AR15 search- where should I start?

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I'm a happy RRA owner, but for a rifle that cost as much as it does, there were things that they could easily have done properly and didn't (mainly the abysmal staking job on the gas key screws, which a LE armorer graciously fixed for me, and failure to stake the castle nut,which I did myself). The charging handle also felt like a flimsy toy, so I replaced it with a BCM handle.
Not to throw stones, but the only Colt I've ever owned LACKED staking on the GK!

My Prairie Panther had a huge charging handle...I'm assuming for gloved hands?

Anymore Ben, I don't spend over $7-800 dollars on ARs. They're all the same to me: expensive. But, if it's any consolation, I'd like a CMMG again soon.
 
Not to throw stones, but the only Colt I've ever owned LACKED staking on the GK!
Strange, since that's how they're manufactured.

I'd concur with Daniel Defense and BCM with the 1500-2000 dollar budget, but where are the Colt's fanboys? (I am one of the biggest) ... Makin' 'em longer than anyone else, and the new LE-6920 M-4s can be had in Mag-Pul or KAC trim for well under 1500 ...

Also in the mix, Spike's Tactical and Noveske ...

I also have a great S&W M&P-15A that's been awesome ...
 
Strange, since that's how they're manufactured.

I'd concur with Daniel Defense and BCM with the 1500-2000 dollar budget, but where are the Colt's fanboys? (I am one of the biggest) ... Makin' 'em longer than anyone else, and the new LE-6920 M-4s can be had in Mag-Pul or KAC trim for well under 1500 ...

Also in the mix, Spike's Tactical and Noveske ...

I also have a great S&W M&P-15A that's been awesome ...
Some are, some folks' aren't. If that's true (as in folks on other forums such as AR15.com aren't lying) then that's just blatant manufacturing error no matter how you slice it. As far as owners lacking staking are concerned, they were bummed because they're supposed to be staked. Guess they didn't get the memo.
 
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in that price range, i'd suggest lmt, daniel defense, and bcm. you can get a decent rifle for less, but it won't be anywhere near as good as the ones i just mentioned. you can throw colt in there too, but for the upper end of your budget bcam and dd are the ticket.
 
Basic AR assembly doesn't require previous AR experience. It DOES come out better with mechanical skills and decent tools. My blind Son assembled a lower with very little assitance-mostly helping start the pins and sorting parts. I verbally described the parts and he picked them from a cup of mixed parts.
 
Basic AR assembly doesn't require previous AR experience. It DOES come out better with mechanical skills and decent tools. My blind Son assembled a lower with very little assitance-mostly helping start the pins and sorting parts. I verbally described the parts and he picked them from a cup of mixed parts.
That's a good project for father and son.
 
In your price range I would get a BCM. Well, I would build it myself but I would get a BCM upper minus hand guards. I like Magpul furniture, Troy free float rail, SSA-E trigger and I few other things here and there. I just built a rifle just like that and the quality compared to my RRA upper that I bought before I knew better was not even a close comparison.

I am not sure why every AR thread turns into the same old argument, if you aren't on a small budget there is no reason to not get a higher quality firearm. You won't see anyone recommend a Taurus if someone asks about what pistol to buy with a budget of $600-$1000, I am not sure why this logic gets thrown out the window when it comes to ARs.
 
In your price range I would get a BCM. Well, I would build it myself but I would get a BCM upper minus hand guards. I like Magpul furniture, Troy free float rail, SSA-E trigger and I few other things here and there. I just built a rifle just like that and the quality compared to my RRA upper that I bought before I knew better was not even a close comparison.

I am not sure why every AR thread turns into the same old argument, if you aren't on a small budget there is no reason to not get a higher quality firearm. You won't see anyone recommend a Taurus if someone asks about what pistol to buy with a budget of $600-$1000, I am not sure why this logic gets thrown out the window when it comes to ARs.
Thank you all for the input and I apologize for starting another AR15 thread! I gave my price range to encourage some discussion on slightly pricier ARs than the standard stuff. I definitely want an AR that won't leave me disappointed in any area, regardless of how i wish to use it. The price range is a bit higher, simply because i want to make sure its the only AR15 I ever have to buy. I also realize that it isn't all that tough to assemble an AR. But I don't believe its easy to assemble a home AR with no prior knowledge that will mechanically outperform say, a daniel defense or a bcm. But so far, it sounds like daniel defense is my best bet. LMT is probably a bit more than i might like to spend, and Noveske looks great, but probably a bit too expensive as well. And it seems like BCM is mostly out of stock right now, although I really like the RECCE 16. So perhaps I'll try to track down a daniel defense M4 V7- it looks like just about exactly what I'm looking for. could I expect about 1 MOA or better?

Thank you all again for your responses!

And I am in Colorado BTW
 
Don't be intimidated to just get a complete upper and lower and put them together. It is literally just two takedown pins and it can't get any easier. I built my first AR with basically 0 experience with the platform and it performs great.

Also, you save money getting the upper and lower separate because you don't pay the tax that you would for a full gun.
 
Check out youtube for the Daniel Defense torture test promo. 95% of us will never need to drop our ARs out of choppers or have it handle explosive charges, but its nice to know that it can if it had to.
 
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Why, exactly, should the OP not buy the RRA or DPMS? I'd love to hear this...or maybe I don't. Sounds like the elitism is about to begin.

For the about the same money one would spend on an RRA or DPMS or the like, one could get a much higher grade, better quality more reliable riffle from the manufacturers I listed.

It is not at all elitism, it is an attempt to help fellow gun owners to make informed choices.

Hey horse... Here's the water.. YOU decide what to do with it.
 
For the about the same money one would spend on an RRA or DPMS or the like, one could get a much higher grade, better quality more reliable riffle from the manufacturers I listed.

It is not at all elitism, it is an attempt to help fellow gun owners to make informed choices.

Hey horse... Here's the water.. YOU decide what to do with it.
No, one can't. His price range eclipses expensive rifles, doesn't necessarily mean that's the best option. Furthermore, for varminting (OPs intended use, not mall ninja exercises) those two makers offer some of the best rifles for that use. Also, never had either rifle be unreliable. So, I can't agree there. I don't buy based on roll marks.

Has anyone said PSA?
 
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I guess i missed your budget when i posted before. At that price range, I would get a Noveske or maybe a Daniel Defense V5. The DDV5 is a great AR. You could put your savings toward an optic or ammo.
 
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No, one can't. His price range eclipses expensive rifles, doesn't necessarily mean that's the best option. Furthermore, for varminting (OPs intended use, not mall ninja exercises) those two makers offer some of the best rifles for that use. Also, never had either rifle be unreliable. So, I can't agree there. I don't buy based on roll marks.
Your statement that one can not get a higher quality AR than DPMS or RRA for about the same price already disqualifies you as a knowledgable source on the subject. Your use of the word "best" doesn't help you much either. To state that because YOUR DPMS and RRA AR's have been reliable for YOU, means they must be reliable in general is not exactly the evidence I'd be looking for.

Does owning a quality AR make one a "mall ninja"? Lol
To avoid being considered a "mall ninja" must one only purchase lower quality, 2nd and 3rd tier rifles? Lol. No need to answer those... Just something to ponder.

In the end, I could care less what you buy, or anyone else. It literally makes no difference to me. My recommendations were to let the OP know of quality manufacturers that have extremely good reputations earned through their quality rifles, that sell for extremely reasonable prices.

If you, meanmrmustard, are happy with your DPMS and RRA rifles, then I am happy for you. It makes zero difference to me if you or anyone else buy the same brand as I do. Even the thought that could matter to someone is laughable.

So.... OP... What did you decide on?
 
Your statement that one can not get a higher quality AR than DPMS or RRA for about the same price already disqualifies you as a knowledgable source on the subject. Your use of the word "best" doesn't help you much either. To state that because YOUR DPMS and RRA AR's have been reliable for YOU, means they must be reliable in general is not exactly the evidence I'd be looking for.

Does owning a quality AR make one a "mall ninja"? Lol
To avoid being considered a "mall ninja" must one only purchase lower quality, 2nd and 3rd tier rifles? Lol. No need to answer those... Just something to ponder.

In the end, I could care less what you buy, or anyone else. It literally makes no difference to me. My recommendations were to let the OP know of quality manufacturers that have extremely good reputations earned through their quality rifles, that sell for extremely reasonable prices.

If you, meanmrmustard, are happy with your DPMS and RRA rifles, then I am happy for you. It makes zero difference to me if you or anyone else buy the same brand as I do. Even the thought that could matter to someone is laughable.

So.... OP... What did you decide on?
Define quality. You've denounced your attempt at rebuttle with hypocratic subjectivism and trying to put words in type that I never did. To assume or imply at any time I deemed myself a REPUTABLE source takes you farther down the Rabbit Hole of desperation. I'm merely a consumer, and I've consumed some of the top and bottom of the heap as ARs are concerned. Threads asking opinion gets every type of subjective answer you could fathom. The thought that you expect otherwise is equally as laughable. But, Seinfeld you are not.

Good try though.
 
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If you constantly have to defend the quality of a brand then maybe you should look into brands that you don't hear that. Never heard a complaint from companies like BCM, DD, Noveske, LaRue, etc

DPMS, RRA, etc...yeah, not exactly the same situation. If all the gun is going to be used for is a range toy then whatever, if you are going to run it hard, depend on it for your life, or just want a nice gun then there is no reason not to buy one of the better brands.
 
I own a DPMS in 6.8spc, a RRA,and an Eagle arms based ar that I built in 5.56. They all have been accurate and reliable for my purposes, which are hunting and target shooting. I don't run thousands of rounds through them. That's not my thing. A day at the range,or the deer stand is what I like. Buy what you can afford that makes you happy.
 
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Building them isn't that hard, I put one together for my cousin on my lunch break today. Just take care not to put the takedown pin detents and springs into orbit. I put the whole thing in a plastic grocery bag, stick my hands in the bag and go for it. That way when I do launch one, it stays in the bag. Didn't launch the one today, but it happens often enough that many lower kits come with a spare set of spring and detent.
 
One of my uncles bought a DPMS last year. Now he hasn't had an AR since he was in the service with a M16 in the late 80's early 90's. He couldn't get the thing to work properly. It was a jam-o-matic for sure. I have experience with AR's.

The first thing I asked is did you oil it?
"Yes" was his answer.
I said soak it then.
He said "I did".

He said he was done and wanted to take the DPMS back. I told him I'll come over, let's at least see if we can fix it. This just made him even more angry. Well I get there and he is drinking a beer with the DPMS in the corner like a bad child. I almost laughed, but I didn't. He would become even more angry. I picked the rifle up and popped the pin and slid out the BCG. Right away I know what the problem is. They gas key is loose. Out to the garage we go. I tightened the screws down and to the back acres we went. The rifle was running fine now. He finishes off the first mag and turns around back to the house. I said "what's going on?". He said "I told you I was taking it back, will you drive me because I've been drinking?"

Gander Mountain took it back. Great customer service by the way. This isn't the first firearm my uncle bought there, they know him well. When I asked why he took it back he said " I've never in my life bought a new gun and had it malfunction from the get go! I will never buy a gun from DPMS again!" I kindly explained to him they are owned buy the freedom group along with Bushmaster and Marlin. He said " thanks I'll avoid them too".

My uncle is a very loyal kind of guy. He has always been this way. But he is right, I would never buy a gun from a company again if on the first day it wasn't properly assembled and malfunctioning. Freedom group has screwed up some really good firearm manufacturers. He now has a Palmetto State Armory and a Colt. He is more than happy with both. He is about to get another PSA, he seen my A4gery and was smitten. He said it reminded him of his issue weapon.

YOU GET GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! There are exeptions to the rule, but they are few and far between. PSA is about the cheapest I would go. The $1500 to $2000 amount you are going for puts you in Noveske, Daniel Defense, and other high end manufacturers. BUY ONCE, CRY ONCE. Mil-spec is prefered because it works. You can get a "20 barreled mil-spec rifle that is milspec. Freedom Group reminds me of AMF, they took Harley Davidson to the crapper back in the 70's trying to cheap out every little way they could.

Don't buy based on Fanboyism, these are the ones that only recommend 1 or 2 different manufacturers. These are like football fans. Ever seen two guys argue over Browns vs Steelers? These are the same way, only they are trying to defend their purchase not a really bad football team(Browns) or a possible rapist QB(Steelers).
 
I have a RR A2 and love shooting iron sites. i shoot against alot of the brands listed here and do better than most. The ones listed here would be from the selection if looking. You got to be careful and being so darn matter of fact on statements. Most is opinion - with most times very little imperical data to negate a brand. Good info comes out of this site. cool guys.
 
Finally narrowed it down a bit...

well after some more research and after taking a look at a noveske upper at a lgs, I believe I've officially narrowed it down to a daniel defense or a noveske. I'm still trying to decide which I should go for. A nearby gun store carries plenty of noveske products typically, but currently their stock of noveske items is low currently. Once they get some new noveske stuff in, I'll take a closer look. They are a bit pricier than daniel defense, but they seem like extremely high-quality rifles.

Thank you all for your input and advice- I really had absolutely no idea where to start looking and you've all helped me greatly! thanks!
 
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