david58
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Can I carry hand-loaded ammunition in my luggage traveling from CA to my home?
Do I have to go through an FFL in CA to ship it to myself?
Do I have to go through an FFL in CA to ship it to myself?
Ammo Going OUT of California
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RetiredUSNChief
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How are you traveling with the ammo?
If you're flying, there are TSA and airline rules to follow. Probably a quantity limit here, too.
If you're shipping, there will be shipping rules to follow with a carrier which will ship ammo (like from a UPS hub).
If you're driving your own vehicle or a rental, you just pack up and go.
If you're flying, there are TSA and airline rules to follow. Probably a quantity limit here, too.
If you're shipping, there will be shipping rules to follow with a carrier which will ship ammo (like from a UPS hub).
If you're driving your own vehicle or a rental, you just pack up and go.
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@RetiredUSNChief pretty much covered it. I'll just add that, if you're already making the drive, it's very unlikely that it'll be worth messing with shipping.
Bruce D Pease
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When we moved here from MA on 20. Mover wouldn’t carry ammo in the summer heat. He loaded the safe and contents. We had a layer of ammo cans under the luggage in the back of our Honda Pilot. No problem
AJC1
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Last time I checked they had a 20 pound ammo limit while flying, if your a match shooter that may matter, or have a huge hunting rifle.
TSA does not have a limit on ammo quantity. Most airlines that I've dealt with limit it to 11 lbs.
AJC1
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That's less than half
. Better find another way if it's a big match then....
Old Dog
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THIS. United, Delta, SW, Alaska, all 11 pounds max. Securely packaged. I use the MTM plastic boxes rather than factory boxes.
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david58
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I think I am going to let this one be....there is too much in the rules and regulations for ammunition purchase or transfer, and I think I am going to surrender and just ship brass and bullets home. The loaded stuff will stay, or we will work out a way to ship it via the CA transfer process. Noticing that I am being counseled by folks that don't live in CA, and nobody has flashed their legal beagle credentials, I am going to just play it safe and not mess with it.
David
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David
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The "CA transfer process" means nothing outside of CA, so using it isn't possible in your situation. You're bringing ammo to New Mexico (presumably), not California. Why would counsel from folks in California be of any use?
danez71
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Playing safe is safest.
However, you just pointed out "regulations for ammunition purchase or transfer".
You're not doing either from what you've said.
You are transporting.
If you're driving, don't have any loaded guns. There is no requirement to keep ammo separate & locked. (Keep guns in locked case, ammo could be stored in same locked case but not loaded)
If your flying, it's been stated above to follow tsa & airline rules.
None of the lawyers here (nor shoukd any lawyer) will give legal advice unless you hire them to be your attorney.
That's not being greedy on their part. They shouldn't be giving legal advice to non-clients.
RetiredUSNChief
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Excuse me, David, but you had two questions for us:
"Can I carry hand-loaded ammunition in my luggage traveling from CA to my home?"
"Do I have to go through an FFL in CA to ship it to myself?"
In both of these questions, there is no sale or transfer of ammunition from one person to another in the state of California. This would require processing through a licensed ammunition dealer in California.
Since you're not transferring the ammunition to another person in the state of California, there is no "transfer process" to go through.
You can take ammunition you purchased in California out of the state all you wish. You can also return to California with any ammunition you purchased in California, though nothing in the California laws says anything about how you prove that ammo was purchased wirhin California (so at least bring your receipts).
I do have a bit of feedback on something you said in this post:
"Noticing that I am being counseled by folks that don't live in CA, and nobody has flashed their legal beagle credentials, I am going to just play it safe and not mess with it."
This does not come across as very "High Road".
You posted your questions in an open forum on line and several of us provided good faith answers.
This is not a legal forum intended to dish out actual legal advice. It's a sub-category on a firearms forum where legal questions may be discussed. None of us here are claiming to be attorneys, nor are we posting our comments as legal advice.
Even if we WERE attorneys (there are a few actual attorneys on this site), we wouldn't be YOUR attorneys, whether licensed in California or not. If you want actual legal advice, then the proper way to get it would be to hire an attorney to provide that service. This would make the attorney YOUR attorney at that point.
Please take a gander at the following site which discusses California ammunition laws. This link provides links to the relevant CA statutes on the subject. I ALWAYS recommend reading the actual legal source documents as opposed to just someone's summary of them, by the way.
California Ammo Law
Questions about California ammo law? California is now one of only a few states that closely regulate the purchase, sale, or transfer of ammunition. Details here:
www.uslawshield.com
NOW...it's totally understandable that some people in California would be skiddish on matters related to firearms and firearms laws. California intentionally goes out of their way to create exactly that kind of intimidating atmosphere for people.
So it's understandable that some people would want to default to the absolute safest route possible. I certainly can't fault people who have been intimidated by their own government into believing they have to kowtow to overbearing tyrants out of fear of legal repercussions. It's a horrible way to live.
In the end, "you do you". But realize that, whether many of us here live in California or not, we're ALL here to learn and educate each other to the best of our abilities.
This is part of "The High Road" we walk on this site.
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david58
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Thank you.Excuse me, David, but you had two questions for us:
"Can I carry hand-loaded ammunition in my luggage traveling from CA to my home?"
"Do I have to go through an FFL in CA to ship it to myself?"
In both of these questions, there is no sale or transfer of ammunition from one person to another in the state of California. This would require processing through a licensed ammunition dealer in California.
Since you're not transferring the ammunition to another person in the state of California, there is no "transfer process" to go through.
You can take ammunition you purchased in California out of the state all you wish. You can also return to California with any ammunition you purchased in California, though nothing in the California laws says anything about how you prove that ammo was purchased wirhin California (so at least bring your receipts).
I do have a bit of feedback on something you said in this post:
"Noticing that I am being counseled by folks that don't live in CA, and nobody has flashed their legal beagle credentials, I am found to just play it safe and not mess with it."
This does not come across as very "High Road".
You posted your questions in an open forum on line and several of us provided good faith answers.
This is not a legal forum intended to dish out actual legal advice. It's a sub-category on a firearms forum where legal questions may be discussed. None of us here are claiming to be attorneys, nor are we posting our comments as legal advice.
Even if we WERE attorneys (there are a few actual attorneys on this site), we wouldn't be YOUR attorneys, whether licensed in California or not. If you want actual legal advice, then the proper way to get it would be to hire an attorney to provide that service. This would make the attorney YOUR attorney at that point.
Please take a gander at the following site which discusses California ammunition laws. This link provides links to the relevant CA statutes on the subject. I ALWAYS recommend reading the actual legal source documents as opposed to just someone's summary of them, by the way.
California Ammo Law
Questions about California ammo law? California is now one of only a few states that closely regulate the purchase, sale, or transfer of ammunition. Details here:
NOW...it's totally understandable that some people in California would be skiddish on matters related to firearms and firearms laws. California intentionally goes out of their way to create exactly that kind of intimidating atmosphere for people.
So it's understandable that some people would want to default to the absolute safest route possible. I certainly can't fault people who have been intimidated by their own government into believing they have to kowtow to overbearing tyrants out of fear of legal repercussions. It's a horrible way to live.
In the end, "you do you". But realize that, whether many of us here live in California or not, we're ALL here to learn and educate each other to the best of our abilities.
This is part of "The High Road" we walk on this site.
RetiredUSNChief
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You're welcome.
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david58
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Thanks to some wise PM counsel, from folks that have dealt with this process, the ammo and reloading components have made it from CA to their new home. Guns also made the move, weaving through the goofy CA maze of laws, and now reside in new locations.
Hopefully I was "High Road" enough, but I suppose if not I should expect another somewhat condescending lecture. Although it will make as bit a dent as the first one did.
Again, thanks to those that provided PMs on the topic, you were very helpful and because of your assistance I was able to get it all done.
Hopefully I was "High Road" enough, but I suppose if not I should expect another somewhat condescending lecture. Although it will make as bit a dent as the first one did.
Again, thanks to those that provided PMs on the topic, you were very helpful and because of your assistance I was able to get it all done.
Thank you to those who helped answer OP's question. Mission accomplished, case closed.
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