Announcement - Scorpion stocks, SBR and ATFE

[armoredman]

This is an announcement CZ-USA made on their Facebook page, copied to post here.


Scorpion Factory Stock to be Made Available This Summer
Since the release of the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol in October of 2014, CZ-USA has received many inquiries about the availability of the factory folding stock. It has always been CZ-USA’s intention to make the stock available to the public as soon as practicable.
Obviously, an approved Form 1 is required to convert the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol into an SBR. The ATF has informed us that 922r does apply, and their official parts count for the Scorpion Pistol is 16 parts. CZ-USA is currently in the process of manufacturing a number of US-made parts which we intend to sell both individually and as part of a kit to ensure that individuals manufacturing SBRs have the means to comply with 922r.
We’re also working closely with a number of US manufacturers to ensure a variety of US-made parts are available from sources other than CZ-USA. That being said, until more qualifying 922r compliance parts are available from aftermarket sources, the factory stock will only be available as part of the kit including the required compliance parts.
We expect to begin selling the stocks as part of a 922r compliance kit in late summer (earlier if at all possible).
Retail cost of the compliance kit will be very reasonable, ensuring that a CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 SBR will remain one of the most reasonably priced pistol-caliber carbines available to the public.

 

[Thermactor]

What, exactly, does the Scorpion pistol do that an AR pistol won't do better?

 

[armoredman]

Well, no SPROINGGG in the ear, for one thing. Also, you're almost comparing apples to oranges, as the AR is a cut down RIFLE and the Scorpion is a cut down semi-auto SUBMACHINEGUN clone.
For me, it's better because it ISN'T an AR - never could warm up to the design, especially after firing an M16A1 on an Army range in 1984.
Like whatever you wish, I like my CZ made Scorpion pistol. It IS my cup of tea.

https://youtu.be/MTbAG9gNGrQ

 

[wally]

What, exactly, does the Scorpion pistol do that an AR pistol won't do better?

Work with a folding stock when you make it into an SBR.

I really want to see the price on these and the 922r conversion kit. Wife and I love our AR 9mm SBRs but since 9mm is the new .22lr it'd be nice to add some more variety

 

[Sam1911]

What, exactly, does the Scorpion pistol do that an AR pistol won't do better?

...Apparently bring out the joyless wet blanket "AR-uber-alles" dood to poop in every thread?



Seriously, though, folks -- please remember that here at THR we like to keep threads tightly focused on topic. So...back to the very important 922r discussion:



The ATF's attitude on whether 922r applies "retroactively" to imported (technically) handguns which are then converted to Title II NFA rifles has been pretty clear for a while now, but it still surprises a lot of people. If you make something a rifle -- any kind of rifle -- it is a rifle and all the rifle rules apply, including 922r.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

...Apparently bring out the joyless wet blanket "AR-uber-alles" dood to poop in every thread?



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You beat me to it Sam.

I've been debating about getting one of these and going the SBR route. I just don't know if it's worth the effort though. I'm torn between this and a Beretta CX4. I don't think I can drop the cash on either until I handle a Scorpion.

What, exactly, does the Scorpion pistol do that an AR pistol won't do better?

Make less noise than an AR pistol.

 

[armoredman]

I will have to establish a savings fund, first for the Form 1, then for the compliance kit. I want this as an SBR - it's too much fun even as is.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Armoredman, did you get that issue taken care of where your trigger finger was rubbing on the ambi safety?

 

[WestKentucky]

I hadn't considered 922r on another long term project...that may not be doable on that particular gun now that I think about it.

 

[armoredman]

I did, Kodiak, involved a hacksaw blade and a file, and no, I'm not kidding.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Yikes. Sounds like a pain. Probably worth it though.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I'll be following this one closely. I'm interested in the Scorpion but I won't consider buying until the 922r implications (price wise) are clear. I have an HK USC awaiting UMP conversion so I don't need another import that will require $1500 of worth of compliance work!

 

[armoredman]

It won't be $1500 for a compliance kit, not from the rumors I'm hearing, very likely MUCH less than that, but they haven't gotten the kit together yet. Making a kit that costs more than the original firearm would be a deal breaker for a lot of people.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I read an article about a kit in the works on a popular gun blog today but no pricing info was provided. I can't get too worked up over the Scorpion until I see what 922r parts will cost since I have no interest in just a giant 9mm pistol.

 

[PabloJ]

What, exactly, does the Scorpion pistol do that an AR pistol won't do better?

It's uglier and makes a lot less noise than classically chambered AR-15. Now one can be truly blessed by paying extra government fee to get few inches off the barrel, mamma mia!

 

[george burns]

Ok I am not a lover or a hater, just a questioner. What purpose does this clunky gun serve in semi auto. The thing was designed to be a machine gun right?
So why would anyone pat 1500 for a 9mm pistol that really was not very easy to carry or present in a pinch?
If you could have it in full auto with a suppressor, then I would love to have one.
The only reason I have an AR is that I need a rifle.

 

[armoredman]

The only reason I don't have an AR is I don't like them.
Seriously, when did this become an AR vs Scorpion battle? If you don't like it and love your ARs, I wish you the best and have a nice day.
The cost of the basic Scorpion is about half that, george, MSRP $849, and actually going for less than that where the demand hasn't driven prices up, as it is here and there. If the purchaser is a LEO, it can go all the way down to $650 or so through CZ-USA LEO program.
I enjoy it, as right now it's a fun gun that I like to shoot at the range. It can also be a good HD firearm, as I don't know of a single pistol of the traditional styles that has standard 30 round magazines. Only my CZ-P09 comes closest with the largest flush fit production mag at 19 rounds. Do I think I will NEED 30 rounds of 9mm for HD? Nope, and Custer didn't think he NEEDED those Gatling guns, either. Nice to have if you need it, especially since I don't know anyone who wears spare mags to bed.
Yes, I'm hoping the cost of the compliance kit keeps the whole shebang down below the cost of the mythical MPX, being that it actually DOES exist.
I also never had any idea why anyone would want an AR pistol in a full size rifle caliber, seemed a waste of potential for the cartridge, but hey, if you want one, have fun with it.
In the meantime, I'm having fun.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Glad you're diggin' it, Armoredman! I agree- I don't know the AR guys can't wrap their heads around someone buying _____________. When someone buys a new double shottie for .45 LC for cowboy shooting people don't shout them down and tell them they need an AR! Maybe they're too tacticool to admit to buying a gun just for the fun of shooting it. I could shoot a Scorpion on my local range where rifles aren't allowed, too.

 

[george burns]

Sorry I was thinking of this one,http://www.slickguns.com/product/pof-5kx-9mm-pistol-package-1525

 

[HOOfan_1]

Sorry I was thinking of this one,http://www.slickguns.com/product/pof-5kx-9mm-pistol-package-1525

That's insane...I had no idea those Pakistani HK knockoffs cost that much.

 

[dogmush]

I HAVE a 9mm AR, and like the idea of this little thing.

George, if you aren't going to supress it a 9mm SBR is a really handy little gun for use in close. Probably a home as you're right it's a little bulky for CCW. It makes way less noise and blast then a comparably sized intermediate rifle cartridge, shoots a known effective round and in general, for most folks, a stocked weapon is a lot easier to shoot accurately then a pistol.

So if you are looking for a serious use, it's pretty good at home defense. (Not perfect, but pretty good). If you don't need a serious use I can tell you that a 9mm SBR is an absolute blast to shoot at a range and run through any kind of carbine course. The lack of noise and blast, and low recoil make for a really fun gun to shoot. Plus it's economical to feed.

I might end up with an EVO 3 after I see what the stock kits look and price like. It can keep my AR company.

 

[Pilot]

I like AR's, and I like this pistol, and the concept of an affordable 9MM carbine that is everything an MP-5 is, and I applaud CZ for marketing this to civilians, and coming out with an SBR kit. CZ is a class act.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I have really been wanting one but I'm going to have to check out the new 9mm "pistol" from POF. Pretty good looking, US made (no 922r issues), uses the 32 round Colt mags and is supposed to MSRP at $999. Looks like a blowback AR but with a magwell designed for a double stack 9mm mag. Not as sexy as the Scorpion but probably a lot cheaper once compliance stuff is added in.

Note that this assumes we're talking making it into an SBR. As a pistol I'd just stick with the Scorpion if I wanted a giant 9mm handgun.