Are NFA items hard to get?

[N555]

Obviously most of us can go on gunbroker order the silencer we want and have it sent to our hopefully local FFL that deals in such things.

Assuming you don't have to drive 4 hours or even 1 hour to get your form4 NFA item and you have a local gun shop that will transfer your item, do you think the rest of the process makes them "hard to get"?
Is coughing up $200, submitting fingerprints, picture either by mail or electronically, waiting at least months sometimes the better part of a year to take possession of your item a process you would consider makes that item difficult or hard to obtain?
What if you move to a different state while items are in NFA jail?
If scraping together an extra $200 is hard for you, then there's your answer.
Me and my wife make about 6x the average household income for our zip code so that $200 tax is irrelevant for me.
I only have about a dozen tax stamps a mix of form1 and form4, so don't say I don't know what I'm talking about. I have everything except explosive DD and AOW. If there was no NFA process and say silencers were sold like other firearms, I would probably have at least 20 silencers, because I like silencers. Why do I think I need 20 silencers? Reasons of course.
Please no strawman or red herring arguments. We all know who I'm talking about. They're probably already on a lot of people's ignore list.

 

[dogtown tom]

 

[Madcap_Magician]

What is your question, exactly?

 

[CapnMac]

Hughes has made getting MGs more expensive, but not more complicated to get.
DDs and AOW remain about where they were.
For those with FEL, the DD are reasonably easy to get (although getting a Form 4 for a grenade can be sticky).
Since the late 90s the market n suppressors has expanded greatly. The volume of requests is probably more of a bottleneck than the process, itself.

Now, in some fairness, the Title II community is something of a collection of cliques. Witness the "cannon collecting" DD community, or the MG collecting community.

 

[jmorris]

If someone thinks it’s hard, might send them this link.

https://www.silencershop.com/understanding-atf-eforms/

 

[Soonerpesek]

Whether one thinks it's hard or not..............................................the end result sure is FUN.......!!!!

 

[N555]

What is your question, exactly?

do you think the [form1/form4] process makes them "hard to get"?
[Does taxation and registration] make that item difficult or hard to obtain?
What if you move to a different state while items are in NFA jail?

 

[N555]

Hughes has made getting MGs more expensive, but not more complicated to get.
DDs and AOW remain about where they were.
For those with FEL, the DD are reasonably easy to get (although getting a Form 4 for a grenade can be sticky).
Since the late 90s the market n suppressors has expanded greatly. The volume of requests is probably more of a bottleneck than the process, itself.

Now, in some fairness, the Title II community is something of a collection of cliques. Witness the "cannon collecting" DD community, or the MG collecting community.

Yeah could be worse, they could have invented a different process for each class of NFA.
There has only been exactly one (possibility more by now to that same person, pure speculation on my part) form4 hand grenade transfer to an individual in the last 20 years.
So if we said it's impossible to form4 a hand grenade now, we would technically be wrong. But for all intents and purposes it's impossible for me and you to get one. I don't know about you but I have enough land to put a bunker on and set off little hand grenades and I still couldn't get them.

 

[dogtown tom]

Hughes has made getting MGs more expensive, but not more complicated to get.

EXACTLY the same process as any other NFA firearm transfer. Now you say "not more complicated"?

DDs and AOW remain about where they were.

Huh?

For those with FEL, the DD are reasonably easy to get (although getting a Form 4 for a grenade can be sticky).

A Federal Explosives License has nothing to do with the transfer of a Destructive Device.
An 09FFL Dealer in Destructive Devices or 10FFL Manufacturer of Destructive Devices is required.

If you intend to deal in or manufacture high/low explosives, blasting agents or fireworks an FEL is required.
If all you intend to do is USE high/low explosives, blasting agents or fireworks them all you need is an explosives permit or limited permit.

Since the late 90s the market n suppressors has expanded greatly. The volume of requests is probably more of a bottleneck than the process, itself.

But it Sooooooooo haaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddd!

 

[dogtown tom]

Yeah could be worse, they could have invented a different process for each class of NFA.
There has only been exactly one (possibility more by now to that same person, pure speculation on my part) form4 hand grenade transfer to an individual in the last 20 years.
So if we said it's impossible to form4 a hand grenade now, we would technically be wrong. But for all intents and purposes it's impossible for me and you to get one. I don't know about you but I have enough land to put a bunker on and set off little hand grenades and I still couldn't get them.

No manufacturer or dealer wants to be the guy that sold a hand grenade to some yahoo. Thats why 09's and 10's restrict who gets sold to.
Those wanting to "make their own" do so via a Form 1.
Ordnance Lab does his own Molotov's, grenades, pipe bombs and rocket launchers: https://www.youtube.com/c/OrdnanceLab

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I still don't understand this question. Obviously the NFA makes NFA-controlled items harder to get than they would be if there was no NFA. That was the purpose of the NFA.

 

[AlexanderA]

Whether the NFA process makes NFA items "hard to get" is the wrong question. The NFA process makes NFA items illiquid, which in turn skews the market for them. Anything is available, if you want to pay the price. But do you want to tie up your money unproductively, for many months? That is the real question.

 

[entropy]

Nice way to phrase poll questions. You missed your calling at Gallup or Pew. Your phrasing this one as black and white, this or that, one extreme or the other sounds like the polls right outside the polls.

I still don't understand this question. Obviously the NFA makes NFA-controlled items harder to get than they would be if there was no NFA. That was the purpose of the NFA.

The questions' sole purpose is to stir up anger against the NFA/Hughes amendment.

 

[N555]

I still don't understand this question. Obviously the NFA makes NFA-controlled items harder to get than they would be if there was no NFA. That was the purpose of the NFA.

Yes. But some, a very tiny number don't seem to grasp the concept.

 

[N555]

No manufacturer or dealer wants to be the guy that sold a hand grenade to some yahoo. Thats why 09's and 10's restrict who gets sold to.
Those wanting to "make their own" do so via a Form 1.
Ordnance Lab does his own Molotov's, grenades, pipe bombs and rocket launchers: https://www.youtube.com/c/OrdnanceLab

You have the answer right there. It was one of the ordnance lab guys form 4ed a hand grenade to him self.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

Yes. But some, a very tiny number don't seem to grasp the concept.

So the purpose of the question was to troll people on the forum with whom you hadn't seen eye to eye in previous threads and lure them into a single thread where you can continue to not see eye to eye? Isn't that what Arfcom and Glocktalk are for?

 

[dogtown tom]

Yes. But some, a very tiny number don't seem to grasp the concept.

"harder to get" is not the same as "hard to get". But some, a very tiny number, don't seem to grasp the difference.

OP will freak out when he discovers how nightmarishly hard it is to buy a gun from the CMP.

 

[jmorris]

But for all intents and purposes it's impossible for me and you to get one.

Those who say they can’t and those who say they can are both often right…

Obstacles ≠ impossible, unless your a “can’t” person.

 

[WestKentucky]

Hard? Search “transferrable” on Gunbroker and pay the man. Submit your narrative. Wait for Uncle Sam to green light the stamp. Go have $100 a minute worth of fun.

 

[N555]

"harder to get" is not the same as "hard to get". But some, a very tiny number, don't seem to grasp the difference.

OP will freak out when he discovers how nightmarishly hard it is to buy a gun from the CMP.

I already know. No surprise I never have and I never will.

 

[N555]

So the purpose of the question was to troll people on the forum with whom you hadn't seen eye to eye in previous threads and lure them into a single thread where you can continue to not see eye to eye? Isn't that what Arfcom and Glocktalk are for?

I have no idea what you are talking about, this is but a simple poll.

 

[dogtown tom]

I have no idea what you are talking about,

Yeah, you do.

this is but a simple poll.

And not a very well thought out "poll" at all.
Your question or poll shows bias to YOUR viewpoint. It leads people to choose an answer that skews results to what YOU want to see.

Example:
"Is nighttime good for a healthy child?"
Yes, obviously.
No, children will have dreams during sleep, some are scary, causing nightmares and lifelong mental issues.

A biased survey has leading questions, loaded or assumptive questions, double barreled questions using and/or and other faults.
Your "simple poll" is biased. Therefore useless.

Your style of "poll" is similar to those used by Dr. Garen Wintemute of the Violence Prevention Research Program. He's quoted quite often by the gun control crowd.
His surveys include such gems as "Do you think the gun show loophole should be eliminated?"
Simply a yes or no poll. Not so simple when one understands there is no such thing as a "gun show loophole".

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I have no idea what you are talking about, this is but a simple poll.

A simple poll if it wasn't worded terribly.

 

[Hoser]

A simple poll if it wasn't worded terribly.

I agree. A simple yes or no would have been fine.

Because of the added fluff, I opted to not vote.

 

[MachIVshooter]

"Harder"? Wrong vernacular IMO. Excepting machinegun models that few or none are transferable, NFA acquisitions are a little more onerous and sometimes pretty expensive, but not difficult.

Because of the added fluff, I opted to not vote.

Same.