mosin on target.
 
I must have really lucked out with my sights on my 1942 Tula 91/30. It is the adjustable, marked in Arshins (or is it arshini?) sight and was right on at 25 and 50 yards at the lowest setting and can be adjusted up from there. Can't wait to shoot it out further and see what I can squeeze from it. I have become a rather instant die hard mosin fan.

I agree with Ron that budget and expected accuracy would be helpful. If your friend wants "out of the box" 1-3 MOA accuracy out to 600 yards the Mosin is probably not the best choice. If he is willing and able to do some "tinkering", is realistic and accepting of 2-6moa accuracy, and can afford absolutely no more than 100-200 dollars than the Mosin might be a great choice. If he can afford 300-400 and really wants accuracy I'd advise a savage in .308 or similar caliber.

Best of luck!
 
I had to cut over .25" of metal off the rear sight of my Mosin to get it on target. Most Russian Mosin Nagants shoot high. They were manufactured to be on target at 300 yards out of the box. A decent vise and a belt sander will get a high shooting Mosin on target.
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Why did you not just move the front sight (there is a tool) and/or change the length of the front post? That is much easier than modifying the rear.

Personally, the best modification one can make on these, is replace the rear sight w/ a Mojo. They can be taken on/off in 5 min if you have a rare rifle and want to keep original.

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The 91/30 rear sights are marked in meters, not arshini.
Denis
 
Denis, thank you for pointing that out. I looked back and realized I must have been reading in the wrong section when I did my research. I'll have to do some testing at the range, but I now believe my sights to be incorrect (to the low side). Makes no difference to me I just have to see what 'notch' setting lines up with what ranged and make note of it.
 
Just to follow up on my own thread.

My buddy is pretty sure he is going to bubba up a Mosin. I'm going to let him do it. Just to have him learn and to see what the thing can be capable of.

He doesn't believe me about recrowning the barrel or cleaning after shooting surplus ammo. But he will learn the err his ways.

He also said that he was going to put a nice piece of glass on it. When I asked him his budget, he said ~$100 :what: Oh well. I bet it will also be around the 20 magnification range, so he will have trouble seeing a lot.

As a mentor I feel a little bad. But some people are set in their ways and won't heed the advice of the more experienced. He will come around eventually I hope.
 
Cent,
As a beginning point, try the 300-meter notch at 100 yards.
25 & 50 won't tell you anything useful.
Denis
 
I'll give that a 'shot' Denis. Any insight as to a common explanation of why 300m would equal 100yards as opposed to 100m=100yrds (or close enough)?

Big E: good luck mentoring the stubborn friend. Who knows maybe he'll surprise everyone (doubtful but you never know). There are certainly almost endless web sites and videos with vast amounts of info on improving the mosin nagant. For a "good scope" in the $100 range I would recomend Centerpoint / Leapers.
 
I think you might be mixed up there. The 100m setting on the rear sight is zeroed at roughly 300m as a sort of MPBR setting. Setting the sight to 300m for 100m shooting is gonna have you shooting clean over the target. On 100m at 100yds you'll be hitting roughly 8-12 inches high.
 
Quoting from one of the manual translations:
"Confirmation of a rifle's zero is conducted by firing at 100 meters with the rear sight set at 3."

That'd be with the bayonet attached.
One of my unaltered round-receiver rifles shoots low, both with and without a bayonet, set on 1 at 100 yards. The difference between with & without is left & right impacts, not elevation.

A borrowed hex receiver rifle also shot low, same distance & sight setting.

Just suggesting you try it.
Denis
 
Mr Rogers said:
Darn if I didn't just pick up a 1930 Izhe HEX revciever Mosin at a local Duhams Sports store for $99.00 on sale. Nice figgured hard wood with only a couple dings has cartouches.. All the serial numbers are matching factory and no electro pencilng. Add another one to the pile but out the door at only $106 with tax. Going to set it out in the sun on foil now and clean it up.
Get back to you.
Feel like a school boy who just got his first date with a cheerleader !!!

In additional...the butt plate is matching with a hammer n cycle wreath russian crest on reciever, bayo is non marching and have to be fiutted. CAI import marks etched on the reciever.
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Damn, that's a great price! I was told by another poster that there was no Mosins for sale below $120! Great find!
 
Agree that most shoot high, but these two definitely hit inches below point of aim.

Just suggesting trying what the manual lays out as a starting point, especially since Cent says he thinks his sights may be low.
If it doesn't get on paper, try it on 1 at 100.

I'm not suggesting the 3 notch is the final zero point, just a beginning point. :)
Denis
 
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