Fred Fuller
Moderator Emeritus
A good while back, Estate was bought out, first by Blount, then very soon thereafter Blount's sporting goods group was acquired by ATK/Alliant. All that was discussed here, briefly. I did the search and read the threads I could find, after all I am a newbie here, but I did do the homework first.
Estate's plant got moved after production of the original low- recoil SWAT load ceased, warehouse supplies dwindled and finally disappeared. That was one of my all time favorite shotgun loads, and I clutched as much of it as my meager ammo budget would allow. I called the company offices in Texas seeking more, and got depressed along with the office staff who were losing their jobs. But I had some big time health problems of my own about then, and went for a long time without being able to handle a gun, or drive, or do other useful stuff like work.
Time marched on. I got better.
Then the familiar brown 10-round boxes started showing back up at the web vendors' sites. It made me hopeful.
But... I am told the _contents_ are not the same. Now, I have not bought any new production, post- Texas, Estate buck. I do not know if things have been changed under the new management, and the construction of the shell is different.
But I am told it is. I am told it no longer produces those famous patterns.
Horrors. The thought fills me with dismay. But I must ask:
Has anyone here dissected one of the "new" loads and compared it with the old? Anyone fired it in patterning tests to compare it with the original Texas load yet? I'd like to know, even while wanting badly to believe that modern global megacorporations actually have enough good sense to leave a good thing alone though it costs a fraction of a cent more per unit not to 'go cheap.' It would really really ruin my day to have to find out the hard way. I'd rather not have to look, not until after I pop the top off the last .50 cal. can full of those familiar made-in-Texas brown boxes, and empty it.
I'll even make a contribution toward paying for the test/ dissection/ autopsy/ whatever, for a vetted shotgun scientist (or alchemist) here who is willing to undertake the experiment (if no one has, yet). Now after over a year of being seizure free, I am driving- and shooting a little- and working- again. So this isn't a pure pity party, just a request to help out on something that I might find repugnant t have to do myself.
Please reply below...
lpl/nc
Estate's plant got moved after production of the original low- recoil SWAT load ceased, warehouse supplies dwindled and finally disappeared. That was one of my all time favorite shotgun loads, and I clutched as much of it as my meager ammo budget would allow. I called the company offices in Texas seeking more, and got depressed along with the office staff who were losing their jobs. But I had some big time health problems of my own about then, and went for a long time without being able to handle a gun, or drive, or do other useful stuff like work.
Time marched on. I got better.
Then the familiar brown 10-round boxes started showing back up at the web vendors' sites. It made me hopeful.
But... I am told the _contents_ are not the same. Now, I have not bought any new production, post- Texas, Estate buck. I do not know if things have been changed under the new management, and the construction of the shell is different.
But I am told it is. I am told it no longer produces those famous patterns.
Horrors. The thought fills me with dismay. But I must ask:
Has anyone here dissected one of the "new" loads and compared it with the old? Anyone fired it in patterning tests to compare it with the original Texas load yet? I'd like to know, even while wanting badly to believe that modern global megacorporations actually have enough good sense to leave a good thing alone though it costs a fraction of a cent more per unit not to 'go cheap.' It would really really ruin my day to have to find out the hard way. I'd rather not have to look, not until after I pop the top off the last .50 cal. can full of those familiar made-in-Texas brown boxes, and empty it.
I'll even make a contribution toward paying for the test/ dissection/ autopsy/ whatever, for a vetted shotgun scientist (or alchemist) here who is willing to undertake the experiment (if no one has, yet). Now after over a year of being seizure free, I am driving- and shooting a little- and working- again. So this isn't a pure pity party, just a request to help out on something that I might find repugnant t have to do myself.
Please reply below...
lpl/nc