I'm Mormon but most of my Mormon friends are anti-gun. As far as I have ever heard, our church says NOTHING about guns. They are just anti-gun for lack of exposure and maybe out of ignorance, I don't think being a Mormon has anything to do with it.
Anyone here Mormon who can help me convince them I'm not an evil would-be murderer just because I want to be able to protect my own life?
The kind of arguments I get from my fellow Mormons are:
1. If you really have faith, God will protect you, don't trust in the arm of the flesh, trust God to protect you.
2. Don't kill someone in self-defense, that's murder! How could you live with yourself? Better to die than to be a murderer!
3. Why carry a gun around at all times? For example, I know a guy who is Mormon who carries at church. A fellow Mormon says "you are crazy, what are you going to do, shoot the Bishop? Why would you ever need a gun in church?"
4. It is a lose-lose situation... Even if you do use a gun to defend yourself or others, you are just as bad as the would-be attacker.
5. If I point out to them that the Church does not consider it to be murder when you go to war and shoot someone. When I say this, they always say "Well you aren't going to WAR, you just want to carry a gun around for no reason! It's different!"
These arguments are ridiculous to me, and I do my best to refute them, but does anyone here have any suggestions? Any statements made by Church officials? Any scripture on these topics?
Another thing that irks me is, Mormons believe that the Constitution was an inspired document, that the people who wrote it were under the inspiration of God. Almost like it's scripture. They also believe that God wants them to respect the laws of the land. However, when I point out that our laws say self-defense killing isn't murder, and that we have the 2nd ammendment, they always seem to backpedal. They say "well the 2nd ammendment isn't valid in today's world" or they say "Well just because the government says it isn't murder doesn't mean God doesn't think it is murder". Well excuse me, but they KNOW they are supposed to live by the laws of the land! Why would God tell them to do that, then punish them for it? Also, didn't I just hear how inspired the Constitution is supposed to be? Oh, but only some of it? The Ammendments don't count or something? Never mind that it was DESIGNED to be ammended...
There are also countless scriptures in the Bible and in the Book of Mormon about people defending themselves with deadly force. There have been a whole lot of deaths inflicted in the name of God through war.
Also, in the history of the Mormon church there are examples. There have been Mormon posses. The Mormon church got together all their able men and sent them to join the Army. One of the Mormon prophets and leader of the Church, the famous Brigham Young, had an especially famous gun-slinging body guard named Porter Rockwell. Look him up, interesting guy.
The man who established the Church, Joseph Smith, also had armed bodyguards. These men who plaid very important roles in the early Church obviously believed in the right to defend their own lives with deadly force.
Anyways... I partly wanted to rant, and I partly wanted to see what any Mormons here have to say about this topic.
Anyway, I don't think these Mormons are anti-gun because of logic or any scriptures that tell them to be so. I think it is simply a lack of exposure to guns and just ignorance about our constitution and the history of their own Church. I have a hard time understanding how any Mormon can be anti-gun.
Anyone here Mormon who can help me convince them I'm not an evil would-be murderer just because I want to be able to protect my own life?
The kind of arguments I get from my fellow Mormons are:
1. If you really have faith, God will protect you, don't trust in the arm of the flesh, trust God to protect you.
2. Don't kill someone in self-defense, that's murder! How could you live with yourself? Better to die than to be a murderer!
3. Why carry a gun around at all times? For example, I know a guy who is Mormon who carries at church. A fellow Mormon says "you are crazy, what are you going to do, shoot the Bishop? Why would you ever need a gun in church?"
4. It is a lose-lose situation... Even if you do use a gun to defend yourself or others, you are just as bad as the would-be attacker.
5. If I point out to them that the Church does not consider it to be murder when you go to war and shoot someone. When I say this, they always say "Well you aren't going to WAR, you just want to carry a gun around for no reason! It's different!"
These arguments are ridiculous to me, and I do my best to refute them, but does anyone here have any suggestions? Any statements made by Church officials? Any scripture on these topics?
Another thing that irks me is, Mormons believe that the Constitution was an inspired document, that the people who wrote it were under the inspiration of God. Almost like it's scripture. They also believe that God wants them to respect the laws of the land. However, when I point out that our laws say self-defense killing isn't murder, and that we have the 2nd ammendment, they always seem to backpedal. They say "well the 2nd ammendment isn't valid in today's world" or they say "Well just because the government says it isn't murder doesn't mean God doesn't think it is murder". Well excuse me, but they KNOW they are supposed to live by the laws of the land! Why would God tell them to do that, then punish them for it? Also, didn't I just hear how inspired the Constitution is supposed to be? Oh, but only some of it? The Ammendments don't count or something? Never mind that it was DESIGNED to be ammended...
There are also countless scriptures in the Bible and in the Book of Mormon about people defending themselves with deadly force. There have been a whole lot of deaths inflicted in the name of God through war.
Also, in the history of the Mormon church there are examples. There have been Mormon posses. The Mormon church got together all their able men and sent them to join the Army. One of the Mormon prophets and leader of the Church, the famous Brigham Young, had an especially famous gun-slinging body guard named Porter Rockwell. Look him up, interesting guy.
The man who established the Church, Joseph Smith, also had armed bodyguards. These men who plaid very important roles in the early Church obviously believed in the right to defend their own lives with deadly force.
Anyways... I partly wanted to rant, and I partly wanted to see what any Mormons here have to say about this topic.
Anyway, I don't think these Mormons are anti-gun because of logic or any scriptures that tell them to be so. I think it is simply a lack of exposure to guns and just ignorance about our constitution and the history of their own Church. I have a hard time understanding how any Mormon can be anti-gun.