GreenMTNLife
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I thought I remembered XDs getting some quite mixed reviews on accuracy. SA responded by adding "match" barrels to the XDm.
Are Glocks really less accurate than XD's?
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klash545
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well call me out all you want but alot of my clients and friends are police officers,i also am around cops quite a bit. i have never once,ever,seen an XD in an officers holster. to be honest some agencies around here carry 1911s too so not being able to carry single action guns in just bull. the hs2000 was a good two hundred and fifty dollar pistol when they first came over from croatia,but when springfield started importing them,stamped their name on and jacked the price up several hundred bucks it no longer was a good deal.
BushyGuy
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ou tof the box XD shoots better for me then a Glock, i am used to my SR9 so i can shoot that better then an XD or Glock. It takes some time to adjust to the different triggers . if i practice more with a Glock i can shoot it better but i like the grip better with my SR9.
everyone shoots different so pick the gun that works better for you , i am happy with my SR9.
everyone shoots different so pick the gun that works better for you , i am happy with my SR9.
DaisyCutter
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I don't consider Glocks to be incredibly accurate.
They are accurate enough.
Last week I did my annual police shooting module.
Every Glock managed to complete the course of fire, and the only shooters to not complete the course were non-Glock shooters.
Various people completed the course with unacceptable accuracy (even Glock shooters).
The foremost requirement is that the gun functions.
Accuracy is often overstated, especially for defense.
For close quarters, like Inside the shoot house, I didn't even use my sights.
Sure, at the 25 yard line a handgun's design and inherent ability to generate repeatable results are more important... but IMO it still comes at a distant second to the shooters mastery of shooting fundamentals.
In my experience, I have to give any perceived accuracy advantage, if there is any, to the XD.
I'm still a Glock shooter.
WHY?
I have to search the internet high & low and sometimes wait a month to find a left-handed Safariland holster for a Glock 22 outfitted with a weapon light (just because the website says "in stock" doesn't make it so).
The difficulty in finding the same holster for a similarly configured XD would increase exponentially.
Ergo, I carry the Glock (because it's so widely supported in terms of accessories and gear, and left-handers are not).
I have complete faith in my Glocks.
I think the "accuracy VS" discussion for Glocks and XDs is like comparing an F-150 and a Silverado. Just because one has 6 more horsepower doesn't make it superior. There are more factors to consider than just one number.
Accuracy is only ONE of several factors each potential customer must weigh.
"Can I get a suitable holster in a timely fashion?" IMO is a bigger question.
"Does it function well when dry and/or dirty?"
"Can it shoot a 500 round course of fire without repair or maintenance?"
Imagine watching police officer's weaponlights fall off onto the ground 30 rounds into a course of fire. Or watching the 1911 shooters scurrying around between courses of fire, cleaning & lubing their $1500 trophy pistols... or tightening their ivory grips or replacing adhesive grip tape on the grip, etc. As an officer and gun enthusiast, I'm glad my agency makes us do this annual shooting module. We get to see first hand what's going to work, and what will fail.
I love my Glock because when I shoot it ALL I"M CONCERNED WITH is the SIGHT PICTURE and TRIGGER CONTROL.
They are accurate enough.
Last week I did my annual police shooting module.
Every Glock managed to complete the course of fire, and the only shooters to not complete the course were non-Glock shooters.
Various people completed the course with unacceptable accuracy (even Glock shooters).
The foremost requirement is that the gun functions.
Accuracy is often overstated, especially for defense.
For close quarters, like Inside the shoot house, I didn't even use my sights.
Sure, at the 25 yard line a handgun's design and inherent ability to generate repeatable results are more important... but IMO it still comes at a distant second to the shooters mastery of shooting fundamentals.
In my experience, I have to give any perceived accuracy advantage, if there is any, to the XD.
I'm still a Glock shooter.
WHY?
I have to search the internet high & low and sometimes wait a month to find a left-handed Safariland holster for a Glock 22 outfitted with a weapon light (just because the website says "in stock" doesn't make it so).
The difficulty in finding the same holster for a similarly configured XD would increase exponentially.
Ergo, I carry the Glock (because it's so widely supported in terms of accessories and gear, and left-handers are not).
I have complete faith in my Glocks.
I think the "accuracy VS" discussion for Glocks and XDs is like comparing an F-150 and a Silverado. Just because one has 6 more horsepower doesn't make it superior. There are more factors to consider than just one number.
Accuracy is only ONE of several factors each potential customer must weigh.
"Can I get a suitable holster in a timely fashion?" IMO is a bigger question.
"Does it function well when dry and/or dirty?"
"Can it shoot a 500 round course of fire without repair or maintenance?"
Imagine watching police officer's weaponlights fall off onto the ground 30 rounds into a course of fire. Or watching the 1911 shooters scurrying around between courses of fire, cleaning & lubing their $1500 trophy pistols... or tightening their ivory grips or replacing adhesive grip tape on the grip, etc. As an officer and gun enthusiast, I'm glad my agency makes us do this annual shooting module. We get to see first hand what's going to work, and what will fail.
I love my Glock because when I shoot it ALL I"M CONCERNED WITH is the SIGHT PICTURE and TRIGGER CONTROL.
ForumSurfer
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I think accuracy is 95% shooter and 5% equipment.
I installed different sights that allowed for more precise shot placement. My groups shrank and I got hit targets beyond 25 yards much, much easier.
Did my sights make the gun more accurate? No, they helped correct my inability to line up precise shots and get a faster sight acquisition (due to the factory front sight being too wide and the factory rear having such a small gap, most folks shoot better with a thin front sight post and a wide rear notch once they try it). The gun is not any more accurate, at all...the other models on the shelf are just like it and just as accurate.
I installed different sights that allowed for more precise shot placement. My groups shrank and I got hit targets beyond 25 yards much, much easier.
Did my sights make the gun more accurate? No, they helped correct my inability to line up precise shots and get a faster sight acquisition (due to the factory front sight being too wide and the factory rear having such a small gap, most folks shoot better with a thin front sight post and a wide rear notch once they try it). The gun is not any more accurate, at all...the other models on the shelf are just like it and just as accurate.
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It still is a good price, you can find Springfield XDs on gunbroker for $450 and its a gun that is equal to a Glock. Sure it isn't as popular but for two reasons,
1. Its a single action and alot of PDs consider that bad mojo
2. It hasn't been around as long
You want to know jacked up prices? It cost $80 to make a Glock and they are being sold for about $500 - $600 average.
I think Glocks are slightly less accurate, but not for any inherent reasons.
I have a Glock 17 and have done some time with an XD9. The Glock to me is an accurate gun plagued by a bad trigger break on the second stage of the pull, or whatever it's called. It's like all 5.5lbs of the pull is in the last 1/16ths of an inch of the pull.
The XD has a much smoother, consistent trigger to me, but it is built like a brick and has pathetic follow-up ability - probably in part to the high bore axis contributing to a 'bigger' snap. Follow-up with my Glock however is much quicker.
So yeah, I think Glocks are 'less accurate' the same reason why I think XDs have horrendous follow-up: user-dependent factors. I imagine some other shooters here may be able to chime in, but all in all I prefer Glock; but, I think the XD has a much nicer trigger, so that can make or break the gun for the shooter as far as performance goes.
I have a Glock 17 and have done some time with an XD9. The Glock to me is an accurate gun plagued by a bad trigger break on the second stage of the pull, or whatever it's called. It's like all 5.5lbs of the pull is in the last 1/16ths of an inch of the pull.
The XD has a much smoother, consistent trigger to me, but it is built like a brick and has pathetic follow-up ability - probably in part to the high bore axis contributing to a 'bigger' snap. Follow-up with my Glock however is much quicker.
So yeah, I think Glocks are 'less accurate' the same reason why I think XDs have horrendous follow-up: user-dependent factors. I imagine some other shooters here may be able to chime in, but all in all I prefer Glock; but, I think the XD has a much nicer trigger, so that can make or break the gun for the shooter as far as performance goes.
Remo223
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^good point about the XD being top heavy.
easyrider604
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My G17 RTF2 does 4 inch groups at 15 meters, with my usual Mod-Weaver hold
I know my G17 can shoot much better than I. So as many said above, practical accuracy is way more than adequate.
This is my first poly gun (got in trade 4 months ago) and the barbeque lighter trigger is a long ways from the 1911 triggers I've gotten used to over the last 24 years. But I regret having ignored the Glock all these years. It is a design that will probably join the 1911 as one of the best Hand Guns ever.
All the talk about its weird grip fit/feel and other ergonomics made me prejudiced against Glocks, even when I actually handled a friend's Glock. But a shooter must be able to adapt to all and any handgun design.
I realized that the problem with the grip is not the gun's but with the shooter. I've had, have and could shoot most any semi and revolver style (1911, Sig, CZ, Browning HP, Ruger P-89/91/90, SR9, S&W J-K-L-N, Colt Python, Blackhawk). The G17, at the time, seemed like an ungrippable 2x4. But once I figured it out, the G17's grip now feels as good as, or better than any other make/type of grip. I guess gun makers/designers know more about grips than us shooters.
What really got me looking again into poly framed guns, specifically Glocks, were the endurance tests done on different models, most notable of which is the ongoing Chuck Taylor 300,000 round plus G17. There is even one G17 that had more than 1M rounds that is now in some ammo maker's museum in Germany (result of a quick web search). If I can verify this, I just might convert my 7-piece semi-auto collection to all-Glock.
I know my G17 can shoot much better than I. So as many said above, practical accuracy is way more than adequate.This is my first poly gun (got in trade 4 months ago) and the barbeque lighter trigger is a long ways from the 1911 triggers I've gotten used to over the last 24 years. But I regret having ignored the Glock all these years. It is a design that will probably join the 1911 as one of the best Hand Guns ever.
All the talk about its weird grip fit/feel and other ergonomics made me prejudiced against Glocks, even when I actually handled a friend's Glock. But a shooter must be able to adapt to all and any handgun design.
I realized that the problem with the grip is not the gun's but with the shooter. I've had, have and could shoot most any semi and revolver style (1911, Sig, CZ, Browning HP, Ruger P-89/91/90, SR9, S&W J-K-L-N, Colt Python, Blackhawk). The G17, at the time, seemed like an ungrippable 2x4. But once I figured it out, the G17's grip now feels as good as, or better than any other make/type of grip. I guess gun makers/designers know more about grips than us shooters.
What really got me looking again into poly framed guns, specifically Glocks, were the endurance tests done on different models, most notable of which is the ongoing Chuck Taylor 300,000 round plus G17. There is even one G17 that had more than 1M rounds that is now in some ammo maker's museum in Germany (result of a quick web search). If I can verify this, I just might convert my 7-piece semi-auto collection to all-Glock.
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Just a suggestion here: There is a gentleman named T. R. Graham who has invented a part for Glock pistols he calls a "Match Grade Slide Lock." It is basically a machine-cut piece of steel that has a smaller, thinner cut where the barrel locks up, making the lock up tighter. This in turn makes your groups tighter. I've personally installed this part on all my Glocks and have noticed a drastic difference in my accuracy after about 200-300 rounds after installation. It goes for about $30 + S&H, but it is well worth it and very easy to install; a MUST have for all Glock owners!
I personally have owned several Glocks and have found them wicked accurate, however some did have a less than good trigger pull which certainly effects any pistols accuracy. Dry firing does help to somewhat to break in connection points. Did have a Xd that had to be sent back as it would consistently group low. They did fix it.
Glocks are not target guns, except for the 34 and 35. Don't know about XD's.
Both are really worth around 200 bucks, for what they are.
If you think I'm wrong, look at how much profit Gaston Glock has made, and, what his partner tried to kill him over.
Guy is a genius. He designs a gun with high tolerance to abuse, using very few moving parts, what 27 parts total? Makes
those parts very easy to produce, and cheap.
Buys into police departments, etc. for advertizing by selling the guns at near cost, 150 dollars and less, then sells the same gun to the
public for 600 dollars. And you wonder why he's worth over 300 million dollars....
Genius at work.
Both are really worth around 200 bucks, for what they are.
If you think I'm wrong, look at how much profit Gaston Glock has made, and, what his partner tried to kill him over.
Guy is a genius. He designs a gun with high tolerance to abuse, using very few moving parts, what 27 parts total? Makes
those parts very easy to produce, and cheap.
Buys into police departments, etc. for advertizing by selling the guns at near cost, 150 dollars and less, then sells the same gun to the
public for 600 dollars. And you wonder why he's worth over 300 million dollars....
Genius at work.
easyrider604
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Well, Glock is an engineering genius who is a marketing whiz too. Could be a poor analogy, but Gaston Glock is the Bill Gates of the firearms world....they both had the vision and the know-how.
A man's got to do what he's got to do, and I believe Glock did everything right.
Remo223
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I could make it with even fewer parts. Ya know that silly thing they call a "trigger safety"? lose it. ya know those ridiculous plastic sights? ditch those and just go with sights machined into the slide(as part of the slide)
that's 4 fewer parts.
The Reverend
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Go to youtube... and look up a guy by the name of hickok45. This guy proves that the Glock platform is as accurate as any other platform. The gunrags and their writers are often worth little more than the paper their printed on.
My XD40 is accurate enough for me. When you get to quality builders like Glock and Springfield, it really comes down the shooter's ability over the inherent accuracy of the firearm. A good shooter can make an average gun look accurate, but a crappy shooter cannot make a good gun look accurate.
thefamcnaj
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I have quiet a few Glocks but about 7 months ago I bought an xdm 45. I was real excited about it when i bought it. It comes in the brief case with all the goodies, has the match grade barrel and on and on. I took it to the range along with my g21, and g30. It felt great in my hand and i thought, this gun is going to be great. But after 100 rounds out of each gun, it wasn't enough for me to jump off of the Glock wagon. The xdm was no more accurate for me personally than the 21 or even the compact g30.
So i sold the xdm for money towards a hk. I cant say any thing negative about the xdm. I actually want the 3.8 19+1 9mm.
So i sold the xdm for money towards a hk. I cant say any thing negative about the xdm. I actually want the 3.8 19+1 9mm.
both also had one more thing in common: timing. Both entered their revolutionary line of products back with a niche in mind that no one else met.
You don't need marketing when its only your market.
If Glock had released the G17 four years ago, it would be totally different.
Well, I HAD an XD .40 and was issued a G22 and they were both about equal on "accuracy" in my hands, yours may be a different story. I personally prefer a Glock because it suits me and my style of shooting better for some reason. That, and Glocks are like Honda Civics haha you can put anything on them and "pimp" em out. Got my spoiler and coffee can exhaust on the way
(That was a joke, I drive a Ford 4x4)
(That was a joke, I drive a Ford 4x4)
Crimp
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Both of the manufacturer's pistols are primarily service pistols, not target pistols.
My Glock 30SF, Glock 21, Springer XD9SC, XD9 Service and XD45 Tactical are each capable of shooting better than I can hold. None of them shoot better than my 4"-6" revolvers.
My XD triggers feel better to me than Glock's, but I have no complaint with either -- for service pistols.
Currently, my 30SF .45 is my favorite handgun, but the 5" XD45 easily outshoots it in my hands.
My Glock 30SF, Glock 21, Springer XD9SC, XD9 Service and XD45 Tactical are each capable of shooting better than I can hold. None of them shoot better than my 4"-6" revolvers.
My XD triggers feel better to me than Glock's, but I have no complaint with either -- for service pistols.
Currently, my 30SF .45 is my favorite handgun, but the 5" XD45 easily outshoots it in my hands.
CombatArmsUSAF
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Plain and simple- Most modern pistols are far more accurate than your average shooter is.
I've shot both XD's and Glocks and have found them both to be exceptional shooters. They both have their strong points and weak points, but overall they are both quality handguns.
Also, I think lower initial/replacement cost might have something to do with the fact that glocks are widely adopted for LE agency use. When you corner the market by selling your guns at damn near cost or below cost, you're not really allowing open competition. Especially when you're cost for manufacturing is far cheaper than guns with forged/machined receivers/
I've shot both XD's and Glocks and have found them both to be exceptional shooters. They both have their strong points and weak points, but overall they are both quality handguns.
Also, I think lower initial/replacement cost might have something to do with the fact that glocks are widely adopted for LE agency use. When you corner the market by selling your guns at damn near cost or below cost, you're not really allowing open competition. Especially when you're cost for manufacturing is far cheaper than guns with forged/machined receivers/
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