Any DA/SA single stack subcompact 9mm on the market?

[5-SHOTS]

Hopefully, your friend should be able to get a 9x19 barrel. Barsto seems to have them but I don't know about exporting them to Italy. Plus they need a bit of fitting.

Sig 239 Barrels Archives - Bar-Sto

barsto.com

Thanks for your suggestion.
Maybe through Midway Italia, Brownells Italia or the SIG-Sauer italian importer which is Bignami S.p.A.
Bignami has the 9x19 barrels for the 9x21 P226 and P99 I have and I'm really tempted to get at least one. I'm pretty sure the Walther 9x19 barrel for the P99 is a drop-in while I think the SIG barrel for the P226 requires some fitting.

 

[AzShooter1]

Smith & Wesson EZ 9 is DA/SA. 9 rounds of 9mm and 8 in your spare magazines. I can fit it in my pocket even though it's a little large for that but I'll be happy to have it if and when it's needed. Tell your friend to check it out. You can get it with a safety switch or without. I like the extra comfort of the safety.

 

[Elkins45]

Smith & Wesson EZ 9 is DA/SA. 9 rounds of 9mm and 8 in your spare magazines. I can fit it in my pocket even though it's a little large for that but I'll be happy to have it if and when it's needed. Tell your friend to check it out. You can get it with a safety switch or without. I like the extra comfort of the safety.
View attachment 1183319

I‘m pretty sure that’s a striker fired gun, nothing like a traditional DA/SA trigger.

 

[gc70]

Smith & Wesson EZ 9 is DA/SA.

I‘m pretty sure that’s a striker fired gun, nothing like a traditional DA/SA trigger.

The S&W Shield EZ is a single-action pistol with a hidden hammer. S&W's EZ SKU 12436, Tech Specs section: "ACTION INTERNAL HAMMER FIRED"

From Guns magazine:

 

[AzShooter1]

Yep. My mistake.

 

[Triggernosis]

Even though the S&W CS9 and the CZ Rami are no longer in production, there are always some on Gunbroker, it seems.

 

[halfmoonclip]

5-shots, what is the particular need of a single stack? Hand size? There are some remarkably small-gripped double stacks that feel quite good in the hand, some CZs come to mind.
Moon

 

[Elkins45]

The S&W Shield EZ is a single-action pistol with a hidden hammer. S&W's EZ SKU 12436, Tech Specs section: "ACTION INTERNAL HAMMER FIRED"

From Guns magazine:

View attachment 1183362

I stand corrected. I assume they did that because it makes the slide easier to rack?

Does it have the same trigger pull for each shot or is the first shot different? If it isn't different then functionally it's not really like a traditional DA/SA gun in that regard.

 

[gc70]

I stand corrected. I assume they did that because it makes the slide easier to rack?

Does it have the same trigger pull for each shot or is the first shot different? If it isn't different then functionally it's not really like a traditional DA/SA gun in that regard.

Yes, the hammer-fired design makes the slide easier to rack. I can rack my wife's 380 using only my little finger on the front sight.

The EZ has the same trigger pull for every shot. Getting a round into the chamber inherently results in the hammer being cocked; since the gun has no decocker and the internal hammer cannot be lowered manually, there is no need for a double-action mode in which pulling the trigger would initially cock the hammer (although I believe the single-action, striker-fired Taurus G3/G3C models have a trigger mode that provides restrike ability in case a round initially fails to fire).

 

[5-SHOTS]

5-shots, what is the particular need of a single stack? Hand size? There are some remarkably small-gripped double stacks that feel quite good in the hand, some CZs come to mind.
Moon

Yes, he has small hands. Usually single stack subcompacts mean also slim slides. In my opinion, in the end he will be forced to choose a striker fired or an internal hammer fired, with no second strike capability, single stack subcompact, if he really wants a 9x19 pistol.

 

[5-SHOTS]

I was thinking about a used 9x21 Taurus PT709 Slim. It's not hammer fired but it has the second strike capability. I once handled one at a gun shop with the stainless slide and I liked it. Kinda regretted myself to have not purchased it.

 

[someguy2800]

Thank you. I've checked and the Star Ultrastar was imported in the nineties and it can be found used even if they are all in 9x21 caliber.

I've checked the pistols suggested by Mizar (Astra A75, S&W CS9 and 3913 and I can't find a single 9x21 one so I think they weren't imported).
Other options like the Ruger LC9 or similar pistols are out because they don't have a true DA (if the pistol goes click, the trigger is dead).

If you only want double strike capability, the Taurus G2 pistols are striker fired subcompacts, but they will retract the firing pin and fire again without cycling the slide. They are 1.5 stack so they are very small, similar to a glock 43.

edit: I see you are familiar with them already

 

[5-SHOTS]

If you only want double strike capability, the Taurus G2 pistols are striker fired subcompacts, but they will retract the firing pin and fire again without cycling the slide. They are 1.5 stack so they are very small, similar to a glock 43.

edit: I see you are familiar with them already

Unfortunately the G2 series of pistols are not imported in Italy, only the G3 and G3C, which I already suggested to my friend as I myself have a G3 and I'm happy enought with it.
G2S would meet all the requirements except the external hammer (ok, it's also not exactly a DA/SA...). As I understand, the G2S replaced the discontinued PT709 Slim.

 

[hso]

Look at. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/6-dasa-subcompacts-for-concealed-carry/

 

[Mizar]

I have a somewhat awkward proposition - take a good look at the Beretta 85/84 pistols. If I remember correctly, you are forbidden to use hollow points (expanding bullets) for self defense, right? So, being allowed to use only FMJ, the practical difference between 9x19 and 9x17 is not that big - sure you get more penetration from 9x19, but is it really needed (or useful)? Beretta 80 series pistols are wonderful guns - well build, trouble free and easy to shoot. Compared to a modern polymer 9x19 subcompact they are bigger and heavier, but that has it's advantages - they are easier to shoot and handle. 85, having a single stack magazine has a slightly narrower grip than the 84, but the slide is the same between the two models. It's just a suggestion, nothing more - I do realize the drawbacks of the weaker cartridge, but with your limitations it may worth to take a good look at it.

 

[5-SHOTS]

I have a somewhat awkward proposition - take a good look at the Beretta 85/84 pistols. If I remember correctly, you are forbidden to use hollow points (expanding bullets) for self defense, right? So, being allowed to use only FMJ, the practical difference between 9x19 and 9x17 is not that big - sure you get more penetration from 9x19, but is it really needed (or useful)? Beretta 80 series pistols are wonderful guns - well build, trouble free and easy to shoot. Compared to a modern polymer 9x19 subcompact they are bigger and heavier, but that has it's advantages - they are easier to shoot and handle. 85, having a single stack magazine has a slightly narrower grip than the 84, but the slide is the same between the two models. It's just a suggestion, nothing more - I do realize the drawbacks of the weaker cartridge, but with your limitations it may worth to take a good look at it.

Thanks Mizar. Yes, the Beretta 84/85 is a great pistol. I had an 84F myself, sold only because the thumb safety/decocker hit the base of my right thumb when shooting, which wasn't very pleasant. It's true that here in Italy hollow points are prohibited for personal and home defense so, as you said, the performance margin between the 9mm and the .380ACP is reduced. But we must take into consideration the fact that the .380ACP is more expensive than the 9mm for a cartridge with lower performance, so many users, including me and my friend, prefer the 9mm to the .380ACP when thinking about a new pistol to purchase. In my opinion, the .380ACP remains an excellent cartridge, very relaxing for both the pistol and the shooter, and with good defensive performance, but it is penalized by its high cost.

 

[Triggernosis]

Regarding the cost difference between .380 and 9mm: determine how many rounds of ammo you shoot each year and see how much $ difference it would be between the two. Unless you're a competitive shooter, I'll bet the difference is not significant enough to really matter.

 

[Agsalaska]

I know it is out of production, but the Sig P239 fits the bull and is in my opinion one of the best carry pistols ever made. I carry one just about every day. There are plenty of them around.

 

[Mark_Mark]

$150!

 

[fastbolt]

Yep, the S&W 3rd gen CS9 was a terrific subcompact (3"; 7rd magazine) version of the excellent 3913.

Old picture (several generations of cameras ago ) of my late 90's vintage 3913, and my later production CS9.


CS9 and a well-worn Hume H726 holster. The spare mag pictured is actually an 8rd 3913 (908, etc) magazine.


The Hume H726 is a plainclothes holster that provides for a fast draw and presentation, since the front cut is so low and allows the muzzle to clear the holster with minimal EU/ED (elbow up/elbow down) movement. Not only fast for presentation, but easy on aging shoulders. I own several of them for various pistols. This particular one is of an older design, before the belt tunnel loops were replaced with belt slots.


This pic shows the difference of the tunnel belt loops versus belt slots (guns are an issued 4513TSW/left in black holster, and my 3913/right in brown holster.


This shows the newer designed belt slots better.


I eventually picked up a late production 3913TSW to complement my 3913 and CS9. I bought it as a previous duty weapon, when they were being phased out for plastic back around 2016.

 

[Triggernosis]

Yep, the S&W 3rd gen CS9 was a terrific subcompact (3"; 7rd magazine) version of the excellent 3913.

Old picture (several generations of cameras ago ) of my late 90's vintage 3913, and my later production CS9.


CS9 and a well-worn Hume H726 holster. The spare mag pictured is actually an 8rd 3913 (908, etc) magazine.


The Hume H726 is a plainclothes holster that provides for a fast draw and presentation, since the front cut is so low and allows the muzzle to clear the holster with minimal EU/ED (elbow up/elbow down) movement. Not only fast for presentation, but easy on aging shoulders. I own several of them for various pistols. This particular one is of an older design, before the belt tunnel loops were replaced with belt slots.


This pic shows the difference of the tunnel belt loops versus belt slots (guns are an issued 4513TSW/left in black holster, and my 3913/right in brown holster.


This shows the newer designed belt slots better.


I eventually picked up a late production 3913TSW to complement my 3913 and CS9. I bought it as a previous duty weapon, when they were being phased out for plastic back around 2016.

It's good seeing a picture of the cs9 next to the 3913. I used to carry a 3913 nl, but it was just too big to offer any advantages over a larger gun like a CZ 75 pcr. The cs9 does indeed look noticeably smaller, so I may have to look into getting me one of those myself.

 

[Lefty38-55]

FWIW I have one of the now way older Ruger LC9 hammer-fired, DOA-only, but no double-strike capability, single stack 9mms and I can shoot it really well, just be aware it has a loooooong trigger pull! It wears a laser on it that's de bomb! But this is only 8-shots. Size wise it is darn close to the Sig 365 and I've often thought about upgrading, just to get to the 10-shot mag and 1 in the chamber, or 3 more shots for about the same size. The website Handgun Hero allows you to overlay them on top of each other for easy comparisons.

 

[5-SHOTS]

FWIW I have one of the now way older Ruger LC9 hammer-fired, double-strike capable, single stack 9mms and I can shoot it really well, just be aware it has a loooooong trigger pull! It wears a laser on it that's de bomb! But this is only 8-shots. Size wise it is darn close to the Sig 365 and I've often thought about upgrading, just to get to the 10-shot mag and 1 in the chamber, or 3 more shots for about the same size. The website Handgun Hero allows you to overlay them on top of each other for easy comparisons.

No, the Ruger LC9 does not have a second strike capability. Once the hammer goes click instead of bang, the trigger is dead.

 

[Lefty38-55]

No, the Ruger LC9 does not have a second strike capability. Once the hammer goes click instead of bang, the trigger is dead.

You're right, thank you! I corrected my post ... it's a 'Kellerman' (founder of Kel-Tec) DAO hammer action, where it needs to the slide to semi-cock it.

 

[5-SHOTS]

All those type of pistols have a partially cocked hammer. The trigger pull completes the cocking and release the hammer. Tecnically speaking they are SAO. Long, heavy, safer SAO but still SAO. The fact that the trigger pull completes the cocking before the release is irrilevant in my book just as it's irrilevant that the striker on a Glock is partially cocked and in the Steyr M9 is fully cocked. To me they are all SAO and they are all SAO because if they go click, the trigger is dead, just like on traditional SAO pistols like a Colt 1911 or a Browning 1910.