Zesty
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147 HST looks fine to me...
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Another, serious 9mm ammo question
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TStorm
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I use the Corbon DPX with the all-copper Barnes bullets. I've seen a few "diggers" at the range pull these out with a very consistent, narly flower-peddle type expansion, much like the the Barnes hunting rounds.
I've heard this attributed to the consistency of the metal throughout the projectile vs. lead core/JHP.
These are only available in 115-grain. I don't know how they compare to the other Corbon PD lines. Anyone experienced any downside to these?
I've heard this attributed to the consistency of the metal throughout the projectile vs. lead core/JHP.
These are only available in 115-grain. I don't know how they compare to the other Corbon PD lines. Anyone experienced any downside to these?
SamG.
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Cor-Bon or Gold Dot
The Canuck
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I'm okay with the 124gr. Speer Gold Dots I have for my P229R.
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The weakness of the article is that it uses obsolete ammo as a reference point. Modern 147's to include the +P HST's and Golden Sabre's perform very well. Search around and check tha gelatin 
BikerRN
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Duty Load is 115 Grain +P+ JHP.
Off Duty I can carry what I want and carry either that or the Corbon 115 Grain +P DPX JHP. As far as the 147 Grain loads, no thanks, I saw them fail once, years ago, don't care to repeat it.
BikerRN
Off Duty I can carry what I want and carry either that or the Corbon 115 Grain +P DPX JHP. As far as the 147 Grain loads, no thanks, I saw them fail once, years ago, don't care to repeat it.
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Speedo66
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Our issue load is a 147gr subsonic hollow point. They work fine through our Glocks, with no history of jamming.
Are there better loads out there? Depends on what characteristics you're looking for, location of use, etc. We work primarily indoors so there is a fear of over penetration.
It's what I must carry if I wish to be indemnified (and stay out of our IG's office) so it's what I carry.
Are there better loads out there? Depends on what characteristics you're looking for, location of use, etc. We work primarily indoors so there is a fear of over penetration.
It's what I must carry if I wish to be indemnified (and stay out of our IG's office) so it's what I carry.
I'm a huge fan of DT's ammo. They put out ammo just as hot as Buffalo Bore, but without the astronomical price.
I actually use their 158gr. 357mag load as my woods/hiking load in my SP101.
Their ammo feeds reliably, and is extremely accurate. I also like that there tends not to be too much flash with their rounds, so they are better if you have to shoot at night (won't blind you).
They are as good an ammo manufacturer as any, and better than the majority. I trust my life to their products.
As for them not being street proven...huh?
They load a 124 grSpeer Gold dot (which is VERY proven) to 1300fps. If a 124gr 9mm GDHP moving at 1300fps is a proven load, it really doesn't matter who's name is the box of ammo right?
It's not like the bad guy is going to get hit and say, "Well now, that was painful, but since that round was loaded by DT and not Speer, I'm going to keep attacking you now."
A gold dot moving at 1300 fps is a gold dot at 1300fps. Why would it matter if the round is loaded by DT or a major manufacturer (Speer, winchester, Federal, etc...)
rollback88
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Hawkes is an idiot - period.
Studying various gel tests, I went with the 147gr Federal Hydra Shok (could be any number of other brands just as effective) for the extra weight, consistent opening, and - most important for me - the reduced penetration as compared to the lighter bullets. If the first round doesn't work, I've got 17 more where that came from.
--jcd
Studying various gel tests, I went with the 147gr Federal Hydra Shok (could be any number of other brands just as effective) for the extra weight, consistent opening, and - most important for me - the reduced penetration as compared to the lighter bullets. If the first round doesn't work, I've got 17 more where that came from.
--jcd
1. Chuck Hawks didn't write this article
2. You can't even spell his name right! If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least spell their name right.
Why not read the article before condemning the content?
I wasn't trying to suggest that Chuck Hawks is or is not an idiot. I have no idea and I don't really care. I was pointing out a viewpoint that was outlined with some vigor in an internet-published article, and asking for some suggestions as to the validity of the argument.
I like how so many people choose to ignore the issue of the validity of the argument, and instead attack a person who did not even write the article.
Sheesh!
Anyways thx everyone for these suggestions and discussions, it's interesting to say the least. I am not sure I am any closer to making a confident choice but at least I am more informed day by day.
hotpig
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The article is pretty dated and is of no real use today. Chuck tends to run ten years behind on ammo so he gets the blame for the article.
Bullet weight decision is really up to personal preference. Thanks to technology one weight is not that far in performance than the other. Some guns prefer one weight or bullet profile or the others.
There is no easy answer to the question of bullet weight, brand, caliber, +P, or to not +P. You can ask a 100 people and get a 100 different answers.
Many of us have migrated from caliber and bullet weights and brands as technology changed. I started off with the 9mm subsonic. It was the best thing since sliced bread. I woke up on day and suddenly over night sub sonic was junk and I had to switch to 115+P+.
By 1998 the rules made a drastic change. Winchester redesigned a 1978 bullet so that it performed in compact and full size guns. Suddenly velocity became a almost irrelevant number.
Bottom line is you are going to have to get range time and make up your own mind.
Bullet weight decision is really up to personal preference. Thanks to technology one weight is not that far in performance than the other. Some guns prefer one weight or bullet profile or the others.
There is no easy answer to the question of bullet weight, brand, caliber, +P, or to not +P. You can ask a 100 people and get a 100 different answers.
Many of us have migrated from caliber and bullet weights and brands as technology changed. I started off with the 9mm subsonic. It was the best thing since sliced bread. I woke up on day and suddenly over night sub sonic was junk and I had to switch to 115+P+.
By 1998 the rules made a drastic change. Winchester redesigned a 1978 bullet so that it performed in compact and full size guns. Suddenly velocity became a almost irrelevant number.
Bottom line is you are going to have to get range time and make up your own mind.
BHPshooter
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While I don't dislike the 147-grain loads in 9mm, I don't really like them, either. Of course, some of the newer 147-grain loads perform really well, like the Gold Dot, Golden Saber, and HST.
Personally, I'm happy with a standard pressure 124-grain bullet... But half of the fun is trying all sorts of different loads to see what you like best.
Wes
Personally, I'm happy with a standard pressure 124-grain bullet... But half of the fun is trying all sorts of different loads to see what you like best.
Wes
evan price
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147gr Gold Dots work fine for me, but the "short-barrel" loadings are pretty good in 124gr +P Gold Dots.
Modern SD ammo has come a long way since 1987.
Modern SD ammo has come a long way since 1987.
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