ClickClickD'oh
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yesit'sloaded
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If I had to go to school with today's troubled youth I would wear a vest too.
Umm...Isn't that every single one of us as well? I don't shoot up a school every day and yet I have the skills, opportunity, and resources to do it. This is nothing more than further evidence of a growing police state and the death of innocent until proven guilty.
Umm...Isn't that every single one of us as well? I don't shoot up a school every day and yet I have the skills, opportunity, and resources to do it. This is nothing more than further evidence of a growing police state and the death of innocent until proven guilty.
RoadkingLarry
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What a crock. I hope this kid can afford a good shyster. Heck if I was to "become of that mind set" I know ways to do a whole lot more damage than a shoot-em-up. The thought police are here quick hide!
Ohio Rifleman
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As far as we know, the kid committed no crime and should not have been arrested. If the vest freaked people out, tough. I could say that people wearing red shirts scares me. Should red shirts be banned from campus then?
OK... he wore a vest.
From what I can gather, a "Life Center" is as mentioned earlier a place for troubled youth-- or it is an Adult Education Center or whatever.
For all we know, it may well be a place you would want a layer of protection.
I know that there are traditional school systems where I may want something like that.
Next... where were these grenades or the taster? With him at school? Or were they at his home and found only after the search?
I am assuming that the firearms and ammunition were at his home-- or there would be no "alleged" in the story.
And finally... Where the HELL is the Grand Theft? I find it amazing how they just gloss over that and move on with NO explaination.
Frankly, I haven't seen ONE illegal thing that this person has done.
There are things that some may do differently, but nothing that comes CLOSE to the damage that they've done to this man already.
I'd be looking for damages.
-- John
From what I can gather, a "Life Center" is as mentioned earlier a place for troubled youth-- or it is an Adult Education Center or whatever.
For all we know, it may well be a place you would want a layer of protection.
I know that there are traditional school systems where I may want something like that.
Next... where were these grenades or the taster? With him at school? Or were they at his home and found only after the search?
I am assuming that the firearms and ammunition were at his home-- or there would be no "alleged" in the story.
And finally... Where the HELL is the Grand Theft? I find it amazing how they just gloss over that and move on with NO explaination.
Frankly, I haven't seen ONE illegal thing that this person has done.
There are things that some may do differently, but nothing that comes CLOSE to the damage that they've done to this man already.
I'd be looking for damages.
-- John
Big Boomer
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So, besides the taser, and bullet proof vest I have about everything he does. I think that just about everyone of us could get arrested!
What about the kids that are packing those new "bullet proof" backpacks? That is considered body armor. I guess they should be arrested to.
They should put out an APB on everyone that videos themselves shooting, a quick search of youtube can land multiple suspects!
I keep a gas mask (2) in the house but mainly if I had a fire. I have actually used one of these successfully when I had a fire in an apartment and woke up choking. I put on the gas mask so I could breath and put out the fire. This is why I have one for every family member in the house, they are kept close by in the bedroom.
Oh and a black helmet hrmm, mine aren't black but I've got a few kevlar, old military issue and a couple of steel pots to. Anyone own some of that "evil" tactical camo? I like them for all the pockets, and they are cheap.
I hope the kid learns his lesson about a stupid stunt to get attention but then I hope he sues their a$$ for wrongful arrest.
I had just as much stuff when I was 18 (minus the above listed) and other points have been noted that a bullet proof vest may not be a bad idea in todays public education facilities.
What about the kids that are packing those new "bullet proof" backpacks? That is considered body armor. I guess they should be arrested to.
They should put out an APB on everyone that videos themselves shooting, a quick search of youtube can land multiple suspects!
I keep a gas mask (2) in the house but mainly if I had a fire. I have actually used one of these successfully when I had a fire in an apartment and woke up choking. I put on the gas mask so I could breath and put out the fire. This is why I have one for every family member in the house, they are kept close by in the bedroom.
Oh and a black helmet hrmm, mine aren't black but I've got a few kevlar, old military issue and a couple of steel pots to. Anyone own some of that "evil" tactical camo? I like them for all the pockets, and they are cheap.
I hope the kid learns his lesson about a stupid stunt to get attention but then I hope he sues their a$$ for wrongful arrest.
I had just as much stuff when I was 18 (minus the above listed) and other points have been noted that a bullet proof vest may not be a bad idea in todays public education facilities.
JohnMcD348
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http://www.theledger.com/article/20071017/NEWS/710170537/1039
There's a link to the article in the local paper. I work just a block away from the school where tis man attended. It's one of those places that caters(via govt speical funding) for displaced students and basically is a GED mill. I haven't even been able to catch anything on the local news. The first report I heard was on FoxNews this morning while I was gettting ready for work.
There's a link to the article in the local paper. I work just a block away from the school where tis man attended. It's one of those places that caters(via govt speical funding) for displaced students and basically is a GED mill. I haven't even been able to catch anything on the local news. The first report I heard was on FoxNews this morning while I was gettting ready for work.
spaceCADETzoom
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BWAAAHAHAHAAAAA!
Yeah, instead you just opened yourself up to random "health & welfare" checks, where your first line is perfectly within legal rights to search your home, belongings, car, etc, forany reason given by the chain.. If you live on post, you now must register your guns with the provost marshal...get a signed permissory memo from your commander...required to store your weapons in your company arms room under a lock and key that you have no rights to. All about force protection..
I love the Army. BUt I'm squashing this bug right now. Soldiers do not know anything more about guns in general than anyone else does...they're trained on their individual weapons, and if you're talking about pogues...hoo boy...be afraid. The second we start thinking that "being in the Army" is some special criteria for knowing/owning guns...the second you start believing that antis' BS that you need governmetn madate to privately own. Ask Wesley Clark...or Himmler...
FieroCDSP
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In some places, stealing a newspaper box is considered grand theft, for whatever reason. Kinda like stealing milk-crates. So basicly, they used the fact he was wearing a vest (by his mother's admission because he was concerned for his safety) to search his vehicle at school. They found a can of pepper spray (supposedly a grenade?), which is considered some heinous crime now. We wouldn't want women to have pepper spray in their car or in their purse because they could temporarily blind someone to effect their escape.... They got a warrant, searched his HOME, found the LEGALLY purchased guns and ammo, and a video of him and his friends shooting up a paperbox, generally plinking and having a good time.....
Did I miss anything? Because I'm not seeing any probable cause for alarm here. In fact, it sounds like this guy had an idea to protect himself, unlike ANYONE at the board of education, or whatever group runs the school who has done nothing (like every other school in the nation) to prevent the real killers.
Did I miss anything? Because I'm not seeing any probable cause for alarm here. In fact, it sounds like this guy had an idea to protect himself, unlike ANYONE at the board of education, or whatever group runs the school who has done nothing (like every other school in the nation) to prevent the real killers.
JohnMcD348
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Here's another link from the local news channel discussing the issue.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/10/17/295704.html?title=Stockpile+of+weapons+found+at+teenager's+home
No matter what others have said here, the man has issues. He came to school wearing a "bullet proof" vest. It was roughly 90* today in Lakeland. I doubt he was cold or just trying to be one of the cool kids. Yes, the neighborhood that this school is located is not in the best part of town but he's 18 years old. He should have enough sense to NOT come to school wearing body armor. He apparently has led something of a sheltered life and was home schooled until he was older and like I'd said in a previous post, this school was a last chance school for kids to get their GED/Diploma. It is not a regular school campus. It was actually a converted Drug store that the county had taken over and remodeled. The pepper spray he had in his vehicle was the large room clearing canisters, not the personal defense type sprays. I guess if carried on the vest with the door penetrator, it wold make an excellent directional non-lethal device.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/10/17/295704.html?title=Stockpile+of+weapons+found+at+teenager's+home
No matter what others have said here, the man has issues. He came to school wearing a "bullet proof" vest. It was roughly 90* today in Lakeland. I doubt he was cold or just trying to be one of the cool kids. Yes, the neighborhood that this school is located is not in the best part of town but he's 18 years old. He should have enough sense to NOT come to school wearing body armor. He apparently has led something of a sheltered life and was home schooled until he was older and like I'd said in a previous post, this school was a last chance school for kids to get their GED/Diploma. It is not a regular school campus. It was actually a converted Drug store that the county had taken over and remodeled. The pepper spray he had in his vehicle was the large room clearing canisters, not the personal defense type sprays. I guess if carried on the vest with the door penetrator, it wold make an excellent directional non-lethal device.
TexasRifleman
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And that's the whole problem. He was arrested for having "issues", nothing more.
It does not matter why he wore the vest, why he legally purchased rifles, why he was home schooled for so many years.
If he is that messed up he should be referred to psych counseling, not arrested and charged with whatever they could think of.
We have a guy here who was arrested for being, by his admission and others, just a little paranoid.
Be honest, how many of us on THR could they spin the same story about?
Someone at your work said they saw you participating in a "gun discussion" online.
We have evidence from your computer you wrote about zombie attacks, why?
We have evidence you participated in discussions of the Constitution, are you a homeland security risk?
We got a search warrant and searched your home.
We found 40 weapons and 20,000 rounds of ammo.
We found "explosives" (tannerite, black powder, primers, smokeless powder) and a video of you shooting a machinegun at something called "Knob Creek".
We found where you have done research into what types of ammo work best, tell us of this "Box O Truth"
You were planning a massacre of biblical proportions, we know it. We don't have to prove it, just show that
"you had the skills and resources necessary should you ever decide to act".
Clearly a threat to the planet, into the box you go.
Think about it.
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But it doesn't appear that he did anything illegal with the body armor or weapons, so it's none of the govt.'s business to be bothering him if he has hurt no one and broken no law. If in fact the newspaper box was stolen, yeah, that's a crime, but not a major one in most places. Certainly not necessitating this overblown fear campaign by the media. If it wasn't stolen or not stolen by him and was already there, then this whole thing is ridiculous.
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Moving on, I wasn't aware that it was illegal to wear a protective vest.
Better re-think things now. Next thing you know it will be illegal to wear
steel-toed boots or helmets. Am I missing something here? What exactly
has happened that is illegal? While the police and press are busy patting
themselves on the back, nothing has happened here. He had a hand-
thrown gas projectile? Who cares! If that's the extent of it, give him
a fine and confiscate the thing for Christ's sake.
Moving on, I wasn't aware that it was illegal to wear a protective vest.
Better re-think things now. Next thing you know it will be illegal to wear
steel-toed boots or helmets. Am I missing something here? What exactly
has happened that is illegal? While the police and press are busy patting
themselves on the back, nothing has happened here. He had a hand-
thrown gas projectile? Who cares! If that's the extent of it, give him
a fine and confiscate the thing for Christ's sake.
cpttango30
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HOW and why would it be illegal to wear a bullet proof vest to a school? most of which are a gun free zone I would say the kids was just protecting himself.
I did not read the whole story but if he has no weapons on campus and the onlything he was doing was wearing a vest how is that wrong.
I think all gunowners that attend college should get together and wear a vest to school on the same day. too bad they are so expensive.
I did not read the whole story but if he has no weapons on campus and the onlything he was doing was wearing a vest how is that wrong.
I think all gunowners that attend college should get together and wear a vest to school on the same day. too bad they are so expensive.
I'm betting that he'll walk on all other charges since they're ullbayitshay, but that he'll do state time for this. We simply cannot have people shooting up newspaper boxes in this country. He MUST be made an example of to show other would-be newspaper box shooters that we mean business! This kind of sensless violence MUST STOP!!!
Dr. Peter Venkman
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He can't bring a gun to school so I guess body armor is the next choice.
Sure, they'll be laughing at him until something happens (hopefully not by him, either).
Sure, they'll be laughing at him until something happens (hopefully not by him, either).
TheArchDuke
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He was probably wearing the vest just in case someone ELSE wanted to shoot up the school. Smart kid.
These are the charges:
One interesting detail. According to police records, he had been arrested for possession of a weapon on school grounds on the 6th and scheduled release date was the following day (7th. The records you see above come from an arrest made on the 15th. There is definitely allot more to this then we are being told.
What it sounds like is that they realized they had no case, so they used the incident as an excuse to raid his home and try digging up dirt on him and are still trying to find a way to charge him with a crime for wearing body armor in school. I suspect that at least that charge won't hold. theft, I duno, criminal mischief, can't prove that in court unless there is more to the story (and there usually is.
I think one thing is pretty clear above all. He's a goof ball, but he's no real criminal, unless he really is guilty of theft.
One interesting detail. According to police records, he had been arrested for possession of a weapon on school grounds on the 6th and scheduled release date was the following day (7th. The records you see above come from an arrest made on the 15th. There is definitely allot more to this then we are being told.
What it sounds like is that they realized they had no case, so they used the incident as an excuse to raid his home and try digging up dirt on him and are still trying to find a way to charge him with a crime for wearing body armor in school. I suspect that at least that charge won't hold. theft, I duno, criminal mischief, can't prove that in court unless there is more to the story (and there usually is.
I think one thing is pretty clear above all. He's a goof ball, but he's no real criminal, unless he really is guilty of theft.
ClickClickD'oh
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Looks like they are trying to peg him with theft of the newspaper box and property damage (shooting the newspaper box).
I suspect that their evidence for this is entirely based on the video the seized from the search of his home.
I suspect the defense is going to focus on getting that search thrown out due to a complete and total lack of probable cause. Unless the PD can pull a significant reason for that search the defense probably has a pretty good shot at getting this whole thing tossed.
I suspect that their evidence for this is entirely based on the video the seized from the search of his home.
I suspect the defense is going to focus on getting that search thrown out due to a complete and total lack of probable cause. Unless the PD can pull a significant reason for that search the defense probably has a pretty good shot at getting this whole thing tossed.
JohnMcD348
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Here's the latest local paper story. I haven't had a chance to read it yet as I was running off to work and threw the paper on the front porch on the way out but the headline was plainly visible in the wrapper.
http://theledger.com/article/20071018/NEWS/71018002/1039
http://theledger.com/article/20071018/NEWS/71018002/1039
LOL. The one thing they COULD have had any luck with him on, they didn't charge him with (narcotics. Well, lets see. The road is public property, so unless it was in the city limits, blowing stuff up out there won't hold. MAYBE a fine if it's in state restricted ground. Newspaper box. As already mentioned, no telling where he got it. Finally, all his dad has to do is walk in to court and say exactly what the newspaper report quotes him as saying and criminal mischief is out. Basically, they have no case. Since they found a small amount of Marijuana in his house, they MAY have had a chance at that, but they never charged him with it. One thing I loved was the mention of his knowledge around body armor "You have to shoot for the head or a vital organ." DUH!! Does it take a genius to figure that out? Idiots. No wonder police shoot-outs are so often followed by police funerals.
BTW.
If he's guilty of criminal mischief for wearing body armor in school, then so are thousands of children who now carry those level 2 body armor backpacks.
BTW.
If he's guilty of criminal mischief for wearing body armor in school, then so are thousands of children who now carry those level 2 body armor backpacks.
zxcvbob
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Kid needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He's getting railroaded here; police are trying to make an example out of him, even though it's not obvious that he did anything illegal.
IANAL, but when police start asking you a bunch of questions, just say "Can I leave now?" If they say no, then you are being detained and have a right to remain silent and a right to an attorney. If they say yes, thank them for their concern, and shut up and leave.
IANAL, but when police start asking you a bunch of questions, just say "Can I leave now?" If they say no, then you are being detained and have a right to remain silent and a right to an attorney. If they say yes, thank them for their concern, and shut up and leave.
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