California Law Changes July 1 - Affects FFL Xfers

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Now when will all firearm manufacturers decide to do the right thing and stop selling, servicing, maintaining this injustice?
 
Since FFLs are federally licensed, the federal rules governing FFLs should pre-empt state attemps to regulate their activities.
 
Since FFLs are federally licensed, the federal rules governing FFLs should pre-empt state attemps to regulate their activities.
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Part of the federal licensing involves agreeing to follow Federal and State and Local laws.
 
Remember how often gun owners say "We sent them a message?" whenever anyone suggests the need for vigilance and action.

Could laws like this one be considered replies to that message?
 
Interesting that if you are an individual shipping a firearms to CA FFL holder, you don't need to get the approval letter...

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/cflcfaqs.php#2 said:
2. I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval letter before shipping a firearm to California?

No. The requirement to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval letter only applies to holders of valid FFLs.
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We had a hacker steal all your FFL and personal data.
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The data (licensee name, DBA, address, and FFL number) of every FFL in the country is already publicly available information, available from BATFE.
 
Interesting...

FWIW, the NRA did not oppose this law. Here's a March 2007 letter from NRA Liason Paul Payne regarding the NRA's position on AB2521.

Rick,

As promised, I looked into the AB2521 issue from the 2006 California Legislative Session. I am told that AB2521 was a bill that was sponsored by the CA-DOJ and it was not opposed by the California Association Firearms Retailers (CAFR).

Also, I have conferred with NRA's legal team and other NRA Staff and received the following:

The following is a quick summary of the effect of the changes to Penal Code section 12072(f) by Assembly Bill 2521:

Under Penal Code section 12072(f) federal firearms licensees are required to obtain a unique verification number for the recipient (if, and only if, the recipient is also a federal firearms licensee) from the California Department of Justice via the internet. This requirement is akin to the EZ Check system implemented by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

This section also requires the same seller to include a copy of the unique verification number along with the firearm to the recipient.

This requirement does not apply to private party sales processed through a California dealer where the out of state seller is an individual and not a federal firearms licensee.

This requirement is not in effect until July 1, 2008, and is subject to DOJ processing regulations.

Hopefully, this will calm-down anyone on the Internet, or other places, who thinks that the NRA didn't do it's (our) job. I look forward to reading the retractions and/or clarifications from those who quickly jumped to the wrong conclusions regarding AB2521.

If there is anything else I can do for you, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Paul
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Of course the NRA didn't oppose it. They aren't in this game for our rights. They're in this game for our money.
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That's bull. Maybe you missed this part in the mailing.

As promised, I looked into the AB2521 issue from the 2006 California Legislative Session. I am told that AB2521 was a bill that was sponsored by the CA-DOJ and it was not opposed by the California Association Firearms Retailers (CAFR).
 
FWIW, the NRA did not oppose this law. Here's a March 2007 letter from NRA Liason Paul Payne regarding the NRA's position on AB2521.
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Maybe you missed this part.

Point to any tangible legislation the NRA has stepped up and prevented from becoming law.
 
The gun issue may cause me to move at some point, but I've got some good business here that's unique to my location. If that changes, I'm out. What's good in Colorado? I've been snowboarding there a few times. The drops into powder rivaled great sex. I'm not a socially conservative dude. So, I need a place that's hip at least a little, preferably with access to snow resorts.
 
It is getting pretty rediculous here. After I finish my 4 years of undergrad work, I may look into getting graduate studies done in a different state, and seeing how I like it. Seems like the easiest way to move, but not completely move. I'll fight here until then, but its like they don't even listen. Oh, thats because they don't, and they vote for other people as well.
 
I'm also thinking there are commerce clause issues with this.

Anyway, the predictable result is that few FFL's will want to ship into the P.R. of California.
 
I'm in the same boat. My work is unique to CA, but if it comes time to change professions or retire, I'll be outta here.
But like jakemccoy, I'm a social liberal, so some gun-friendly states are not on my radar. Looking at Portland, OR (where I was born and extended family lives), Austin, TX or Seattle, WA...
 
and you CA residents keep electing people that do these things...
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Yes, we elected a republican governor. A lot of good that did us.

Not US Californians, OTHER Californians.

Let's see CA's failed firearm ban attempts crash and burn... all pro gun folks should just move out and let the crazies have the place!
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I hope they aren't teaching surrender in the Army these days.
 
I was going to comment on this thread, but since I live in California and this is a gun related forum, I needed to get an approval letter from the CADOJ.
I filled out form 3549.2, on the AG website, and submitted it, but was told that "http://thehighroad.org" was not a registered gun forum in the DOJ database.
So could one of the moderators/administrators here please go to the AG website, submit form 79419/A, submit the requisite fingerprint card, pay the annual registration fee, and mail in confirmation of rectal exam from a registered MD?
This would be very helpful because I have some really caustic remarks for the commenters here who think this legislation is unreasonable.
 
I expect that CAFR didn't oppose the bill since it pretty effectively removes a good chunk of the dealers' internet competition. Look at how many on the various forums are saying that they won't ship anything to CA any more. The downside for CA shooters is that less competition will mean they'll be paying higher prices.
 
Ok, now I'm ticked. I signed up on the CA DoJ web site as an FFL so that I could ship product to CA. In my confirmation email they sent back my login id and password as cleartext. The lack of security by the folks who created this thing certainly give me the warm fuzzies... NOT!!!!
 
Here the toilet paper scaned in: http://www.mdwguns.com/CADOJ.pdf

Sorry, no more sale to CA!
Time for the people of CA to go to SAC and do what the 2nd had in mind for a tyranny government which does not fear the people anymore!
Do I get now on a “Gestapo” list for writing this; so if/when I travel to CA I get arrested in the dark of the night on put in a prison with some Arabs??
 
I used to think I might like to live in CA. No longer. I guess it's one of those places where all you can say is: "It's a nice place to visit."
 
PS Is it too late to give SoCal back to Mexico?
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Why is it too late? They're going to take it with their reconquista effort in a generation anyways.

Liberals are busy handing it to them on a silver platter, complete with welfare checks and instate tuition for illegals.

-T
 
Dear God, would you people please stop trashing entire states based on gun laws. Not everyone in California is a pot-smoking, pinko, fruitcake. Sometimes people vote on issues more than just gun control- like gay rights. When the most important thing to you is something like gay marriage, you'll vote for the candidate that promises that- sometimes, those same candidates want gun control as well. So it's not that everyone in CA votes FOR gun control, it's often times they vote for something else, but gun control comes as part of the package.

The whole, "cut California" off crap needs to stop too. This isn't 2003, that rhetoric is old, and California will always be a state, like it or not. If you're not going to offer to help the people in these states, then don't bother with the negative comments. Everyone knows by now that CA gun laws aren't great. But they're not SO horrible that they can't be turned around. Guns are as much a cultural institution as a legal one. Get enough Californians shooting and hey, you may get AWs back, you may also get shall issue CCW.

Gun rights aside, much of California is very nice. Beautiful beaches, eclectic personalities- it isn't all THAT bad.

There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to move to any state in the union, bring my guns with me, and enjoy (relatively) the same carry rights.
 
I used to think I might like to live in CA. No longer. I guess it's one of those places where all you can say is: "It's a nice place to visit."
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I do not visit places which do not allow me to bring/carry my gun!
 
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