Are Revolvers Actually better than Autos?

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Hmmmm, an interesting thought to ponder. Is it possible that revolvers might just be superior to autoloaders? I think I'm beginning to side up with the old wheel shooters.

My weekends of late have been spent working up loads for the .38 special. What an absoultely wonderful old cartridge, it's just a joy to shoot, and very easy to reload. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it.

It's been several years since I have shot this cartridge, or for that matter, having shot reolvers in general. Like so many, I'd been bitten by the flash of XD's, Berettas, SIG's, etc, etc.

All this began several months ago, as the weather began to permit shooting again. I had just fitted a match barrel to my 1911 mil spec and wanted to work up a very accurate load for it. The first shots out of the barrel grouped into 1 hole at 25 yards, with 1 "flyer" about 1/2" away. That was the best I was to do out of the pistol for the next 4 shooting sessions. A lot of the groups I shot wouldn't best 2 1/2", and I began to wonder if it was me or the gun. So I decided to take out the Smith model 52 .38 master, which I had not yet fired (the clerk at the gun shop looked at me funny when I bought the gun, "your'e not going to actually fire that are you"? These guns were required to shoot 2" or less at 50 yards, so we were going to find out if it was just me that couldn't shoot.

So anyway, off we went to the range with several boxes of load work-ups, and for comparison, along came the 6" Security-Six. The comparison was an interesting eye opener.

To begin with the M-52 shot admirably, 1" to 2" groups at 25 yards (I did find out that I am the cause of larger groups, that's another story). What was interesting was how well the wheelgun performed by comparison.

My loads chrongraphed consistantly about 50 fps higher from the Security-Six, I had really expected the opposite, given the BC gap on the revolver, but this was not the case. The accuracy from my $212 Security-Six was every bit as good as the Smith target pistol, and perhaps a bit less fussy about the loads.

As I re-acquainted with revolvers after years of shooting autoloaders, several things occured to me about how superior they are:

1 Out of the box they are considerably more accurate than most autoloaders, and more forgiving of load.

2 They will shoot heavy loads, and light loads without ever having to worry about which recoil spring is installed. Will it function the action? Not to worry, if there's powder and a primer, she'll go bang.

3 No FTF's, FTE's, Stovepipes, etc.

4 Not too many autoloaders that can go toe to toe with the revolver on power.

5 You know when it's loaded.

6 The revolver is ideal to introduce the new shooter, clearing, loading, and shooting are so much less complicated.

7 You can easily see that it's loaded.

8 If you reload, your brass is really really easy to find.

9 "Glock Leg" much less likely to happen

10 And you gotta just love watching the cylinder turn.

Yup, I almost forgot how much I enjoyed em.
 
From an older guy who grew up with revolvers and stil prefers them, I have to also admitt I have a couple auto's and don't mind them at all.

I don't think it so much an idea of which is superior, they both have there place as well as their good and bad features over each other. Shoot'em both because life is to short to miss out. :D
 
9 "Glock Leg" much less likely to happen

What is "Glock Leg"?

I'm a relative novice and I much prefer a big heavy hunk of steel revolver over a Glock. The very limited experience I have with polymer pistols tells me I don't like lightweight things that jump about way too much in my hands. Of course, I can certainly see the appeal of light weight for a gun that's carried all the time.

I too appreciate the simplicity of revolvers. They also are far more elegant than Glocks where their style is a total lack of style.
 
Yes

OK I think I agree almost completely. Those are advantages over some automatics. I like them both. Depends on my bipolarity. Whats Glock Leg?
I dont have the new catalog.:D
 
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If you do it with a double action revolver, is it still Glock Leg? I mean its the guns fault either way , right?
 
^Guess it's not Glock Leg then, but where do you find a double action revolver (not cocked) with a trigger pull of 5.5 pounds like a Glock? A 10 pound double action trigger would seem to make Revolver Leg harder to inflict.

Doesn't NY City give their cops Glocks where the triggers are adjusted up to 11 pounds to protect them from themselves?
 
I was kindly suggesting its more of a training/headspace issue , rather than equipment.:uhoh:


It does remind me though, in the 70s cops used to blow they're index fingers off press checking Smith &Wesson 39s and 59s,
never heard it called Smith Finger, or heard it blamed on the gun. Maybe they did and I just missed it.
 
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It does remind me though, in the 70s cops used to blow they're index fingers off press checking Smith &Wesson 39s and 59s,
never heard it called Smith Finger, or heard it blamed on the gun.

Wow! How does that happen? You mean they actually set the primers off?
 
Yes with the hammers. When they pushed back on the front of the slide like you can do with a 1911, the protruding barrel would roll their sweaty little fingers off the front end, and the slide would crash forward, sometimes the hammer jumps too.
Sometimes their finger is on the trigger. Perforates some lockers too.
Used to know a guy that did it. Left index finger, between 1st and 2nd joint.
And the Smith rep told me he wasn't the only one.
 
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Yes with the hammers. When they pushed back on the front of the slide like you can do with a 1911, the protruding barrel would roll their sweaty little fingers off the front end, and the slide would crash forward, sometimes the hammer jumps too.

OK, I see how that would work. At first I thought somehow they pushed on the round too hard and set it off. That was a headscratcher.

If you do it with a double action revolver, is it still Glock Leg? I mean its the guns fault either way , right?

Actor and musician Levon Helm shot himself in the leg with a single-action .22 revolver while practicing his fast-draw for a part in the movie Red Headed Stranger. I guess they'd have to call that "Gunslinger Leg."
 
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Yup almost blew my knee cap off fast drawing grannys Colt , from my jeans pocket! I was about 14.

And it wasn't Colts fault.
 
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I don't dislike revolvers, but for fun, I'll play devil's advocate.

1 Out of the box they are considerably more accurate than most autoloaders, and more forgiving of load.

Revolvers more accurate than autoloaders? Gun myth, nothing more. Some revolvers are extremely accurate, so are some autoloaders.

2 They will shoot heavy loads, and light loads without ever having to worry about which recoil spring is installed. Will it function the action? Not to worry, if there's powder and a primer, she'll go bang.

Unless you're making some sort of wildcat load or a powderpuff load, the stock spring in an autoloader will handle most any commercially available ammo just fine. Many autoloaders also give you the ability to double strike the primer in the event that the first strike didn't work for some reason.

3 No FTF's, FTE's, Stovepipes, etc.

No timing issues.

4 Not too many autoloaders that can go toe to toe with the revolver on power.

There are no revolver loads too powerful for an autoloader. Just because nobody is making an autoloader with the power of a S&W 500 Magnum doesn't mean that an autoloader couldn't handle the power. There are plenty of high power autoloader rifles that demonstrate that the action is capable of handling high power. Also, autoloaders do a better job of absorbing the recoil of high power loads.

5 You know when it's loaded.

Not entirely. With a 6 shot revolver you can only see whether 5 chambers are loaded, the least important ones! Most autoloaders have loaded chamber indicators, many of which are tactile in addition to being visual indicators.

6 The revolver is ideal to introduce the new shooter, clearing, loading, and shooting are so much less complicated.

Really? Loading an autoloader is too complicated for a new shooter?

7 You can easily see that it's loaded.

We already covered this one.

8 If you reload, your brass is really really easy to find.

If you reload there is tons of autoloader brass laying around at the range. Not much revolver brass though.

9 "Glock Leg" much less likely to happen

NDs can happen with any type of firearm.

10 And you gotta just love watching the cylinder turn.

Yep, but nearly as much fun as watching the slide cycle.
 
I am a huge revolver nut, but I don't consider one or the other "better" on its own. It all comes down to what the individual prefers. For me, revolvers are better, but for the next guy or gal, maybe not.

Really? Loading an autoloader is too complicated for a new shooter?

In my experience, sometimes yes. It doesn't take much nervousness and intimidation to make the unloading/loading process of a semi auto challenging to grasp. I've had some people completely, utterly confounded about the ready status of an auto and how the round gets into the chamber. For example, I had one person think the only way to get a round into the chamber is to rack the slide. He even dropped a locked-back slide on a loaded mag, then immediately racked the slide spitting a live round out (you should have seen the confused look on his face). Did it more than once actually. And then of course there was unloading, involving the classic noob mistake of racking the slide on a loaded mag, then dropping the mag.

Revolvers OTH are much easier for the uninitiated to grasp. Press cylinder release, open cylinder and inspect. That's it.

For you and I, loading/unloading either is a snap. But for a brand new shooter bringing some nerves to the table, the revolver does seem to be easier to comprehend.
 
I'll start by confessing my bias. I graduated from the law enforcement academy in 1987, and this was in the beginning era of semi-auto's use in law enforcement. We basically had the 1911/Hi Power and the first generation of S&W (model 39), and our firearms instructor highlighted the horror stories associated with them.

With that being said, the most dependable weapon I own other than a Wheel Gun is probably my Glock 19, all my other semi-auto's (Ruger, S&W,Kahr) have all failed at one time or another. The revolver will basically go bang every time you pull the trigger, they're not ammo sensitive, and once you master the speed loader and trigger pull, they're a formidable combat weapon. Anyone who doubts this should watch old videos of Jerry Mucilek or Skeeter Skelton.

In all fairness I should state that I had a polymer striker fire revolver in the house for about a week, then it went bye bye.........Junk!:cuss:

LD45
 
I'll play devil's advocate.
I think the devil's advocate needs to go back to school because most of your mythbusting is incorrect.

1. Any good revolver will shoot 1" - 1.5" with preferred loads. It takes a very expensive, very tightly fitted automatic to shoot that well. Forget about reliability and forget about matching Freedom Arms shooting that well at twice the range.

2. Name one automatic that can go from 500fps mousefart loads to 1500fps monster mashers with zero modifications.

3. Any automatic can malfunction. Timing issues in revolvers are rare.

4. Your retort is complete nonsense. Magnum revolver cartridges begin at the .357Mag while the best auto cartridges only nip at its heels.

5. If you can't see the presence or absence of a casehead under the hammer, you need your eyes checked.

6. Autos aren't necessarily "too complicated" but it is fact that revolvers are simpler.

7. Redundant

8. Hmmm, I'll take brass that doesn't get tossed into the next county any day of the week. I shoot on my own property and it's extremely difficult to find cases in the grass. I'd rather be shooting than fishing for brass.

9. True. "Glock leg" is a result of mishandling and poor training. Not the gun's fault.

10. Huh???
 
i own more semis than revolvers. i shoot more semis than revolvers. i usually have more fun with semis than revolvers. i carry a wheelgun because i TRUST a revolver more than a semi
 
I'm with you on the 38 spl being a great old round. They're so many great revolvers out there that use this round. Most people walk on by the 38's unless it's a small CCW gun and then hardly ever shoot it. You can take an all steel service size revolver and shoot for hours with it and be mad that you ran out of ammo.
 
Moonpie...you about summed it up!

I love all my autos....but carrying an auto has to carry with it the thought process of clearing it in the event of a problem...ftf, fte etc.

My revolver...if it was out of time....i already knew it!
 
CraigC, I can't get the hostility in post 18. Did post 15 really cause that? The guys just having a little fun. not running for President. Or is this blowback from another thread?
In which case I'm already sorry I asked.
But I can't tell if your pro automatic, pro revolver, or just against this guy.
 
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From an older guy who grew up with revolvers and stil prefers them, I have to also admitt I have a couple auto's and don't mind them at all.

I don't think it so much an idea of which is superior, they both have there place as well as their good and bad features over each other. Shoot'em both because life is to short to miss out. :D
Same here.
 
Quick correction: When Glock leg is achieved with a DA revolver, it is most likely changed to "No leg"

BTW, Im 19, I love shooting, and I love revolvers. Even though I dont have one currently, Just my good ol CZ 75
 
So revolver vs semi auto accuracy?...hmmm. :evil:

IMHO both are only as accurate as the hand and the person behind them ;) . But you already knew that. A 6" barreled revolver vs a 1911 (what 5"?) for instance. Both in .45ACP. I'd go with the revolver. Snubbie vs same size barrel length semi auto, I'd imagine an equal deal.

There are distinct advantages to having a semi auto for the obvious reason of more round capacity mags vs some 7 and 8 shot cylinder revolvers but accuracy is best determined by the individual and not the weapon. I've seen some semi auto shooters downright deadly no matter what distance because they know their weapon, can adapt to "kentucky windage/sighting" and spend a lot of time shooting. I know an equal number of revolver shooters that will keep up shot for shot :)

Mtn :cool:
 
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