Anyone use a mounted light on their P365?
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The Sig Foxtrot is a bad design. Gripping the pistol turns on the light. You don't want your light on every time you shoot your pistol at the range.
Read the negative 1 star reviews on Sig's website:
FOXTROT365
The most advanced, rail mounted flashlight available. Now available for the P365.
www.sigsauer.com
The Streamlight Tlr 7 looks like the light to go with.
I have TLR 6 which only has 100 lumens. That's fine for indoors and close range outdoors. But poor for longer distances outdoors.
Shawn Dodson
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Spend your money on ammo or a training class instead - you'll get more value for your money. A WML on a carry gun is a waste of money.
I have already done that quite a few times, and this gun is not only my carry gun but also the primary gun I would use at night at home, if needed.
Average Joe
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No light or red dot sights on my carry guns... pure stock.
Whiskeyhotel2020
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I was pondering this very asame question the other day. I was thinking stream light trl-7 with a green laser.
I have always run carry guns with irons and no light. However, in the last year or so, I mounted a couple tlr6 lights (I don't use the laser) on my p238 and p938 and I like having those lights. I recently set up a p365X with a Holosun EPS and a tlr7 sub. I plan to work with it for a few months and if I like it, add it to the rotation. At this point, this is all a learning journey for me with the lights and optics on carry guns. I have competed with optics-equipped pistols in USPSA, Steel Challenge, etc., for many years but never carried a gun so equipped, not yet.
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Been reading/following legal issues that can rise up by having a light on your CCW from Mr. Ayoob, it can create serious problems.
Do you have a link to that? Would love to read what he has to say. I have heard him talk about not using a weapon mounted light to search, but haven't heard him say not to have a weapon mounted light.
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A WML and training/ammo are not mutually exclusive.
No reason not to carry a WML if one feels it is an added benefit. Certainly makes sense if owner spends a lot of time in poorly lit areas or out and about at night. A rural land owner or a farmer/rancher come to mind, but so does the person who owns a few acres or has a really big back yard with outbuildings outside town.
Definitely makes sense if the EDC doubles as a nightstand gun.
A WML doesn’t replace need for a handheld light but they clearly have value.
Not all firearms trainers may agree on this point, but many still see no value for a RDS on a pistol.
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WMLs are associated with a higher incidence of unintentional discharges, due to task saturation, and slips and lapses errors.
WMLs also encourage one to violate Rule 2, never point your gun.... Yes, I'm aware that the periphery of the light beam can be used, or the light can be pointed at the ceiling or floor, but extreme stress can override that practice unless it's been thoroughly ingrained by hours and hours of practice. (Many people slap a WML on their pistol and mistakenly believe they don't need training and extensive practice because it's so "simple" to use.)
Finally, there's legal aspects of using a WML that can get a CCW user arrested for felony aggravated assault for allegedly pointing a loaded gun at an innocent person/people. It doesn't matter if the gun is actually pointed, it's another person's reasonable perception that the gun was pointed and it created a fear of being shot. Whereas, you can point a flashlight at anyone all you want.
WMLs also encourage one to violate Rule 2, never point your gun.... Yes, I'm aware that the periphery of the light beam can be used, or the light can be pointed at the ceiling or floor, but extreme stress can override that practice unless it's been thoroughly ingrained by hours and hours of practice. (Many people slap a WML on their pistol and mistakenly believe they don't need training and extensive practice because it's so "simple" to use.)
Finally, there's legal aspects of using a WML that can get a CCW user arrested for felony aggravated assault for allegedly pointing a loaded gun at an innocent person/people. It doesn't matter if the gun is actually pointed, it's another person's reasonable perception that the gun was pointed and it created a fear of being shot. Whereas, you can point a flashlight at anyone all you want.
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I don’t disagree with most of what you say here. But whether one uses a WML or a handheld, there is a degree of knowledge and skill needed.
Also, I never said the WML replaced the handheld light. I also never said the WML gave one permission to violate Rule #2.
In the article below, Mas Ayoob uses the analogy that using a WML to search a dark area is akin to using a rifle scope to scan the woods. I agree. He’s also put out a recent You Tube vid about not using a WML to search an area…I agree with that too.
But he also makes the point that the WML could also prevent a low light tragedy if it helps properly identify the target before the trigger is pulled. Yes, probably shouldn’t have gotten there in the first place, but a tragedy averted is still a good thing.
15 year old article by Mas A:
The light at the end of the gun - Backwoods Home Magazine
By Massad Ayoob Issue #128 • March/April, 2011 Dave writes, “A few weeks ago I had to shoot a skunk in the chicken house, but the old long-barreled Sears semi-auto proved unwieldy as I tried to take aim at him.My old friend (and publisher) Dave Duffy suggested my topic for this month in...
www.backwoodshome.com
Carrying a firearm is a right and a responsibility…if one chooses to exercise the right to carry, one assumes responsibility for consequences. Brandishing a firearm, light or no light, is a crime. So unless it’s a clear and immediate danger, one should pull the light before drawing the firearm.
Most every firearm trainer I respect says a light is a positive addition on a HD long gun….but there is still controversy on the light on a handgun…interesting.
It’s simply another tool or tool modification that can improve performance if one has the skill to properly use it.
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