Any reason there are no xds/shield’s in 10mm?

[beeenbag]

G29 is perfect for 10mm carry. That gun disappears under a t shirt and recoil very manageable. It’s just about the ultimate ccw. All the pundits like to talk about what gun is going to be the G19 killer, closest might be the G29.

I carry a G26 IWB most of the time, it is a fat little bugger, the 29 even more so. If they made the G29 in single stack, I’d be all over it.

I really really want a 4.0 barrel slim single stack with 6-7 round mags. Don’t care if it’s glock, xd, sig, or a shield. Someone please make this!

 

[Trey Veston]

I own a G29 and shoot everything from full power "bear" loads to match loads. Yes, I competed with it in GSSF and did quite well. I have never found it to be punishing or uncontrollable in any way.

This is my former carry pistol on the left, an XDS in .40 S&W. I have shot everything from match loads to full-power "woods" loads in it. Note that it has a Pachmayr rubber/gel grip. It is uncomfortable to shoot much and with the stout defensive loads, was downright painful without the grip. Full power "bear" loads in it would be akin to a S&W .500, I assume.

 

[94045]

I thought the narrow grip of my .40S&W Shield was hard to grip as it was. Big reason why I sold my Shield just didn't like the narrowness and pointedness of the grip felt like it teeter-tottered in my grip when shooting. I can only imagine a 10mm wouldn't improve that for me, but I'm not everyone.

If they squared off the back of the grip (aiding in spreading out the force and providing wider back for stability) and made it a touch wider, gave it a 4" barrel, got rid of the hinged trigger for a blade style safety trigger, then a 10mm Shield would be awesome in my mind.

Oh wait Glock already has done that with the G29.

But for those who like S&W, if they made at least the changes to the rear portion of the grip I bet it would sell well.

Have you tried a .45 Shield. The wider (Only 0.05"), deeper, taller (It's the same with flush mag as .40 S&W with extended) made a huge difference for me but then I have a wide hand. Without the mag the .45 is exactly a 2-Finger pistol and with the flush mag its 2 1/3. I'm thinking the 10mm wouldn't be a whole lot hotter than the 230 + P I carry but I've been wrong before.

 

[<*(((><]

Have you tried a .45 Shield. The wider (Only 0.05"), deeper, taller (It's the same with flush mag as .40 S&W with extended) made a huge difference for me but then I have a wide hand. Without the mag the .45 is exactly a 2-Finger pistol and with the flush mag its 2 1/3. I'm thinking the 10mm wouldn't be a whole lot hotter than the 230 + P I carry but I've been wrong before.

I have not tried a 45 shield. But if it took care of those few items I mentioned above it would be a sweet shooter. I was always impressed with the quality of the Shield series it just didn’t fit me.

 

[WestKentucky]

Pure conjecture here, but a 10mm that small will require a beast of a recoil spring making it very hard to rack the slide and as others have mentioned it would be a handful in the recoil department. I suspect that the issues with such a short window for the action are keeping the guns out of the realm of being a good manufacturing move. Too light of a spring and you beat the frame til it breaks. Too heavy and you don’t function reliably with a good chunk of ammo and you make it so hard to rack that people think there is a problem and send it in for service when in actuality it is fine.

 

[readyeddy]

10mm is probably not a popular EDC cartridge. But who knows, maybe one is in the works.

 

[Texas10mm]

Pure conjecture here, but a 10mm that small will require a beast of a recoil spring making it very hard to rack the slide and as others have mentioned it would be a handful in the recoil department. I suspect that the issues with such a short window for the action are keeping the guns out of the realm of being a good manufacturing move. Too light of a spring and you beat the frame til it breaks. Too heavy and you don’t function reliably with a good chunk of ammo and you make it so hard to rack that people think there is a problem and send it in for service when in actuality it is fine.

I think this sums it up. You put that longer brass in that smaller pistol and you really start to run into some timing issues.

 

[JR24]

Because... Ouch.

 

[Jim Rau]

couldn’t be worse than a scandium frame 357

That is true, but what round would you shoot in the 10 that would be similar to the 38 in the 357??? I know of several people who have the LW 357's and they shoot the 38's most of the time, but like having the option of the 357. That said, the bottom line is the 'bottom line', in other words there would be such a limited market for that platform that there would be not enough $$$ to be made with that combination.

 

[Obturation]

G36 size 10mm with mags that don't have the big pinky rest base plate, I'd buy one. It would be a pistol for folks who know what they're buying, not for an amature. There is room in the market for a single stack, compact , polymer 10mm but it's specific and a single stack 45 isn't giving much up power to the 10mm in a compact gun.

 

[JR24]

G36 size 10mm with mags that don't have the big pinky rest base plate, I'd buy one. It would be a pistol for folks who know what they're buying, not for an amature. There is room in the market for a single stack, compact , polymer 10mm but it's specific and a single stack 45 isn't giving much up power to the 10mm in a compact gun.

Yeah, there'd be a market, but extremely limited since you are taking a niche subset of the gun world and reducing that even further. I just don't see there being enough of a ROI to warrant the development cost.

 

[Obturation]

Yeah, there'd be a market, but extremely limited since you are taking a niche subset of the gun world and reducing that even further. I just don't see there being enough of a ROI to warrant the development cost.

Yeah. Even among my buddies that shoot, I'm the only one who owns a 10mm. They think it's a dead caliber and ammo is unavailable, I've tried explaining the caliber and ammo situation to them but they don't see a use. I like 10mm a whole lot but most folks aren't interested.

 

[JR24]

Yeah. Even among my buddies that shoot, I'm the only one who owns a 10mm. They think it's a dead caliber and ammo is unavailable, I've tried explaining the caliber and ammo situation to them but they don't see a use. I like 10mm a whole lot but most folks aren't interested.

I also like 10mm and wouldn't mind another, it's a round I enjoy loading for and is great for woods/hunting.

But I would have no interest in a polymer, small, single stack 10mm myself, much like I don't like the same size gun in .45.

 

[Jim Rau]

Yeah. Even among my buddies that shoot, I'm the only one who owns a 10mm. They think it's a dead caliber and ammo is unavailable, I've tried explaining the caliber and ammo situation to them but they don't see a use. I like 10mm a whole lot but most folks aren't interested.

BINGO! Like I said, $$$$ is what makes the world go round!

 

[Spats McGee]

As the title says, I wonder why there are no single stack compact guns in 10mm? If the 45 fits, a 10mm will fit. Is it something mechanical just not doable in that size or is it just not a marketable item?

I suspect both come into play. I think there's a specific, and fairly enthusiastic, market for a gun like this, but I think it's pretty small when compared to the market for a single stack compact pistol in 9mm, .40 or .45. I doubt that the aforementioned market is enough to make such a pistol economically viable.

 

[beeenbag]

Not gonna let y’all with dainty sissy hands rain on my parade.

if a 45 fits, a 10mm will fit. Same length for all intents and purposes.

recoil springs are already an often changed out part for 10mm shooters. Not a big deal, just offer a range of spring weights, anyone buying a 10mm will be fully prepared to do this anyways.

I doubt it will be a top seller, never claimed that, but I’m betting it would sell better than expected and better than a lot of the goofy offerings that have came out in the last little bit, like the new liberator pistol, the umpteen thousand goochie Glock flavors and changing one cosmetic design on an AR and calling it revolutionary.

gimme my single stack compact 10 and you dog faced pony soldiers can sit in the truck

 

[Obturation]

gimme my single stack compact 10 and you dog faced pony soldiers can sit in the truck

 

[Spats McGee]

Not gonna let y’all with dainty sissy hands rain on my parade.

By if a 45 fits, a 10mm will fit. Same length for all intents and purposes.…

gimme my single stack compact 10 and you dog faced pony soldiers can sit in the truck

And if someone makes one, may it serve you well.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Yeah. Even among my buddies that shoot, I'm the only one who owns a 10mm. They think it's a dead caliber and ammo is unavailable, I've tried explaining the caliber and ammo situation to them but they don't see a use. I like 10mm a whole lot but most folks aren't interested.

Just a guess, but your buddies aren’t really outdoorsy and they don’t reload do they?

Honestly, until I bought a reloading press and learned to roll my own, the 10mm Auto was a dead cartridge to me also. I wasn’t willing to spend the money on the guns or the watered down factory ammo.

Then one day a press came home with me, and my life changed.

 

[Obturation]

Just a guess, but your buddies aren’t really outdoorsy and they don’t reload do they?

Honestly, until I bought a reloading press and learned to roll my own, the 10mm Auto was a dead cartridge to me also. I wasn’t willing to spend the money on the guns or the watered down factory ammo.

Then one day a press came home with me, and my life changed.

Nope, not hand loaders. Barely even shooters, really. They just buy what looks cool and what they can show off and talk about way more than they actually shoot. My best shooting buddy went crazy, lost his ability to own guns and moved to Michigan to grow weed...
My next best shooting buddy moved in with an evil woman who doesn't let him out of the house, but he's only interested in ARs. Another buddy is all about shooting as many rounds as possible as fast as possible and accuracy isn't a concern at all, he's obsessed with saiga shotguns, Kel Tec ksg and his Remington 1911 with a zombie paint job (that he won't shoot cause he's scared to scratch it and thinks cleaning it will remove the paint job). Another has his g19 & his dpms AR and has no interest in anything else, but he does shoot a fair bit. It's tough being the smart one of the group. But I don't know anyone else who is "in the know".

 

[94045]

Pure conjecture here, but a 10mm that small will require a beast of a recoil spring making it very hard to rack the slide and as others have mentioned it would be a handful in the recoil department. I suspect that the issues with such a short window for the action are keeping the guns out of the realm of being a good manufacturing move. Too light of a spring and you beat the frame til it breaks. Too heavy and you don’t function reliably with a good chunk of ammo and you make it so hard to rack that people think there is a problem and send it in for service when in actuality it is fine.

They already make a 4.0" Shield. I was assuming the 10mm would use the 4".
Glock 29 is only 3.77".

 

[94045]

That is true, but what round would you shoot in the 10 that would be similar to the 38 in the 357??? I know of several people who have the LW 357's and they shoot the 38's most of the time, but like having the option of the 357. That said, the bottom line is the 'bottom line', in other words there would be such a limited market for that platform that there would be not enough $$$ to be made with that combination.

A lot of guys shoot .40 S&W out of Glock 20.
I know headspace off the extractor isn't exactly advised but they do it.

I think you can still get FBI (.40 S&W Power) 10mm as well.

 

[Buzznrose]

Not gonna let y’all with dainty sissy hands rain on my parade.

if a 45 fits, a 10mm will fit. Same length for all intents and purposes.

recoil springs are already an often changed out part for 10mm shooters. Not a big deal, just offer a range of spring weights, anyone buying a 10mm will be fully prepared to do this anyways.

I was on another forum (I think) and the thread was about converting a .45ACP to a 460 Rowland cartridge, and the discussion was about mitigating recoil and wear and tear. An engineer came on and mentioned something to the affect that a heavy recoil spring would only help so much, and that what was needed to make the gun cycle properly was to add weight/mass to the slide, like therewith the Rowlanator
https://www.460rowland.com/shop/extras/the-rowlanator/

A Shield slide/frame may have the size to handle the round, bu it may not have the mass to handle through thousands of rounds...

I read a rumor that Glock had a new single stack 10MM coming, the Glock 49, and it would be an 8 round single stack. I am wondering how close to the G36 single stack .45 it will be...

 

[beeenbag]

I was on another forum (I think) and the thread was about converting a .45ACP to a 460 Rowland cartridge, and the discussion was about mitigating recoil and wear and tear. An engineer came on and mentioned something to the affect that a heavy recoil spring would only help so much, and that what was needed to make the gun cycle properly was to add weight/mass to the slide, like therewith the Rowlanator
https://www.460rowland.com/shop/extras/the-rowlanator/

A Shield slide/frame may have the size to handle the round, bu it may not have the mass to handle through thousands of rounds...

I read a rumor that Glock had a new single stack 10MM coming, the Glock 49, and it would be an 8 round single stack. I am wondering how close to the G36 single stack .45 it will be...

I can only hope the G49 rumor is true

 

[Jim Rau]

A lot of guys shoot .40 S&W out of Glock 20.
I know headspace off the extractor isn't exactly advised but they do it.

I think you can still get FBI (.40 S&W Power) 10mm as well.

I was aware of the 40 in a 10 thing, but I would not advise it, not to mention the 40 would probably not have the recoil impulse to 'reliably' make a 10 function properly.