wolfe28
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I'm in the traditional camp. I love the look and feel of the classic front-stuffers. I have metalic cartrige guns for any time I want to go "modern". Don't have anything against in-lines, they just arn't for me.
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i hate in line with a passion and feel that they should only be legal during the normal rifle season unless you have bad eyes
give me technology anyday! if it was allowed in this state, i would have bought one of those in-lines that can shoot smokeless powder. but in michigan you have to use bp, or bp subs. so it didnt make any sense to me to spend the extra maney for one
Now don't forget BHP FAN us Virginia boys did have a few inline ignition style rifles that was a conversion of old Hall breachloaders.
Who said anything about crossbows???? I have seen exactly zero posts in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) that meet your criteria for amazement (inline users having hissy fits about crossbows).Mr. 16 gauge said:It amazes me the number of in-line users who think it's O.K. to use a in-line during black powder season, but go ballistic and have a hissy fit when they want to allow crossbows during bow season
You need to get a handle on reality. Nobody here was trying to get you to 'change your position' - they simply stated theirs, and you don't seem to be able to handle that.Mr. 16 gauge said:Well, if you dig one up from a civil war battlefield that has a synthetic stock, 3x9 variable scope, fiberglass ramrod, uses 209 primers for ignition, and shot smokeless powder to propel a jacketed bullet with a plastic sabot, then I might, might change my position on the subject, but until then, I am a traditionalist when it comes to a muzzleloading season.
Who said anything about crossbows???? I have seen exactly zero posts in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) that meet your criteria for amazement (inline users having hissy fits about crossbows).
You need to get a handle on reality. Nobody here was trying to get you to 'change your position' - they simply stated theirs, and you don't seem to be able to handle that.
Who said anything about crossbows???? I have seen exactly zero posts in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) that meet your criteria for amazement (inline users having hissy fits about crossbows
personally im a traditionalist. i love a side hammer or flintlock muzzleloader. i hate in line with a passion and feel that they should only be legal during the normal rifle season unless you have bad eyes. and the new electric ignition muzzleloader
oklahoma caveman said:actually there is. read the art of war. research for yourself and see when bp was invented. bp is primitive
Matt-J2 said:While we're here, I don't see why you should be allowed to use any sort of firearm for any season labelled as 'Primitive'. Should be only for those using things like spears and atl-atls. There's nothing primitive about gunpowder.
Matt-J2 said:Irrelevant. I don't consider BP to be old enough to constitute being primitive. It should be banned from any hunting season labeled as such. So should metal broadheads on arrows, and any bow made with modern materials like fiberglass or plastic.
Voodoochile said:So 1000 years isn't old enough?
Voodoochile said:If you go against one group of brethren because of the gear that they use, eventually you'll be all alone & there will not be any hunting allowed which is what the Anti's want.
Matt-J2 said:Quite frankly, no. Now also consider that while BP was developed in the 9th century(so more like 1200years old), firearms weren't developed until pretty late in the 13th century. We're certainly not talking about any of those here, either, so skip ahead again. In the early 16th century we see rifled barrels invented, though not in common use yet. It's not until nearly the middle of the 17th century that we see even the 'lowly' flintlock developed. So we're not even talking about 1200 year old technology, we're talking, at most, less than 400 year old technology. Given the more common use of the caplock system, which really came about in the early half of the 19th century, we're looking at less than 200 year old tech. I think at this point we're well beyond primitive. I will mention only in passing the modern materials used in even these reproductions, as I treat it merely as a point to consider, not as anything actually relevant. Especially in light of this:
Voodoochile said:If you go against one group of brethren because of the gear that they use, eventually you'll be all alone & there will not be any hunting allowed which is what the Anti's want.
Matt-J2 said:You do, in fact, understand the purpose of my posts on this matter, even the above portion of this post. Point 1, is as you say above. Point 2 is that if you're going to put yourself out and complain about tool X being used in X season, be prepared to meet the same sort of response. Especially for a season with a ridiculous naming convention such as 'primitive'. That's really my only peeve with it.