Anybody can buy at a gun show!

[tomrkba]

Gun show in VA = Give me the money, preferably cash. Out the door.

Not if the seller holds an FFL.

Here in IL, we are required to follow the same guidelines whether buying from a store or from a private party.

This is because of the Illinois constitution. The right to keep and bear arms is "subject to the police power." Not so in Virginia. It's a right to keep and bear arms state without extra burden. They won't be able to force non-FFL holders into a NICs check.

 

[tahoe2]

Lots of interesting info here, Thanks for all the input.

Deadin, thanks, you are correct about the WAC as I am a member, and I do like the way they run things, although I haven't been to a show in a couple of years.

 

[6.5x55swedish]

Here in CT all gun sales at a show require a background check... no private sales are allowed.

The ATF considers any sale of a firearm for profit a dealer sale. Personally I stick to trades as it takes any question out of the situation... There have been cases of people convicted of unlicensed sale of firearms with just a few guns because they turned a profit on them.

 

[deadin]

Question.... How do they know you "turned a profit" unless you keep records?

(I tend to lose money on every deal...)

 

[Texan Scott]

Please explain why I should quietly surrender my rights just because a few others have (or might) exercise bad judgement or break the law.

I don't subscribe to the idea that my rights are subject to the "needs" or "greater good" of society (as defined by whom?). The whole point of guaranteed civil rights is that the rights of the individual are ABOVE the whims of society.

My civil rights disturb or inconvenience others who dislike me having those rights?
TOUGH! Ask anyone whose rights as citizens have been denied because the majority preferred it that way...

 

[22250Rem]

Anything that allows you to have a gun, even the second amendment itself; is a so-called "Loophole" to some of those people. And of course; our elite ruling class who scream the most about it are all protected by armed security guards.

 

[Isaac-1]

None of this covers the "girlfriend" problem, I suspect those of us that attend gun shows have seen it. The questionable looking "boyfriend" at a gun show that is there to "help" the girlfriend pick out a gun. Sometimes it is legit, but some are rather transparent about who the gun will be going to, boyfriend picks up and tries half a dozen guns and tells the girlfriend to "buy that one" Maybe a background check at the door would help, but all that would do is to get the "girlfriends" more educated on gun shoppping before they went in the door.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Anybody can buy a car from anywhere without any background check at all, and across state lines too. And I can know full well that the person I am selling a car to has 10 DUI's and no driver's license but it is still legal for me to sell a car to them. Almost twice as many people are killed every year by people committing criminal acts with vehicles than people committing criminal acts with guns. Ask your friend to explain that one to you.

 

[Ehtereon11B]

I think the "Gun Show Loophole" is slowly closing. Some states such as California have laws against private sales at gun shows. Other states or gun shows are distancing themselves from allowing private sales because of the press and politics surrounding the so called loophole. I went to a gun show just a few weeks ago looking to trade my wife's revolver for something she liked better. I got more interest from private buyers than FFLs but NOT ONE of them wanted to do the transaction right there at the gun show. Contact information and prices were exchanged but no firearms.

 

[Balrog]

I've sold two handguns in Virginia. Private sales, no paperwork, but I prepared a dated letter with the gun make, model, seriel number, which also had our addresses and phone numbers and photocopies of our drivers licences, to confirm the VA addresses/residency and ages. It also states that both parties indicated that they were not legally prohibited to possess/own firearms. We both signed and dated copies, the buyers paid in cash, we shook hands and went our separate ways. I filed the letter in my safe. MUCH more than is needed, but everyone seems fine with the "process."

That is way too much personal information for me to be willing to give to a stranger selling me a gun. There is no way I would have bought from you, if that is your requirement.

 

[smalls]

There have been cases of people convicted of unlicensed sale of firearms with just a few guns because they turned a profit on them.

Please show one. It's not illegal to sell off your private collection, even if you make a profit. As long as you're not "in the business of selling firearms", you do not need an FFL.

 

[reggie_love]

I'm okay with requiring FFL for all gun sales (provided it's free). What could possibly be gained in trading cash for a gun between strangers without so much as a DL?

Are FFLs oppressive in the least?

 

[Neverwinter]

I'm okay with requiring FFL for all gun sales (provided it's free). What could possibly be gained in trading cash for a gun between strangers without so much as a DL?

Are FFLs oppressive in the least?

Unless it's changed, obtaining an FFL for the purposes of easier firearms transactions is discouraged.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Are FFLs oppressive in the least?

Ask all those people who have been wrongly denied by NICS and had to do the appeal process what they think.....

I'm okay with requiring FFL for all gun sales (provided it's free).

You do understand that FFLs are private businesses, right? Do you provide your services for free?

What could possibly be gained in trading cash for a gun between strangers without so much as a DL?

The same thing gained as selling a used computer, a used TV set, golf clubs, hockey stick, etc, etc, etc.

 

[justice06rr]

Yes, private sales can happen at a gun show table with no background check in many free states.
(If the seller is a private seller and not a firearms dealer.)

They can also happen in the parking lot at a grocery store or liquor store the same way.

Or even on your doorstep, if you advertise the gun in the newspaper.

There is no gunshow loophole.
Except in the minds of anti-gun people who want non-gun people to think there is one.

rc

Exactly.

No such loophole exists. What is legal in everyday firearms transactions i.e. selling FTF privately is the same as private sales in gun shows.

 

[buckhorn_cortez]

Here in IL, we are required to follow the same guidelines whether buying from a store or from a private party.

IOW, a 24 hour wait before picking up a long gun, and a 72 hour wait before picking up a handgun. Then we have to make sure that both parties have FOID cards, and keep records of the sale for 10 years.

Every private sale in IL has to go through the waiting period.

I can see how those requirements have eliminated gun-related crimes in Chicago...

 

[BigJimP]

The WAC in washington state....only has policies that affect the WAC gunshows in Monroe and Puyallup....

at other gun shows in the state...( and I don't like it much ) ...like Spokane...if you look like you're probably 21, have cash, you can buy whatever you want in terms of a gun ...no ID, no questions, no paperwork - not even a bill of sale ....and I couldn't believe it, until I saw it with my own eyes over there. Its insane - in my view - to allow that to go on / and its not helping the cause of most of us, as responsible gun owners.

I like the way the WAC operates the shows in Puyallup and Monroe / its better for all of us in my view.