Any Remington employees here?

[rszwieg]

One of my former coworkers landed a job there in NY. He said their QC could use some serious improvement.

I've been a Remington fan for a long time so I'm not trying to start a flame war. I have noticed that that Remington's guns aren't quite what they were.

Just need to know.

 

[rodregier]

Realistically even if there are Rem employees here, they aren't going to involve themselves in a general QC issue in a public forum. That's a good way to become an ex-employee :-(

Perhaps a better question to be posed would be "...what are good channels for communicating QC issues to Remington mgmt?"

 

[desidog]

Perhaps a better question to be posed would be "...what are good channels for communicating QC issues to Remington mgmt?"

Well, I'll tell you that their 800 customer service number is not one of them...

And, for that matter, telling them I'd vote with my feet didn't work either; since i buy Winchesters now, and their guns still have QC issues.

 

[HB]

Quality of most major firearm brands is not even close to what it used to be due to rising cost of materials and labor. It seems the majority of firearms today have plastic components, the first sign of rising costs. However, people don't seem to mind and continue to buy their products. When people stop buying enough to cut into profits, the company will either change or die off. Now go to walmart to convince your average buyer why he should buy a gun that will essentially do the same thing for 2x the price. Most guys today just want a an 870 that'll knock down birds. Buyers 50 years ago wanted a nice looking gun that would last a lifetime and perhaps be their one and only gun.

HB

 

[fdf]

One of my former coworkers landed a job there in NY. He said their QC could use some serious improvement.

I've been a Remington fan for a long time so I'm not trying to start a flame war. I have noticed that that Remington's guns aren't quite what they were.

Just need to know.



Why not have your coworker respond, seems he knows and he shares information with you, seems fair to us does it not.

 

[frankenstein406]

Look what happened to marlin, nuff said.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I failed to get any kind of professional response from Remington's ammunition/component reps back about 4-5 years ago over virgin brass casings cracking BEFORE they were fired (even loaded with Remington bullets). I sent them 1000 casings and some ammo at my expense for their inspection. They would not even REPLACE the casings, and that was only part of my loss at that point. They sent a refusal letter and returned the unsafe, bad-metallurgical-composition brass back to me rather than make it right.

 

[Drail]

Remington Arms went under a very long time ago. They used to make high quality firearms. I never though much of their ammo or loading components.

 

[22-rimfire]

I bought a 547 and love it. I would not hesitate to buy a Remington rifle.

 

[Old Fuff]

Remington Arms went under a very long time ago.

So did a lot of other companies that were caught between ever increasing labor costs and other overhhead expenses. Now the future will belong to polymer and CNC machined parts that simply drop in.

However if you believe that older was better it's generally not dificult to find the older gun you remember somewhere on the used market. It's been a long time since I've bought a new/recently made gun, and I've never had trouble finding that which I prefer.

 

[Furncliff]

I think the excuses for Remington and Marlin are bull. These companies went into the crapper when they become part of larger corporations, whose end game is dollars not quality products.

 

[smalls]

I've been a Remington fan for a long time so I'm not trying to start a flame war.

So instead of naming a specific problem you have had with a Remington product, you tell us a buddy of yours got a job there, and says the QC sucks, so now you think their products suck.

Right, no flame war here...

 

[herrwalther]

Look what happened to marlin, nuff said.

Yup. When I went looking for a Marlin rifle, I had a list of SN in my pocket of which rifle ranges were still made by Marlin and which under Remington. Very happy with my 1970's Marlin.

Remington experience has been hit or miss. I have owned 2 Remingtons in the last decade. An 870 and a 770. The 770 was junk and I was to the point of paying someone to take it away. The 870 I still own and it is a very solid shotgun. I plan on getting an older Rem 700 in the near future but no plans to get anything else from them. Seems all their new products (like the 783) are *too* budget made to the point of being poor quality and cheap.

 

[rszwieg]

So instead of naming a specific problem you have had with a Remington product, you tell us a buddy of yours got a job there, and says the QC sucks, so now you think their products suck.

Right, no flame war here...

I've never really had issues with Remington products but others have and I hear more and more of this...and where is Marlin?

 

[joe4702]

I just bought a 700 SPS online from Buds. Picking it up Monday at my FFL.
I was a little wary because of the QC issues I've heard about.
We'll see. Hopefully I'll be able to resolve any minor issues myself.

 

[gamestalker]

I was recently shopping with my Son for a 700 ADL and was completely shocked at the quality. It didn't resemble a typical 700 action in any way shape or form. I won't trash Rem. beyond that experience, but something is happening with their lower shelf firearms it seems. It used to be you would sacrifice cosmetics and some bells and whistles at worst, but you would still get the same quality action, and then could build off of that platform quite successfully, not now.

GS

 

[bracer]

I purchased my first rifle a Winchester Mdl 70 270 in 1952. Over the years I have purchased various brands of firearms. The quality of the common brands were changed because people were not willing to pay for quality. They wonted something cheap that went boom so they voted with their dollars for low quality. Pre 64 Winchester 70s, 52 , and 12 have increased in value . I have glass bedded actions, free floated barrels, adjusted trigger pull, had bolt locking lugs lapped, and muzzles re-crowned on Remington and other brands of rifles. Dont expect quality for $ 500. Take a look at the prices of Cooper, Kimber, Anschultz, CZ, Browning and Sako to see what quality control costs.

 

[alsaqr]

Look what happened to marlin, nuff said.

Marlin quality tanked before Remington bought the company.

Yep, another bash Remington thread.

 

[Bubbles]

I was recently shopping with my Son for a 700 ADL and was completely shocked at the quality. It didn't resemble a typical 700 action in any way shape or form. I won't trash Rem. beyond that experience, but something is happening with their lower shelf firearms it seems. It used to be you would sacrifice cosmetics and some bells and whistles at worst, but you would still get the same quality action, and then could build off of that platform quite successfully, not now.

Not too many years ago you could purchase a new Remington rifle and use the action as a base to build a sweet little precision rifle. Not any more, when people ask we just tell them that unless the rifle is fairly old, it's cheaper to drop the coin on a Stiller than to pay to have the new Remington trued up.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I live in central Arkansas and my father is retired from and receiving a pension from the Remington Arms ammunition plant in Lonoke. They treated their employees right and he never had a complaint. Had his health not went south, he wouldn't have retired as soon as he did.
The company did change hands a couple of times while he was there, and while I can't speak for quality of the firearms, he said that they didn't treat the employees any different and no major changes were made as far as the ammunition manufacturing process.
I can't speak for the QC department as he had no experience in that area.

 

[Charger442]

I just bought a 700 SPS online from Buds. Picking it up Monday at my FFL.
I was a little wary because of the QC issues I've heard about.

is this the one that has the threaded muzzle already from the factory? if so, I would be very weary of mounting a suppressor before getting it recut concentric to the bore and the shoulder squared on it. it may just be on the 700 AACs that are actually threaded.

Not too many years ago you could purchase a new Remington rifle and use the action as a base to build a sweet little precision rifle. Not any more, when people ask we just tell them that unless the rifle is fairly old, it's cheaper to drop the coin on a Stiller than to pay to have the new Remington trued up.

This. i had my smith buddy true and barrel my FN SPR action for me (basically the pre-64 style model 70) and he said he trued the bolt face and chased the threads and checked everything. He was surprised at how little material he had to take off. he said on remington 700s, there is a lot that has to be taken off to make those things in the same league as the FN.

Remington went downhill when they were sold to Freedom Group and Cerebus. They destroyed Marlin and their 22lr Golden Bullets have to be the worst rimfire ammo on the market.

 

[herrwalther]

Marlin quality tanked before Remington bought the company.

Yep, another bash Remington thread.

How so? It is a rather clear line the quality of Marlin going downhill with the start of the REP and MR serial prefixes when they started using Marlin built receivers. My Marlin was made in 1983 and it is all I expected from Marlin quality, except they added the annoying crossbolt safety. A showing of the times. But I have picked up and read about Marlins after the Remington buyout and they don't feel as well built and have problems such as manufacturing defects, brittle parts.