Anyone load the 7.62 x 25 Tok?

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As it is a bottleneck, does it need the dreaded step of trimming??
If so, is it a 30 or 32 caliber?
 
It's 7.62 so I would think it's 30 cal.
That being said, mine were not long enough to need trimming. However getting the bullet to seat is a PITA.
 
Not yet, but I only have 900 or so more rounds of the old surplus ammo from the 1950's. I got a 9mm luger barrel for my Tok many years ago and will probably switch it over instead of reloading 7.62x25. I already reload 9mm.
 
I need a Tok! so got some brass from pickup and that’s a cool round… and armor piercing too
 
I guess it depends on what you want to call it. It is almost identical to the 30mauser, which can be used, but not a good idea since some of the 30mauser ammo was pretty hot.
I have actually loaded some .308 bullets in my CZ52, but it did loose a little accuracy.
The Tok round headspaces on the shoulder, so sizing is more important than trimming.
My CZ52 has a tight bore but a loose chamber compared my M57, so I don't usually have to trim for it, but I do for the M57.
 
Hugger-4641 said:
I guess it depends on what you want to call it. It is almost identical to the 30mauser, which can be used, but not a good idea since some of the 30mauser ammo was pretty hot.
I have actually loaded some .308 bullets in my CZ52, but it did loose a little accuracy.
The Tok round headspaces on the shoulder, so sizing is more important than trimming.
My CZ52 has a tight bore but a loose chamber compared my M57, so I don't usually have to trim for it, but I do for the M57.
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30 Mauser is not as hot as 7.62x25. Don't shoot Tok ammo in a Mauser, but 30 Mauser (7.63x25) is fine in a Tokarev.
 
noelf2 said:
30 Mauser is not as hot as 7.62x25. Don't shoot Tok ammo in a Mauser, but 30 Mauser (7.63x25) is fine in a Tokarev.
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Max pressure for the Tok is 34k, max for the 30mauser is 37k.
While you are correct that most 30mauser ammo was loaded light, not all was.
(30 mauser is
the Sammi name for 7.63mauser)
 
Another issue you will encounter is decapping.
Most of the mil-surp ammo has offset flash holes and crimped primers, so get ready to break pins if you try to use much of it.
 
I may have to start loading for it...

last weekend I shot up some of my old surplus stuff and was finding duds, and a ton of split necks upon firing
 
Hugger-4641 said:
Max pressure for the Tok is 34k, max for the 30mauser is 37k.
While you are correct that most 30mauser ammo was loaded light, not all was.
(30 mauser is
the Sammi name for 7.63mauser)
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According to CIP:
7.62x25 Tokarev = 2500 bar = 36,259 psi
7.63 Mauser = 2250 bar = 32,634 psi
 
Well, after doing some more research, I guess it depends on what year's CIP data you look at. The older data is what I used and I was correct, but the newest data supports what you posted. So I guess at some point CIP downgraded the 7.63 data for whatever reason??
 
MI2600 said:
I have to agree that the Tokarev is hotter. That's why there are so many warnings about using the 7.62 in C96s.
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I still say that depends on what ammo you are using. My experience is the domestic Tok ammo is not as hot as the European/Russian ammo and the Chinese ammo is all over the spectrum, but still not as hot as the European.
 
.30 Mauser pistol cartridges from some US makers were mild in the 1950s 1960s out of concern for war trophy C96 pistols maybe not in best condition.

German WWII issue 7.63 Mauser (for new Model 1930 Mauser C96 pistols) ran fine in captured Russian PPSh41 subguns.
 
Hondo 60 said:
Armor piercing depends on what bullet you load.

And yes I reload them. Good brass is short enough that they don't need to be trimmed.
But maybe eventually they will
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I seen were Tok factory surplus ammo penetrating L3 body armor
 
Ironicaintit said:
I may have to start loading for it...

last weekend I shot up some of my old surplus stuff and was finding duds, and a ton of split necks upon firing
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I shot some surplus a couple weeks ago. All went bang and most had split case necks, but the necks have always been like that with the surplus I have.

As far as armor piercing, this surplus ammo leaves well defined dimples in 1/4 inch steel. 9mm just leaves a splatter mark. Both are fmj with lead core. Surplus tok ammo is some nasty stuff!
 
noelf2 said:
I shot some surplus a couple weeks ago. All went bang and most had split case necks, but the necks have always been like that with the surplus I have.

As far as armor piercing, this surplus ammo leaves well defined dimples in 1/4 inch steel. 9mm just leaves a splatter mark. Both are fmj with lead core. Surplus tok ammo is some nasty stuff!
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Take a needle bearing from a U-joint, drill and insert it in a PRVI 85gr hollow point and see what it does to 1/4" steel plate.:cool:
 
I'll have to do it again and take video. I'm not 100% if what I used was 1/4 or 3/16, I'll see if it's still in my scrap heap. It went thru, 9mm did not, 40sw did not, didn't have a 10mm at the time so I'll have to try that too.:cool:
 
Hugger-4641 said:
I'll have to do it again and take video. I'm not 100% if what I used was 1/4 or 3/16, I'll see if it's still in my scrap heap. It went thru, 9mm did not, 40sw did not, didn't have a 10mm at the time so I'll have to try that too.:cool:
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would love to see that!
 
Hugger-4641 said:
I guess it depends on what you want to call it. It is almost identical to the 30mauser, which can be used, but not a good idea since some of the 30mauser ammo was pretty hot.
I have actually loaded some .308 bullets in my CZ52, but it did loose a little accuracy.
The Tok round headspaces on the shoulder, so sizing is more important than trimming.
My CZ52 has a tight bore but a loose chamber compared my M57, so I don't usually have to trim for it, but I do for the M57.
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I did not know that as to the headspace off the shoulder (gads!) this is gonna turn into a 357 Sig conundrum!

I load a lot of handgun calibers but never did a bottle neck case other than rifle 223/556, Which is what turned me off from messing with the FN 5.7 which really mashed the case neck, magic coating and flimsy brass!

In my initial post I never really fished what I was writing, I mention 30 or 32 as some articles I read talked about the different bullet sizes and what worked best. Then it got into barrel slugging and all that.

So case trimming is not really needed?
 
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