Anyone is Cali order a SU-16

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Mine is more accurate than the two Mini 14's I've owned. Its also more accurate than my Bushy Dissapator, but then again, so is my 7.62x39 AK103K. It isnst more accurate than my Armalite M15A4(t) though. :)
Feel sorry for you if you live somewhere you cant own what we can here in PA, which is anything we can afford, and everything we cant, but I guess that parts a personal problem. :) As for cutting the stock down, I'd like to see it be that 1" or more shorter, as I think it is a tad long, but I dont really see how it could be done and still hold the GI mag. It would also remove the part that clips the stock to the barrel when folded, not that thats really a biggie. The stock isnt like most other synthetic types that are for the most part easily shortend as mentioned, not that it couldnt be done if you were really determined.
 
> Some gun shop the other day told me they are worse than a Mini 14?

How many Mini 14s where on the gun shop shelf?
How many SU-16s?
 
I have some news from the Kel-Tec booth at the SHOT Show. Me and Larry (aka, larryw) were there, and when I noticed that Kel-Tec had a couple new models of the SU-16 coming down the pipe, I had Larry stop by to check them out. If memory serves, they are as follows:

A carbine version that has the front sight post pounted on the very forward portion of the gas tube, and is in fact integral with it. The barrel has a muzzle brake of sorts that screws on. The stock truly folds, meaning that it can fire while folded (we won't be able to get that one in California).

Another full-size version had a different type of front sight that is steel and uses a hex screw, screwed in from the top-rear of the sight post, to secure it to the barrel.

A new rear sight that uses a phillips screw to secure it to the Picatinny rail, as opposed to the polymer rod that is used to secure it in place now.

A new camouflage finish. They had one type shown at the show, but there are apparently two. These are the hunting styles of camo, such as RealTree.

Although they didn't have a prototype with them, I asked about the sling attachment. The pin that serves as a pivot point for the handguards/bipod is replaced with a version that has a sling swivel on one side. The other attachment point is one of the screws close to, but right behind, the trigger guard.

That's about all I remember from the Kel-Tec booth.
 
I also got to see the new SU-16 variations shown at the Shot Show. I think the 16" version will be a big seller for them. The barrel is significantly thinner and 2" shorter than the original SU-16. I believe this cuts the already light weight by an additional 14 oz. Also, the metal "AR-15 style" front sight on this one seems much nicer than the original plastic version. I think the stock is slightly shorter as well (though I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly about this). They had a traditional open rear sight on this instead of the original apeture sight. I think the new one is adjustable for windage (and the front blade screws up and down like an AR-15 for elevation adjustment). I think Kel-Tec (or someone) should come up with an adjustable apeture rear sight (though current AR-15 rear sights that clamp on the flat top rail may work fine - I don't know if the height would be right or not).

I didn't think to ask if the new thinner, shorter barrel with the metal front sight can be purchased and installed on the original SU-16 rifles (how tough is it to remove the barrel on these?) I think they said the new version probably won't be available until the end of the year.

The new variation shown in the photo above that can fire with the stock folded is also nice - though I don't think it will be CA-legal. It was interesting that they got around the prohibition on threaded barrels by developing some sort of a threaded sleeve that slips over the barrel and has external threads so you can screw a muzzle device to the sleeve that then locks it to the barrel. I didn't see exactly how it works, but it seems to get around the threaded barrel prohibition, while still allowing standard threaded muzzle devices to be attached (a pretty slick idea).

I think they said the camo finish (which looked nice) will be offered on all varations for an additional charge.

Doug
 
Lunde-
Thanks for letting me shoot your SU16 today. It was pretty nice shooting a .223 that did not have the "spppoing" noise everytime I pulled the trigger. The coolest thing was hearing PING PING PING each time I hit the metal target. The Holographic sight is pretty sweet!



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So the newer model in CA won't have the improved sight and shorter barrel? What about a variant with the newer sight and barrel without the newer folding stock? I hope they sell something like that for folks in California.
 
According to the Kel-Tec web site and what I saw at Shot Show, there are two 16" versions in the works - both with the thinner barrel and new metal front sight. One has the same folding stock setup as the original SU-16 and should be legal in California, and the other that can be fired with the stock folded and won't be CA legal. This latter version also has the muzzle brake option. I think the new rear sights may be offered as options on all the models (seems like I read this).

Doug
 
Looks like quarter 3 or 4 of this year until they these new configurations are slated to be released to the public. Until then, I'm blasting away, having a ball...
 
Well, I broke down and bought one at Sportsmen's Supply in San Jose
$569 out the door
Pick it up next week.
 
New forend bipod?

I can't tell from the photo. Does the new forend still incoprorate the bi-pod?
 
No It does not have a bipod
It also won't accept the sling mount system either so I'm passing on it until it does
 
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