Another student "Thought Crime"

[Prince Yamato]

Wasn't 'giving all students bullet-proof vests' one of the suggestions by the antis after the VT shooting? Isn't the kid just following their advice?

 

[Ghost Tracker]

Again, you've got an individual being subjected to Trial in the Court of Public Opinion with a biased, uneducated media goofus providing all the "evidence".

If you can get arrested for what you're thinking, then at this point they better come put the cuffs on me 'cause I thinking we need to declare Open Season on...reporters!

 

[wally]

Bottom line is that it's probobly best to keep your enthusiasm for firearms a secret on campus. I will be from now on

And when they come for the jews, look the other way....

--wally.

 

[ColinthePilot]

I was under the impression that one needed a license of some sort to own body armor. I'm also pretty sure that pepper spray is considered a weapon in the context of a school in florida; not allowed on campus. And If he's stockpiling, I don't want to know what I'm getting ready to shoot up.

Originally posted by Chris BI go to college in Florida as well. Yesterday, during class discussion, my teacher asked me what I'm interested in. I was actually pondering the 12 Guage Rifle From Hell thread at that moment so without thinking I said "Guns". The ENTIRE class (mostly girls) turned to look at me after I said that and most of them were looking like I was the VT shooter.

There was another thread about a student who was detained by police because a fellow student had called police because she saw him on one of these forums discussing the process of purchasing a firearm in CA. When she called the police she said he was discussing the illegal purchase of machineguns or something else that was completely inaccurate. In the end the police searched him to make sure he wasn't armed and let him go.

Bottom line is that it's probobly best to keep your enthusiasm for firearms a secret on campus. I will be from now on.

Nahh, don't keep it quiet. Make friends with the hottest terrified girl in the class. I don't care how anti she is. Chances are she's simply inexperienced. Invite her out to the range. Guaranteed to get a second date, provided the first weapon you give her to shoot is something unintimidating. Don't hand her a .45 or your favorite $#**kicking moose rifle. Give her a .22, something she can handle. Invite her over the night before and pick a few weapons to familiarize her with, along with a good first-timer's safety lesson.
My buddy and I did this with a couple Irish girls who were spending their summer in Daytona Beach. The only time either one had ever seen a gun was on a cop's belt in Heathrow. We had them over and showed them our big bad scary assault rifles (SKS's) and a few others, went over the basics of shooting safety, I grilled up some steaks for dinner and we took them to the range the next day. Got to introduce two people to guns and the personal results were good too.

 

[MASTEROFMALICE]

Interestingly enough, I had made that same argument after the LA riots. No one mentioned that King was a lunatic and a criminal who was running from and fighting the police. The media showed the same five seconds of video over and over again and told one tenth the story.

The result? You saw it. The media wanted hype so they made their own and we all paid the price.

I think it's time to charge all the reporters with inciting violence for their reporting of school shootings. Obviously after the first one they are all copycats that would not have happened without the broadcast media putting the idea in their malformed little heads.

 

[highfive]

I'm still wondering.....what he got arrested for???? For purchasing guns and ammo, isn't the guy 18, legal I'm guessing. Well I'll be waiting to see what happens....

 

[BReilley]

You've got to admit it looks bad when you walk into *school* wearing body armor. Sure, he might've been trying to make a political statement - but that kind of symbolic action seems to be taken more by the anti-gun crowd.

As for shooting at a newspaper box, who knows? You find ALL KINDS of junk like that out in the desert here in Arizona. Just because it's there doesn't mean "I" put it there, and well... if I saw a rusty old newspaper box in the desert, I'd assume some junkie scored meth money out of it and left it... and then I'd probably shoot at it, too.

All in all I'd want to slap the guy for being an idiot wearing armor to school - I mean... come on. The kid is irresponsible and gives the rest of us a bad image as "gun people" - but criminal? Not in my eyes, not without something else to go on.

 

[Fletchette]

Mark my words: people, probably students first, will start being questioned for checking the "wrong" books out of the library. After that, those "wrong" books will be disposed of.

Universities do NOT promote free thought. They promote conformity under the guise of anarchy.

 

[zxcvbob]

It looks to me like they somehow used the armored vest to get a search warrant for his house, then went on a fishing expedition. Probably arrested him for armed tresspass, etc. from the contents of the video of him shooting up a newspaper box.

It would be interesting to see what the warrant was specifically for...

 

[jefnvk]

I think the question to be asking, is it illegal to have whatever gas grenade he had at school.

If so, it probably wasn't the best idea to draw attention to ones self with a kevlar vest.

 

[Fletchette]

Blackbeard said:

I think it's time to charge all the reporters with inciting violence for their reporting of school shootings. Obviously after the first one they are all copycats that would not have happened without the broadcast media putting the idea in their malformed little heads.

You might have a case here, if you could tie it to the classic "screaming 'fire' in a movie theatre" argument. If the reporters knowingly terrify people with false information then they can be charged.

You would have to prove damages, though. The case cited, where a student is arrested for having a bullet resistant vest, would be damages. He would not have worn the vest (not that this is illegal) and therefore never have been arrested, if it was not for reporters knowingly terrifying people with false information. A lawsuit (actually several, against the reporters and the police) is justified.

The first amemdment was never intended to allow people to incite violence. The framers never imagined electronic media that enables people to reach millions at once. The first amendment should only apply to hand-powered printing presses.

Sarcasm noted.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I was under the impression that one needed a license of some sort to own body armor.

Certainly not here in Texas. Body armor generally only becomes a crime if you are wearing it when you commit a violent offense, then it becomes one of those "piling on" things.

 

[Ithaca37]

Why couldn't he have been wearing the vest out of fear of another school shooting? There have been several in the past few weeks.

Did he threaten anyone? I am still unsure why he got in trouble?

 

[6_gunner]

On what basis was a search warrant issued for his house???

As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything illegal.

How did they know he was wearing a bullet-proof vest? Aren't they normally worn under one's clothing? If he was wearing it outside his regular clothing, is it possible that is was supposed to be some sort of protest to the denial of the right to self defence on campus?

The whole thing sounds fishy to me. I don't think we're getting all the information.

 

[Creature]

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[The Annoyed Man]

Don't Tase Me Bro'!!!

 

[Stephen21B]

This is why I joined the Army instead of going to college I can only imagine what the media would say if my house was searched...

 

[macadore]

When I was in college (a long long time ago) many of us kept shotguns in our dorm rooms so we could go hunting without having to drive many miles to our homes to get our guns. I guess that would make us criminals by today’s standards.

 

[strat81]

This is why I joined the Army instead of going to college I can only imagine what the media would say if my house was searched...

So? That just means that you'd be described as a former soldier and current mercenary instead of a college student due to your "scary cache of evil weapons and ammunition!!!" You are now extra lethal since you have military training. And, regardless of what you did in the service, you will become an estranged former Special Ops Black Beret Operator SEAL Ranger.

And in all seriousness, thank you for serving.

 

[ishida]

Hm. I seriously wonder what would happen if I were to wear a bullet-resistant vest to school, and was found out...

"Hey dude, let me try and stab you with my pencil!" probably. And many of us know that a bullet-resistant vest isn't all that much knife-resistant.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Bullet Resistant Vest-$200
Surplus Gas Mask-$25
Semiauto AK Copy-$400
Video Camera-$200
Tear Gas Grenade-$15
Tazer-$350
Shotgun-$200
Getting arrested and charged with a felony for not being in line with the liberal norm-not exactly priceless, I bet it'll cost him dearly.

 

[Ridgeway]

i'd love to see the police report b/c i can't tell much from that report
what was the actual crime? i see the 'charges', but what was the crime?

ok stupid (and uncomfortable) to wear the vest- but honestly can one blame him? most schools prohibit ccdw leaving more defensive/safety options (i'd be interested to know why he was wearing it though- likely there is more to the true story)
i assume the vest was worn outside/on top of his reg. clothes thus was alot more conspicuous- unless he was just trying to make a statement, logic advise wearing it underneath...

I go to college in Florida as well. Yesterday, during class discussion, my teacher asked me what I'm interested in. I was actually pondering the 12 Guage Rifle From Hell thread at that moment so without thinking I said "Guns". The ENTIRE class (mostly girls) turned to look at me after I said that and most of them were looking like I was the VT shooter.

There was another thread about a student who was detained by police because a fellow student had called police because she saw him on one of these forums discussing the process of purchasing a firearm in CA. When she called the police she said he was discussing the illegal purchase of machineguns or something else that was completely inaccurate. In the end the police searched him to make sure he wasn't armed and let him go.

Bottom line is that it's probobly best to keep your enthusiasm for firearms a secret on campus. I will be from now on.

i know what you mean, i avoid going to forums like gt w/the big gun banners on top after reading the post you mentioned about some1 calling the police for a student looking @ a gun site
thehighroad is @ least low key & pretty safe i think

 

[TexasRifleman]

Tampa Florida reporter claims to have exchanged emails with this with the guy.

“All that can be stated is there is no criminal intent nor was there, things are being blown out of proportion.”

That's from Tampa Bay channel 10 website, but it won't link directly.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Here it is, the thought crime. A flat out admission that nothing was going on except fear mongering.

From the local police that arrested the kid:

"The concern here, I believe, is if he were to become of that mind set," Smith said. "He would have the skills, the opportunity and the resources to do something if he chose to."

So that tells us all we need to know I think.

As for the bulletproof vest, his mom says

"He was very paranoid and scared of going to school because of all the stuff that happens at school," Jessie Newberry said.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/10/17/295704.html

 

[Joe the Redneck]

OK, a few things to consider.

When you look at the website for the "Lifeskills Center" he was enrolled in, it is full of p.c. words like "at risk youth" and "face many challenges". Back in my day, those words meant "troubled kid."

So a troubled kid shows up at the "school for troubled kids" wearing body armor. I would figure the teachers thought he was going to shoot the place up and wanted to protect himself in case the police decided to return fire.
What his actual intentions were, we'll never know. But on the surface, it looked bad.

Now consider the fact the we just had a school shooting, I understand why people would panic.

I don't think the kid should have been arrested, but what else were the teachers supposed to do? They had to call the cops, the cops had to arrest him.

I hope that it works out for him and everything is OK, but if I had a kid in that school, I'd be greatful they didn't decide to "just hope for the best" when something looked suspicious.

Joe