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Yep-- The wife can't understand why I sold a perfectly good AK for over twice what I paid for it just to buy an ugly AR15-- little does she know that I now have/and am building 4 ARs.....and I aint stopping there!

Plus, She made me give my Legos to my youngest--- I didn't gripe... ;)
 
One of mine came with a surefire quadrail, vertical foregrip, colapseable stock, etc added by the original owner.
My second came with 3 rail sections installed by the manufacturer, and what I wanted primarily, the POF gas piston system.
I bought a magpul MOE stock, a Bushnell 1X32 MP T dot reticle scope, magpul magazines, and a great quality very powerful CREE LED flashlight that is far better and more powerful than its overpriced competitors (cost me $36 and around $25 to upgrade its light output twice) with optional remote switch.
I chose the AR15 many years ago while I was in the army, but wasnt sure why I waited so long to get one. I chose a 16 carbine model for its smaller size. I chose a gas piston M4 model because it was what I wanted, and so few others had one.
No interest in midlength models, considered one for a bit, no interest in a 20", or 24". Maybe someday Ill get another, not sure which until that day comes.
 
I didn't notice these.....trends. I think it's more a situation where AR accessories and options have exploded in the last ten years and now everyone is going through the process of trying them to see what works. I don't think ANYONE can keep up with ALL of the new AR trends.
 
There are times at the range that make me chuckle. Some of the items that are hanging off the rails of ARs are a hoot. My RRA may sport a bipod and a scope, or it may have iron sights only. It all depends on what I'm trying to accomplish on any given trip to the range. Unless it serves a real purpose it doesn't get put on my rifle. The same can be said with some of the pistols on the market. If the technology is available some shooters have got to get it whether they serve a real purpose, or not. It's not AR specific. Take a look at the 10/22, some of the AKs, SKS, or any number of weapons.
 
The worst part about going into local gun shops is that they're all staffed by pricks who hate talking to anyone who hasn't been coming to that gun shop for 15 years. Every shop seems to be staffed completely by the "holier than thou" shooter who acts as if it's a privelage to pay him hundreds of dollars for a gun.

I see that crap on this board all the time. Guys lining up to post whatever diss they have for whatever makes them sound cooler than everyone else ("mall ninjas," "AR fads," this guy above me laughing at guys at the range because their rifles are set up differently than his).

Shooting gets targeted enough by activists legitimately (and often successfully) trying to get guns taken away. What good does any of this negativity do? Just let a guy set up a rifle however he wants, let him enjoy shooting however he wants.
 
All those goofy AR accessories should have a quick release mount. I keep mine stripped bare. If I need to add a flashlight, it's in a pouch on the top of my plate carrier, I just pop it on.

I laugh at the 20 pound AR's. :neener:

GG&G and Larue make great QR mounts for nearly everything.
 
I think there are two driving forces to watch when it comes to new products coming into the mainstream. Police/Military, and the Competitve world. They are a good litmus test for "innovation vs fad".

If neither of those two markets are using the new "wizz bang doo-hickey", the product probably isn't worth buying.

An exception is some hunting equipment that really only works for hunters.
 
I like ARs... I like the way they look, the way they shoot and the way they can be customized.

I have a couple that are straight up poodle shooters. They have longer barrels and large, powerful optics. They have specialized stocks and free floated barrels. They do not have quad rails on em.

I have a 10.5" SBR that has a Daniel Defense quad rail on it. I do have a flashlight on it, but I use it for home defense. It has the Noveske Pig on the front. It does seem to help this critter run well.

I have a M4 clone. It too is an SBR. It is a true clone with everything but the happy switch and I use semi parts. I have an Aimpoint CompML2 on it. Nice lightweight gun, no quad rail. It is a fun gun to shoot.

I have a heavy barreled Mid length gun with an ARMS SIR system on it. If I had to do it over again, I would not have the ARMS on it, but oh well. I have the Eotech sight on it. It was my first build AR.

I have a Bushmaster with a fluted barrel and an AK break. Why? I got a great deal on it a few years ago.

I have an AR pistol.

I have a dedicated .22 AR.

I have a few others in various stages of builds and if pressed, could have about 4 rifles of varying types ready today.

Now, why do I do this? It is my hobby. Is there anything wrong with this? nope... it is my money and I can do what I want with it.

If you don't like ARs, then good for you, go spend your money however you like. Me? I'll continue making guns for whatever reason I want. I might buy a pencil barrel and make a true A1..... Yeah, must be my next build.

So I will continue to build and shoot my ARs. I will take a carbine class with my LMT and have a tookusload of fun. I will hunker down on the plains of Montana with my Varminters on a nice spring day, the light breeze coming across the prairie and I will turn Prairie rats into a fine mist.
 
What I am questioning is the need to blow $1,000+ every few months or trade a perfectly good gun on the latest "cool" AR product just because everyone else on AR15.Com is doing it. That gets expensive.

It's your right to question whatever. But, then, folks will have their right to tell you, "It's my damn money, and, as long as I can afford it, I will spend it however I like it, fad or fashion, or however you want to label it. Have a nice day, questioning something more serious in life".:)
 
I like to think the eotec might be usfull some day for a defensive purpose and I can use it for 3/4 groups at 100yds, I bought all new furniture so I could build another one and start shooting it on the cheap until I get all the stuff I "need" to make it just right... oh and I threw my vertical forgrip on there because the army didn't seem to notice me taking it home with me from afghanistan and it's very useful on a bench with the push of a button it's now a bypod but all in all I would say I can see how it's called a fad. I got a mid-length because I dont like the M4 that I have in the army if that counts for anything.
 
I think the dislike of the "fad" market is centered on the fact that it is being catered to heavily, and those "in the know" seem to be slipping into a niche market.

Perhaps some feel that if more gun owners were educated against such frivolous purchases, vendors might concentrate on providing more useful products for all of us, instead making easy cash selling junk to all the "mall ninjas".

There is more chaff than wheat out there.
 
I don't know about that. There will always be the "cheap junk" style of accessories, but we have more high-quality AR options now than we ever had before.

-z
 
I would offer that there is plenty of high-quality junk out there as well. Something can be well made and totally unnecessary at the same time...but I agree that we do have some really nice stuff that has come out in the last few years.
 
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I think you are mistaken. Many of the things you listed are not even close to what can be considered a fad. Fads die out and come crashing down. M4 clones are still one of the most popular style of AR15's and have been for years.

Secondly, I don't see the brand thing you seem to see. BCM is only popular now because they didn't exist a few years ago. They will not go away. That is not a fad.

What you see in the AR15 market is evolution and improvement upon old designs, upgrades in standards, etc... but although some of these products, standards, and brands may be new, they are not necessarily a fad.
 
i agree with rockymtn. this 'fad' conversation is pretty ignorant. it's like saying "the pentium II, and 3 and 4 was such fads. the people who bought them are so stupid!!"

AR15 variants have been standard issue for our military for over 50 years. They EVOLVE constantly due to changes technology and who and where we're fighting. Understand evolution involves a large number of CHANGES. Some are beneficial. the vast majority are not.
 
As far as stuff to add to them, customized stocks, etc , etc. This is available and common on many many rifles, pistols, and shotguns, not a AR fad at all. Heck the SKS AK, Saiga, MIA, mosin, you name it all have tons of aftermarket parts, and add ons. They also have different length barrels, etc, etc.
 
If I was building an AR based on fad, or popularity, it would have to be a Bravo Company, with Magpul furniture, a quad four rail, with Aimpoint. That collection seems to be as right now as it gets.

Since I am building, it's also what I won't buy. I learned long ago, watch the masses, do the opposite. It's not to say the products aren't quality. It is to say "Why buy what everyone thinks is adequate?" There is probably a better choice, often for less.

So far, I can avoid quad four rails, because I don't need to blow $300 for 48" of picitinny and I have nothing to mount on it, saving even more. I don't have KNS pins, because I bought a milspec lower and quality LPK.

I won't need a trap door on the pistol grip, because I have nothing to put there, or any reason to, just like my issue rifle for 22 years in the Reserves. Little parts, batteries, or a few CC's of oil isn't enough reason to weigh down the rifle, put it in a backpack.

I won't need a stock mounted mag pouch, or a redi-mag, because 10 rounds in the magazine is the legal limit. I won't need a light or laser, either, because as a hunting rifle, it's illegal in my state.

Tactical sling? No, I was taught infantry fieldcraft without a sling, and hunt the same - ready the minute I step away from the Jeep. I'm not handcuffing a dead whitetall or hog, and on a range, a shooter's sling is entirely different.

BUIS? Why not the primary system, or at least supplemented by a red dot, not an afterthought? And regardless of the model, any optic can and will go down. BUIS are largely non functional until made ready, which is weak. Better to have them co witness at least or separate if possible. A sight picture right now is better than fiddling around and praying.

Not having all the CQB tacticool stuff clamped on means about 4 pounds less weight, and not being seen a poser by LEOs - and others on the web.

Some forums actually have professionals on line.
 
There are times at the range that make me chuckle. Some of the items that are hanging off the rails of ARs are a hoot.

I always have to laugh at the SBR's with a vertical fore grip AND a bipod.
 
I learned long ago, watch the masses, do the opposite.

i think your powers of observation need recalibrated.

compare the numbers of people building their own like yourself, vs buying bravoco
compare the numbers of people buying bushamster/dpms vs buying bravoco

hate to disappoint you, but you're part of the masses there
 
Don't forget the 3x9 variable.

Right now, I would say the M4 type is a fad. If built to milspec, it has a number of useless features a civilian owner has no justification having, other than his legal right to possess - one I cherish.

Again, M203 barrel cuts, quad railed fore end, lights, laser, vertical front grip, red dot optic, magnifier, adjustable stock, when all kitted out just like the photos from SW Asia, it's a joke. Most soldiers don't carry all the bolt on stuff daily, just add as necessary per mission and distribution in the team. A civilian trying to use that on a range will find it does help reduce recoil a bit, but the VFG is no real help on a table. Hunting, some of it will be illegal.

It boils down to making it an entry team carbine while not actually being on an entry team or even having the skills necessary. It's no different than painting race stripes on your car. Everyone knows they add 10mph and drop 1/4 mile times by a full second, right?

Owning stuff like that is fad, ego enhancement where no real skill exists to back it up.
 
I seriously doubt I'm part of the masses. But that gets off topic quick. I bought an AGP lower and looking at Troy furniture for a 6.8 build. I might use a MOE handguard, and considering a mid length with forward sight mounted right behind the flash hider. An American Spirit side charger is up the list if I can justify the expense compared to milspec. I don't usually give out a build recipe, it's hot air until it happens.

I own my cars, debt free homeowner, and Retired Reserve. If anything singularly different from most posters, who buy on credit, have never served, and if demographics are accurate, still owe on their car, and probably rent.

Observe the masses, do the opposite. It's not a rigid rule, but it is a good way to approach life.

Don't have a cell phone plan, either. Pay as you go.
 
I hope the quad rails are a fad, I really hate them. Looking at some videos of Shot this year it seems like everyone is making AR's with quad rails. They add a lot of weight up front, and frankly I find them fat and uncomfortable to hold. I still don't understand why you would need 4ft of rail anyway, oh wait...

I prefer a nice thin light forward grip, if you need a light screw a few inch's of rail on it and stick one on.


Anothing thing I hope is a fad is how manufactures AR everything. From stocks, grips to AR mags, they seem to be stuck on just about every design, from AK's to shotguns. I hate that, if I wanted an AR I would buy one, don't stick their crap on other guns.
 
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