I was walking around Phoenix Mountains park today, and I saw several signs that said something to the effect that carrying firearms in improved areas was limited to only those with a CWP (at least I assume that is what the portion of the A.R.S. they were referring to is about, unfortunately I didn't write it down or take a picture). Is this a holdover from before constitutional carry, or does it still require a license to carry in these areas? It makes no difference to me, because I have an AZ CWP and a TX CHL, but I am curious.
Arizona signs question
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WardenWolf
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It's still in force, because there's a few areas that specifically require a license, such as restaurants, to carry concealed in. If it's an area that specifically requires a CWP, it still applies. Blame it primarily on our local mayor, who doesn't like guns or concealed carry.
kingpin008
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That's only restaurants that serve alcohol to be consumed on the pemises, correct? I ask, because I'm visiting AZ in a few months and was under the impression that carrying w/o a permit was fine in a restuarant, provided they didn't serve alcohol. I'd really like to remain legal while on my honeymoon!
WardenWolf
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No, it's restaurants in general, I believe. Arizona's Constitutional Carry is really more of an incidental carry law. You can't be prosecuted if you just happen to have it concealed under a coat, for example, or for women who can't easily carry exposed. But for more deliberate carry on most private premises you need a permit.
kingpin008
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Ok, so I did a little digging to make sure, and I'm right - it's just restaurants that serve alcohol by the drink.
Are there any firearm restrictions?
Please see below for firearm restrictions:
* Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)
from - http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concealed_Weapons/Questions/#31
So, if they serve booze & I don't have a permit, the gun stays in the car but I can still get a burger.
Are there any firearm restrictions?
Please see below for firearm restrictions:
* Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)
from - http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concealed_Weapons/Questions/#31
So, if they serve booze & I don't have a permit, the gun stays in the car but I can still get a burger.
Shadow 7D
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Remember just because you don't have a permit doesn't mean you don't have to know EVERYTHING the permitte knows, plus those special limitations on general CC. If you have a question, or aren't sure, look it up in the statues.
kingpin008
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Shadow - I hear ya on that one. This will be the first opportunity to carry that I've ever had, so you can bet I'm doing everything I can do in order to be 100% legal. I'm sure the jails in AZ are as beautiful as the rest of the state, but I'd rather not find out first hand!
I did find it interesting that the prohibition only applied to improved areas. That might be a difficult distinction to draw. Are the trails considered improved areas? They most certainly have been improved (since they appear to be maintained), but I am not sure the intent was to apply to the trails themselves, but rather the ramadas (which consist of concrete pads, pavillions, & stone benches).
Congratulations.kingpin008 said:
You might want to look into getting an Arizona permit. They have eased up the training requirements, and you may now be able to get one entirely by mail. It used to be that you needed to fulfill the training requirements in Arizona. But i believe now there are a number of options in that regard. (Or look into a Florida permit, which I believe is honored in Arizona.)
I don't know if you'll have time, but it might be worth checking out.
It's true that the permit rule applies only to restaurants that serve alcohol by the drink. But that of course includes an awful lot of restaurants. It's tough to find a place worth eating at that doesn't at least serve beer and wine.
On my last trip to Arizona I found the new rule a great convenience. I could go to a restaurant for a meal and not have to stash my gun in the car (I have an Arizona permit.).
But in any case, even in a restaurant with a permit, you may not drink.
kingpin008
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Fiddletown - Thanks for the congrats.
As for the AZ permit, we unfortunately don't have the time and resources. I'm fine with following the rules regarding non-permit carry, though.
In regards to decent places to eat - I've been doing a little research for awhile on where to eat while we're out there. My wife & I are vegan, so while we do have some restrictions, finding good options at even the most meat-centric joints isn't that hard. I've been able to find quite a few vegan places as well, including many that don't serve booze. Hell, if it comes down to it I love me some Taco Bell.
I don't drink that often anyway, so not being able to partake while carrying isn't a big deal.
As for the AZ permit, we unfortunately don't have the time and resources. I'm fine with following the rules regarding non-permit carry, though.
In regards to decent places to eat - I've been doing a little research for awhile on where to eat while we're out there. My wife & I are vegan, so while we do have some restrictions, finding good options at even the most meat-centric joints isn't that hard. I've been able to find quite a few vegan places as well, including many that don't serve booze. Hell, if it comes down to it I love me some Taco Bell.
I don't drink that often anyway, so not being able to partake while carrying isn't a big deal.
essayons21
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Unfortunately, it is rare to find many establishments that don't have a license to serve alcohol, so be extra cautious. Heck, around here even some of our fast food joints have an alcohol license to serve beer.
Until recently in VA, it was illegal to carry even with a CCP in these establishments, resulting in a de facto gun ban in restaurants. Unless you wanted to open carry, but I digress. Thankfully we recently got that all cleared up.
Off topic, but what vegan options does Taco Bell offer?
Until recently in VA, it was illegal to carry even with a CCP in these establishments, resulting in a de facto gun ban in restaurants. Unless you wanted to open carry, but I digress. Thankfully we recently got that all cleared up.
Off topic, but what vegan options does Taco Bell offer?
kingpin008
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Essayons - Thanks for the concern - I'm planning on being very careful.
As far as Taco Bell, I don't recall all of the options but the Bean Burrito Fresco Style w/o cheese is 100% animal free and deeeelicious. My lady also likes to get the Mexican pizza w/ beans instead of meat and no cheese on occasion.
As far as Taco Bell, I don't recall all of the options but the Bean Burrito Fresco Style w/o cheese is 100% animal free and deeeelicious. My lady also likes to get the Mexican pizza w/ beans instead of meat and no cheese on occasion.
RETG
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NOPE! They are not. Been in a few (on official business, not as a resident), and they are far from being beautiful.
kingpin008
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RETG - It was a joke, son! A joke! 
RETG
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kingpin008...
did you notice the after my statement. I knew it was a joke....
by the way, most likely I'm too old to be your son....
did you notice the
after my statement. I knew it was a joke....by the way, most likely I'm too old to be your son....
armoredman
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They haven't gotten any nicer.
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