Another movie conmplaint/rant

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Apparently the producers of 'cattlecar' (a very old MAD magazine satire of battle star) never saw the movie SPEED with Keanu ... long/short what do you do when the bad guy has a hostage at gun point--- you shoot the hostage to take them out of the equation, you need to see the movie to understand what i am getting at.
However, on the Russian note, I remember hearing that they use to use or still do use AP ammo for hostage situations to shoot through the hostage to get the BG.
 
Me I shoot the window out, grab the girl, hang on and watch him get sucked into space. Movies are for entertainment not training. And going for a head shot on someone with a hostage, even at close range, is a great way to kill the hostage. But what do I know...
 
Never give up your weapon. Is this a trick question, or does somebody need to get a life?
 
Most important, is the hostage my ex-wife?
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would that cause a flinched trigger?

i'll add this for folks who haven't planned for this eventuality (the original situation, not the ex-wife part) if you aren't comfortable taking the shot, it is better to back out...or better yet not go in at all. if you aren't committed to taking the shot, the best outcome you could hope for would that you'd just be another hostage
 
I don't understand the references to shooting the hostages instead of the bad guy. :confused: Is that sort of thing supposed to be humorous? Well, it isn't unless the hostage deserves to die more, for some reason.
 
Usually one would elect to shoot the BG who is holding the Hostage.

If one is a good shot, the left Eye is in theory the best spot to acheive, right eye next as desirable, if possible.

If one is not a good shot, then one does what one can and hopes to not hit part of the Hostage.

Far as I know, that is the drill on that.

If the hostage can somehow be communicated with, to suddenly drop, just go 'limp', this allows an advantage then to the situation being resolved.
 
I like the "you drop-I shoot" idea. but it has one MASSIVE hole in it. What if the BG is already supporting the hostages weight, not enough to completely lift them from the ground but just enough so that they can't drop? OR what if the hostage is a rather light person and their weight just simply isn't enough to move the BG?

My idea is shoot the nutter in the knee. It's relatively stationary compared to the upper torso (especially if the hostage is struggling to get away) and if you're using a 9mm +P or higher you'll shatter his kneecap and drop him to the ground. Which would make a relatively simple disarm. Of course this idea is completly useless if the BG is on drugs but in these sort of situations you absolutely NEED more than one plan.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT trained for any sort of self defense. So if any of this sounds like a crock of crap don't be afraid to say so.
 
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What if the BG is already supporting the hostages weight, not enough to completely lift them from the ground but just enough so that they can't drop? OR what if the hostage is a rather light person and their weight just simply isn't enough to move the BG?
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I bet that doesn't happen very often; it's too much work. Even if the BG is supporting all but 40 lbs. of weight, that 40lbs. is going to make a big difference when they have to try to support it all of a sudden.
 
Oyeboten said:
Another option, is to put your Gun up to your own Head, and, tell the BG Hostage-holder, "Let her go! Or else!"


( Sorry, couldn't resist...)
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Now that's a good one!:cool:

Seriously, in that scenario, I'd use the element of surprise and wouldn't hesitate to shoot several times
 
DISCLAIMER: I am NOT trained for any sort of self defense. So if any of this sounds like a crock of crap don't be afraid to say so.
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it is, but at least it shows you've given it some thought ;)

the point is to stop the trigger finger from moving...if the muzzle of the bad guy's gun is pressed against them.

the problem of suddenly falling, is that most people can't...really, they have to be taught to become dead weight if they are still conscious...it stems from the innate fear of falling

as i posted earlier, my co-worker and i worked out our response to a hostage incident (our situation did not offer the option of waiting for SWAT)...and we practiced the mechanics of true dropping (it's faster than falling)

I know it's easy to joke about the movies but it is a serious question. Definitely I wouldn't drop the gun, but what next?
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if you're not ready to shoot at that point, why would you even be there? your only option at that point is to run out...bluffing doesn't work when they are willing to call
 
@9mmepiphany: To stop the buggers hammer from falling I see only 2 ways of doing that. 1) put a bullet in his eye so the bullet hits the "apricot" and he drops like a sack of potatoes or 2) taking the firearm of his posession. And in the said situation there's no real easy way to do that. So i'm going to suggest a revision to my "idea". This is the lesser of two evils in a situation where you don't know anyone involved.Shoot the hostage in the thigh so the hostage drops giving you a clear center-mass target.
 
Well i was watchin a show yesterday and the BG had a double barrel shotgun (breech loader)and after the first shot fired you heard an audible racking of the SG as if he had a pump.lol
 
the problem of suddenly falling, is that most people can't...really, they have to be taught to become dead weight if they are still conscious...it stems from the innate fear of falling

as i posted earlier, my co-worker and i worked out our response to a hostage incident (our situation did not offer the option of waiting for SWAT)...and we practiced the mechanics of true dropping (it's faster than falling)
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In case of a hostage situation in which a BG is holding a gun or knife on her, I taught my wife to do a parachute roll. She understands that I'd be doing this too just in case.
 
LHRGunslinger said:
This is the lesser of two evils in a situation where you don't know anyone involved.Shoot the hostage in the thigh so the hostage drops giving you a clear center-mass target.
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That would seem to prompt the bad guy to either shoot the hostage or you, and that's on top of the hostage potentially receiving a fatal wound from the supposed good guy anyway.

There is no safe or good solution to this problem, so I think I'd take my chances with a quick head shot on the bad guy. While this may be a movie cliché in its own right, I'm pretty confident that I could do it since I practice this shot (essentially) quite a bit as part of my triple-tap training (Mozambique drill), and I almost always hit the head at 7 yards in rapid fire. While I don't keep track of my actual hit percentage, misses are rare these days as my flash sight picture has tightened up (and if I can deliberately aim instead of shooting quickly, then I'll hit the bad guy's head, no sweat). I'd take those odds over surrendering or putting a bullet in the hostage any day of the week.
 
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