Any Advice on Carrying Openly for the First Time?

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If the OP has written permission from his caretaker to possess said weapon, that is an exception to the federal law.

Also, since when does a picture posted on a website equate to actual possession of said firearm? Could the OP have taken any picture of a similar weapon from the internet and hosted it at a hosting site, thus not being in possession of the firearm? Perhaps the caretaker set the weapon out for the OP to snap a quick picture of and then immediately returned the weapon to a locked safe until the OP was 18yo.

Don't jump to your own conclusions unless you know the whole story. Since you don't, it's ignorant to spout off about legalities of juvenile firearm possession.
 
If the OP has written permission from his caretaker to possess said weapon, that is an exception to the federal law.

Also, since when does a picture posted on a website equate to actual possession of said firearm? Could the OP have taken any picture of a similar weapon from the internet and hosted it at a hosting site, thus not being in possession of the firearm? Perhaps the caretaker set the weapon out for the OP to snap a quick picture of and then immediately returned the weapon to a locked safe until the OP was 18yo.

Don't jump to your own conclusions unless you know the whole story. Since you don't, it's ignorant to spout off about legalities of juvenile firearm possession.
I did kinda mention that sometimes I wear the gun in the holster around the house, but we can keep that quiet. ;)
 
If you have written permission to possess the weapon, the federal law does not apply as written consent is an exception.
 
If the OP has written permission from his caretaker to possess said weapon, that is an exception to the federal law.

Also, since when does a picture posted on a website equate to actual possession of said firearm? Could the OP have taken any picture of a similar weapon from the internet and hosted it at a hosting site, thus not being in possession of the firearm? Perhaps the caretaker set the weapon out for the OP to snap a quick picture of and then immediately returned the weapon to a locked safe until the OP was 18yo.

Don't jump to your own conclusions unless you know the whole story. Since you don't, it's ignorant to spout off about legalities of juvenile firearm possession.

Please.... You know full well that he does not carry a piece of paper around with him every time he is in possession of said gun. He did not even know the YHSA existed, how would he know he can be exempted with written permission?

If you read farther down on the legal parent/guardian written permission part you will note a section that states something to the effect of: law enforcement can confiscate arm if youth acts inappropriate and will return it to the lawful owner after investigation is completed. Basically indicating that the transfer with written permission is for use only, that the gun it's self still belongs to an adult.
 
No I do not know if he does or not and I couldn't really care less if he does or not. Don't make assumptions based on your opinion. Welcome to the internet.
 
I don't know about Arizona, but Ohio's a one party consent state for recording. You can record any conversation to which you're a party. That's a BIG deterrent against police reports turning into creative writing exercises, especially regarding what you allegedly consented to. And on that subject, if stopped, consent to NOTHING not specifically required by law. Comply with an officer's orders, legal or otherwise, but NEVER consent. EXPLICITLY state that you are NOT consenting and that you are COMPLYING UNDER DURESS. That on an audio recording destroys the claim that you "consented" to an illegal detention, search, or whatever. It also provides documentary proof that the officer KNOWINGLY pierced his own qualified immunity.

KNOW applicable state law. Some officers either don't know or don't care about the law. Those who do know, may attempt to bluff you into consenting to an unlawful demand on their part, from providing printed ID, to not carrying, to concealing your firearm without the proper credentials to do so.

If you know and obey the law, and document any police encounters, you will come out on top in the end.
 
Please.... You know full well that he does not carry a piece of paper around with him every time he is in possession of said gun. He did not even know the YHSA existed, how would he know he can be exempted with written permission?

If you read farther down on the legal parent/guardian written permission part you will note a section that states something to the effect of: law enforcement can confiscate arm if youth acts inappropriate and will return it to the lawful owner after investigation is completed. Basically indicating that the transfer with written permission is for use only, that the gun it's self still belongs to an adult.
Deanimator, thanks for the solid advice. After reading quite a bit of that "You and the Police" book I have, I know exactly what to say to police officers.

smallbore, Yeah, thanks. Judging from what most people say about the general arizona public, I don't think I'll get any looks or comments (Or atleast, not any bad ones :D).

Well, even though my dad heavily disapproves of open carrying, he still lent me his gun (which is the exact same model as the one I was going to carry) to open carry. Since the safety lever was the thing that was broken, I just swapped slides on the guns. I will still be carrying mine, just with his slide. There is nothing unsafe about that, right?
 
Use a good holster, not a cheap crappy fabric "universal" holster.

A holster with a retention device would be a good idea as well.
 
I know this may sound silly but try carrying an empty holster on your round abouts.
We can actually do this in Ca. when not hunting (leagle oc) and you can get informative reaction in a non-punishable, if it occurs, situation.
This will also get you familerized with oc outside your home and comfortable with public reaction.
Mac
 
I know this may sound silly but try carrying an empty holster on your round abouts.
We can actually do this in Ca. when not hunting (leagle oc) and you can get informative reaction in a non-punishable, if it occurs, situation.
This will also get you familerized with oc outside your home and comfortable with public reaction.
Mac
I've thought about carrying an empty holster, but I don't think it is necessary. I've only got 4 more days until my birthday.

And I attached an image of my holster. It's got a thumb-break strap. Is that good enough?
 

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Ltp, I found a really good site to define acronyms.

I had the same problem with these gun owners acronyms. My first on was DAO.
I figured "Dead Ass On" knowing these guys. I really stands for Double Action Only, like on a revolver or a semi-auto handgun. One of the guys sent me this weblink. I hope it helps (if they don't block me posting a website. http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com
~GQ~
 
Ltp,
By the way in case I forget and don't get online in time - Happy 18th Birthday!

Since you are new at this and are asking for advice and help, I'm going to make you an offer that will be only to you. I've been keeping my eye on this entire post and the advice you are getting is exactly what you need.
Please take the words and advice from the experienced to heart, and learn by our mistakes and advice.

None of us want you to make a bad decision here.

You really need a holster that is more substantial than that one. I bought on exactly like yours and as soon as I got it I put it back up for sale on ebay.
It will work, but honestly it will break down very quickly and won't look good for very long either. The magazine on the front is also one more thing to bump into something with
I hate to say it but you shold really get a leather holster or a retention holster like a CQC SERPA or something similar. Cabela's has a big selection of holsters and they aren't all that expensive.

I'll tell you what. HERE IS MY OFFER TO YOU and TO YOU ALONE -- If you will, PM me with your addresss and I'll buy you a holster for your birthday. It'll be a few days late but I'll feel better knowing that somebody like yourself who is asking for help and advice will do this right. I'm not some old geeser preaching to you on what you can and can't do, but if you are serious of starting this off right get back to me. I'll e-mail a couple of links so you can choose one and I'll make sure it get's to you.
 
Ltp,
By the way in case I forget and don't get online in time - Happy 18th Birthday!

Since you are new at this and are asking for advice and help, I'm going to make you an offer that will be only to you. I've been keeping my eye on this entire post and the advice you are getting is exactly what you need.
Please take the words and advice from the experienced to heart, and learn by our mistakes and advice.

None of us want you to make a bad decision here.

You really need a holster that is more substantial than that one. I bought on exactly like yours and as soon as I got it I put it back up for sale on ebay.
It will work, but honestly it will break down very quickly and won't look good for very long either. The magazine on the front is also one more thing to bump into something with
I hate to say it but you shold really get a leather holster or a retention holster like a CQC SERPA or something similar. Cabela's has a big selection of holsters and they aren't all that expensive.

I'll tell you what. HERE IS MY OFFER TO YOU and TO YOU ALONE -- If you will, PM me with your addresss and I'll buy you a holster for your birthday. It'll be a few days late but I'll feel better knowing that somebody like yourself who is asking for help and advice will do this right. I'm not some old geeser preaching to you on what you can and can't do, but if you are serious of starting this off right get back to me. I'll e-mail a couple of links so you can choose one and I'll make sure it get's to you.
I sent you a PM.
 
ltp0were said:
I have another question. Is there any chance of my background check going wrong when I buy my gun on thursday? I have never been charged of convicted of any crimes. Do they deny people at random sometimes, or do they have a legitimate reason for all of the denials?

Ummmmm....

What background check?

In AZ you will not be buying your handgun from an FFL as that violates Federal law. Any handgun you purchase must be in a face to face transaction with another resident of AZ. In that case no NICS check is required. If the seller is asking that you get one it is doubtful that an FFL will run one for you as you are not yet 21 and by definition the authorizing agency would have to deny it.

Aside: How is it that your father who is adamantly against you OC'ng will be loaning you his pistol which is identical to the one you broke the decocker on so you can OC?
 
Comments made within this specific post have been deleted due to error in information on my part.
I will not intentionally keep incorrect information posted due to the possibility of mis-interpretation of that information. ~GQ~
I apologize for any misunderstanding or assumptions that I may have caused
 
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Are you saying that a legal resident can't buy a gun from a gun dealer in Arizona?

He's saying that it is against federal law for an 18 year old to buy a hand gun from an FFL anywhere in the country
 
I stand completely corrected -- I am in error

Werewolf you are absolutly correct in the statement about a person under 21 purchasing a handgun. I just looked it up and I was dead wrong in my information. Goes back to "retract foot from mouth before opening".
From what I also read it will be illegal for a person under 21 to purchase handgun ammunition as well.
I'm not sure what the state laws for FTF exchange in Arizona are.

I formaly request retraction of my prior statements as they were in error.
 
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Ummmmm....

What background check?

In AZ you will not be buying your handgun from an FFL as that violates Federal law. Any handgun you purchase must be in a face to face transaction with another resident of AZ. In that case no NICS check is required. If the seller is asking that you get one it is doubtful that an FFL will run one for you as you are not yet 21 and by definition the authorizing agency would have to deny it.

Aside: How is it that your father who is adamantly against you OC'ng will be loaning you his pistol which is identical to the one you broke the decocker on so you can OC?
Oh, sorry if I didn't make it clear, Werewolf. I am buying a Mosin Nagant at the shop, not a pistol.

My dad is lending me his pistol because he knows that open carrying is very important to me (I've been talking about it for months). And like the good dad he is, even though he disagrees with what I am doing, he wants me to be happy.
 
LtP:

My advice - Confidence. You know the law. You are acting lawfully. Don't forget this. Always maintain an outward appearance of confidence in your lawful conduct. This means always maintain a CONFIDENT demeanor, NOT a "COCKY" demeanor. (big difference).

Why? People (including police) will notice how you act and base their response on YOUR actions. If you act scared, put-off, or nervous, anyone who sees you will say to themselves, "Why is this person acting so fidgety? They must be doing something wrong." It might only be because you are uncomfortable carrying a firearm in public for the first time. These people don't know this. A police officer might just walk up to chat out of curiosity, and when you get all nervous, it will raise alarm whistles. "Why's this guy sweating so profusely?"

Remember: You are a law abiding citizen. Act like it. Your demeanor will reassure passers-by that you are, indeed, doing something you're allowed to. This goes for police as well. Don't get cocky, but act like you are within the law, because you are.

The worst that could possibly happen is that an unknowledgeable officer would arrest you because HE is unfamiliar with the law. This is not the end of the world, as you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Don't do anything that will endanger this out of fear or nervousness. Remain calm, and comply.

I have personally been detained for OC'ing. I remained calm when placed in the back of a police car. A supervisor arrived, and after a calm discussion, my firearm was returned, and I was let go with an apology. Some might say "SUE THEM!", but the desired result was acheived. Had I acted nervous or frightened, I might have justified the detention in the eyes of the officers. Had I acted indignant and cocky, they might have taken it further to see if their arrest would "stick".

Good luck carrying.
 
kmcintosh78 said:
Just be ready for a Crap storm if you are downtown PHX, Scottsdale maybe. Most of the other cities were not as up tight about open carrying.
Being ex LEO in Gilbert, I can give you a couple suggestions.
1. If you are approached by law enforcement, keep your hands at about belly height and folded.
2. I would suggest starting to keep your wallet (With ID) in your front pocket, opposite the side where you will wear your firearm.
3. ID yourself, and advise of the weapon. If asked for ID, before moving your hands, advise the office of everything you will do, and move slow.
4. I believe the law in AZ, if I remember correctly, is you can carry open, but you can't have a round chambered, but can have a mag inserted.
5. When you go to travel in your vehicle, the law changes a bit. If you don't have a concealed permit, you need to have the handgun in plain sight, with no mag inserted, and ammo in a separate locked compartment.

Understand that most of the suggestions above are either not AZ law, or are blatant violations of your rights while engaging in perfectly legal behavior. Read this Federal court's ruling:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-G...cannot-detain-people-for-openly-carrying-guns

The actual ruling itself is the first link in the above article. To see what the court is talking about in action watch the 45 minute video, The citizen's guide to surviving a police encounter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

Second, be aware of school zones. Without the concealed carry permit, you are subject to the 1000ft rule. It's a pain, but the law does apply. It is contained in 18 USC 922(q). Actually, I would suggest you read all of 18 USC 922, but especially (q). It also contains several exceptions such as on private property, etc.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

Third, go to opencarry.org, in the Arizona section, see if you can get one of the guys there to do something with you the first time. I am always happy to meet people and go to lunch or whatever. The opencarry picnics and gatherings are a bunch of fun.

Finally, if you are approached by LEO, try to stay calm. If you know the law, be confident that you are not breaking the law. Politely refuse to have your rights violated. If LEO insists upon violating you rights, explain to them prior to submitting to their requests that you feel that you are being officially detained by them and only because you feel that you are being officially detained will you comply with their requests. Be sure to document their badge number and name. Be confident that, now the Federal court precedence has been very clearly set, that you will be getting a nice bonus for your bank account, should you choose to take it to court.

I carry everywhere I go and a lot of times I will have my thirteen year old soon-to-be stepdaughter with me. She gets a big kick out of it when someone asks me about my gun. A lot of times she won't even let me reply before she chimes in! I started with a holster exactly like yours. You will want to switch soon. It's just too floppy on the belt. Also, the spare magazine holder belongs on your weak side, not on your strong side. Think about how you will retrieve that magazine during a magazine change. Personally, just for me, I don't carry a spare magazine, but it does belong on the other side if you choose to carry one. I now have two holsters both with two belt loops on them and I feed my belt through the holster loop, through my side pants belt loop, and then through the second loop on the holster. I find that the thumb break retention strap is all the retention I need.

Oh, and thank you! for being willing to stand up and show that you care enough about yourself and other people to have the means available to protect yourself and your family and for being willing to display to the public that it is simply acceptable for Americans to be able to do so.
 
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Get ready to be thrown out of a lot of places including malls, restaurants etc and to have the police called on you for no reason. I used to live in VA and OC'd for awhile, but ended up CCW because I got sick of the constant harrassment. Once you get old enough for CCW you'll be relieved.
 
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