Armed Home Invasion
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The story does sound very funny. I am suspicious.
That said, if given the situation, the correct thing to do would have been to send the BG's to Jesus on a wave of hot lead a flame so he can pardon them of their sins in a more expedient manner. Sorry, but if you break into a house armed and looking for trouble, you have no right to complain when trouble finds you first.
That said, if given the situation, the correct thing to do would have been to send the BG's to Jesus on a wave of hot lead a flame so he can pardon them of their sins in a more expedient manner. Sorry, but if you break into a house armed and looking for trouble, you have no right to complain when trouble finds you first.
kwelz
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I can't say as to the validity of the story but I can say that I have no doubt people are this stupid.
MinnMooney
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Equating "Turn-the-other-cheek" folks to "generational welfare" recipients.
I'm not a christian and certainly not a 'Jesus freak' nor a Jew, Muslem, Buddist or any other believer in the various religions.
That being said, I'm not foolish enough to make the same mistake 3 (or more) times.................... unless it was a really fun mistake.
I know people in every one of the above faiths and none of them would do what the step-grandpa did. What I'm saying is, 'turn-the-other-cheek' folks come in every (or no) denomination. It's what they evidently believe is the proper way to behave.
Someone earlier said that Darwin's therory would eliminate their kind from the gene pool after several generations. And it would - EXCEPT for those who feel the need to protect them from the evil-doers. That's how they live to reproduce and futher their kind.
It's a lot like generational welfare. Those that leech off others continue to live and reproduce another generation of leeches because of hard working folks who earn enough to feed themselves even after having the gov't suck off some of their pay to give to the lazy. (P.S. I'm not against welfare for those who can't provide for themselves.)
I'm not a christian and certainly not a 'Jesus freak' nor a Jew, Muslem, Buddist or any other believer in the various religions.
That being said, I'm not foolish enough to make the same mistake 3 (or more) times.................... unless it was a really fun mistake.
I know people in every one of the above faiths and none of them would do what the step-grandpa did. What I'm saying is, 'turn-the-other-cheek' folks come in every (or no) denomination. It's what they evidently believe is the proper way to behave.Someone earlier said that Darwin's therory would eliminate their kind from the gene pool after several generations. And it would - EXCEPT for those who feel the need to protect them from the evil-doers. That's how they live to reproduce and futher their kind.
It's a lot like generational welfare. Those that leech off others continue to live and reproduce another generation of leeches because of hard working folks who earn enough to feed themselves even after having the gov't suck off some of their pay to give to the lazy. (P.S. I'm not against welfare for those who can't provide for themselves.)
Call me crazy but, I ain't opening my front door after dark to anyone who isn't a) invited or b) wearing a badge and holding a warrant. Even then I'm going to be armed with a pistol.
This is a comedy of tactical errors that, thankfully, nobody got butchered in.
Opening the door at 1:30 in the morning to strangers .... jeeze
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Plus about a million to the above , but then I live way ,way out in the boonies and behind a locked gate , it's about 3/8ths of a miles to the gate ,pound on my door at 1:30 in the morning and I'm going out the backdoor and around the house to the front , and I'm not going to be unarmed , and yes I'm checking outside prior to exiting the backdoor.
We've had a great deal of trouble around here with the mexican cartels growing dope , and I won't go into detail on an open forum with who knows who reading but they steer clear of me and my two closest neighbors , both of whom ( by pre-arrangement) will come running with a simple phone call or a couple of words over the radio , as I will for them.
And the local Sheriff knows of our arrangement and approves , even more so since some of us bailed on of his deputies out of a bad spot a while back , kind of freaks the bad guys out when three heavily armed locals materialise out of the dark while they've got a deputy on the ground kicking the **** out of him ( my neighbor could see the lights on the cruiser from the road and figured something bad was going down) , he was a rookie and pulled a traffic stop and lost control of the situation , the bad guys in question had a significant amount of meth in the car and are awaiting trial.
DON'T open the door without identifying who is there , any LEO presence is going to most likely identify themselves as such.
And this has very little to do with ones religious beliefs and a whole hell of a lot to do with self preservation.
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This is a comedy of tactical errors that, thankfully, nobody got butchered in.
Opening the door at 1:30 in the morning to strangers .... jeeze
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Plus about a million to the above , but then I live way ,way out in the boonies and behind a locked gate , it's about 3/8ths of a miles to the gate ,pound on my door at 1:30 in the morning and I'm going out the backdoor and around the house to the front , and I'm not going to be unarmed , and yes I'm checking outside prior to exiting the backdoor.
We've had a great deal of trouble around here with the mexican cartels growing dope , and I won't go into detail on an open forum with who knows who reading but they steer clear of me and my two closest neighbors , both of whom ( by pre-arrangement) will come running with a simple phone call or a couple of words over the radio , as I will for them.
And the local Sheriff knows of our arrangement and approves , even more so since some of us bailed on of his deputies out of a bad spot a while back , kind of freaks the bad guys out when three heavily armed locals materialise out of the dark while they've got a deputy on the ground kicking the **** out of him ( my neighbor could see the lights on the cruiser from the road and figured something bad was going down) , he was a rookie and pulled a traffic stop and lost control of the situation , the bad guys in question had a significant amount of meth in the car and are awaiting trial.
DON'T open the door without identifying who is there , any LEO presence is going to most likely identify themselves as such.
And this has very little to do with ones religious beliefs and a whole hell of a lot to do with self preservation.
B.
wgaynor
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"I don't buy the Hollywood stereotype of Jesus...you know, the wimpy guy with the beard. The real Jesus was a man's man. Tough and strong. And so should his followers be."
Hey Prof, I like that...might have to use that as my tag line...
Hey Prof, I like that...might have to use that as my tag line...
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Maybe couch guy was in on it? Maybe old timer has a bit of dimentia and the couch guy has been capitalizing on it?
Officers'Wife
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My Dad claims that his .45 can put the fear of God into a sinner as well as the priest can with his sermons. When Father Bob complained, Dad put a Bible on the table and said simply. 'I know where Jesus says to love thy neighbor, you are going to have to show me where it says to be a fool about it.'
mljdeckard
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A man whose house has been hit (!?%#@) SEVEN TIMES should know better than to keep $35k in CASH in the HOUSE. That's like a guy who has been struck by lightening twice standing on a football field in a thunderstorm holding up a golf club in the air.
These guys KNEW that cash was in there. Without further knowledge of the household and family, I'm going to make a leap here, and guess that the guy who had a gun and DIDN'T SHOOT IT, had a piece of this action. Just sayin'.
Trust in your God. Live your ethic. Cool. This will be your comfort when you are repeatedly victimized by those you love. I love my kids, but they don't know where the keys to everything are.
These guys KNEW that cash was in there. Without further knowledge of the household and family, I'm going to make a leap here, and guess that the guy who had a gun and DIDN'T SHOOT IT, had a piece of this action. Just sayin'.
Trust in your God. Live your ethic. Cool. This will be your comfort when you are repeatedly victimized by those you love. I love my kids, but they don't know where the keys to everything are.
DC3-CVN-72
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I'm with wgaynor, 3 guys invade my home, one has a gun out, he can drop the gun when I blow his arm off !!
I too am a Christian and would not have put my only defensive tool down. And I can't say for certain but my gut feeling would've been to shoot without saying a word.
7 TIMES!!! $35,000!!! Something is very wrong with the whole situation (all 7 of them) and Jesus is the last person who needs the blame. Espescially from the one who seems to be placing the blame (step gd if I'm reading that right).
Ecclesiastes 3 (vs 3) a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,
7 TIMES!!! $35,000!!! Something is very wrong with the whole situation (all 7 of them) and Jesus is the last person who needs the blame. Espescially from the one who seems to be placing the blame (step gd if I'm reading that right).
Ecclesiastes 3 (vs 3) a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,
millertyme
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My grandad was the kind of guy that would have opened the door to a stranger but them pulling the pistol out would likely have been their last mistake, assuming they didn't run fast enough to get away. He was one of the most merciful individuals and one of the daddest mother f*****'s and in my prime (22 years old, 6-1, 245 lbs, steelworker) would have hesitated to challenge him when he was 65. Christian or not, any one of the first ten amendments to the Constitution can be justified or paralleled by scripture, especially the right to keep and bear arms in defense of liberty from either an oppressive government or a agent looking take advantage of you. I would hate to find myself in a situation where I had to choose to pull the trigger on someone else but I know how passionate I am about serving up BG's with bad intentions. Is there any factual knowledge anyone can share about relfex actions, specifically if the firearm the BG held had been loaded and cocked, would decapitating him actually cause the Hollywood-esque reaction of the trigger finger constricting and discharging the weapon or is that all bull****? How about a full load of buckshot across his elbow?
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If its past 11PM, and there is a knock at the door, I always make a point to get my .45 and at the very least have it tucked in my pants at the 6 oclock before answering the door.
Haven't had any issues yet.
Haven't had any issues yet.
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Well, he got it half right--he had the shotgun ready. Now if he just had the balls to realize that he really didn't have the choice not to shoot. They're lucky they weren't murdered.
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Jesus knew the Romans might kill him when he tipped the money changers tables. In those days, I bet they didn't read you your rights.
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"The only way you're going to live Mr. BG is PUT THE GUN DOWN!"
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"Who do you want the police to inform that you've been killed?"
MT GUNNY
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You would think after the 2 or 3rd time you would stop answering the door!
Erik M
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Aside from the fact that Im not a pastor I could not have worded my thoughts on the matter any better.
Pileatus
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Why didn't he shoot? Isn't that what the shotgun is there for? Or shoot to disable instead of to kill...easier said than done with a shotgun, but perhaps if you aimed low it might work. The instant someone threatens me or my family with a gun, they are dead to me. Religion's got nothing to do with it...it's called the right to protect yourself, and there's nothing in the Koran, Bible, or Torah that says you can't defend yourself or another. Admittedly, I'm not a "Jesus freak" or even Christian...I'm Jewish...but the fact that so-and-so is a Christian and I'm a Jew and Mr. X over there is Buddhist has nothing to do with one's right to preserve their own life, or the lives of their family when they are threatened with death! I would challenge anyone of any religion to find me textual evidence that says you can't defend yourself in that kind of situation, or ask the shotgun weilder to point out where in the Bible/New Testament he isn't allowed to shoot. Personally, my philosophy is we only get one shot at living, AKA here and now, and anyone who is clearly and obviously willing to take that away from me or my family through deadly force is giving me the all clear to shoot first and ask questions later. I hope to G-d I never find myself in that situation, but if I did, as soon as BG 1 told me to drop the gun or my dad dies, there would be shotgun BBs flying in his general direction.
All that being said, it's kind of interesting to watch Darwin at work...just unfortunate that some people have to be the case study!
All that being said, it's kind of interesting to watch Darwin at work...just unfortunate that some people have to be the case study!
No Offense, but having been in a home invasion some thirty years ago, I doubt the story is true. There is no way that these folks could have been dumb enough to have 7 "home invasions", and still behave as you described. It sounds more like an insurance job.
One of the first things that came to mind was, "how was the shotgun loaded?" Unless it had slugs in it, he had no chance of taking out the intruder without hitting his father in the process. In which case, he made the right call.
Cosmoline
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Do not open your door unless you know who it is and you want them to come in. This is a very very simple rule but for reasons which escape me many people seem unable to follow it.
The original story sounds really bizarre. It is compound hearsay so I wouldn't give it any credence.
The original story sounds really bizarre. It is compound hearsay so I wouldn't give it any credence.
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wishin
It is not only possible but common SWAT training to take the hostage shot with a shotgun, using buckshot. The spread isn't as big as you think it is, and it can be controlled. You need to pattern your gun and practice.
It is not only possible but common SWAT training to take the hostage shot with a shotgun, using buckshot. The spread isn't as big as you think it is, and it can be controlled. You need to pattern your gun and practice.
rfwobbly
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Please tell your dad's brother, there's a nice Christian guy in Atlanta who can hold his money for him without loosing it and without putting it in a bank. I only have a minor monthly service fee.
Please tell your dad's brother, there's a nice Christian guy in Atlanta who can hold his money for him without loosing it and without putting it in a bank. I only have a minor monthly service fee.
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