Carl N. Brown
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We have to deal with the world the way it is, not as it should be, while working if we can to change it.
You should add Hawaii to your list.cwl1862 said:And thats why I'll never travel to NYC, Chicago, SF, LA, etc. I'm not going anywhere my firearm isn't welcome! Let the libs have it! maybe one day the sheeple that live in these urban cesspools will wake up and throw the socialist out! Until then I'll frequent more gun friendly cities and states!
On the other hand, what would stop them from getting a Utah permit if reciprocity is signed?
You know a defense under the Heller ruling could be made. Since the Supreme Court has said it is unconstitutional for handguns to be outright banned and NY does not grant pistol permits to non-residents there is a clear violation of Mr Meckler's 2nd Amendment rights as recognized by caselaw from SCOTUS.
The national reciprocity law doesn't recognize non-resident permits. If you're in one of the bad counties of NY or any other area of the country that doesn't issue permits, you won't be able to take advantage of the law. I believe this also applies to VT because VT doesn't issue permits, they just recognize the 2nd Amendment (at least in regards to concealed carry).Utah changed their law. Now, to get a Utah non-resident permit, you must already have a permit in your state of residence. Have to get a Florida non-resident permit.
national reciprocity bill. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.national reciprocity law
The national reciprocity law doesn't recognize non-resident permits. If you're in one of the bad counties of NY or any other area of the country that doesn't issue permits, you won't be able to take advantage of the law. I believe this also applies to VT because VT doesn't issue permits, they just recognize the 2nd Amendment (at least in regards to concealed carry).
In re Vermont, I wonder if it could be argued that since all residents are "permitted" Consitutionally, individual permits are not required.
I think I understand the concept. FWIW, I don't see a lot of difference between "the Constitution affirms [the] legality..." and "'permitted' Constitutionally". I put permitted in quotes in my original to indicate it is used as analogy in its second definition (resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike).OT, but I want to point out that you've got this conceptually wrong.
Yeah, so are we.Vermonters look out on the rest of the country and see that what we consider our birthright is mere privilege for the rest of you and are saddened.
I have followed this with interest since Tennesse recognizes all valid out-of-state handgun permits, a person with a valid handgun permit checking a gun in a lock box with the TSA at the regional airport would not raise any red flags. He and his gun would be presumed legal.
I'd think that the proper way to handle this is to tell them they need to hold it and place it on the proper connecting flight - refuse to take it. If they try to force it on you, I'd imagine that you should be the one to contact police to inform them that the airline was attempting to coerce you into committing a felony.OK, this is a hypothetical, because the facts in this case are different.... BUT...
Your airplane is diverted to NYC through no fault of your own, and you are forced to stay overnight in NYC through no fault of your own, and the airline hands you your suitcase with your legally-checked gun in it, and the instant you touch the suitcase, you're guilty of a felony...
So why aren't the ticket agent and baggage handler ALSO guilty? They had no more intention of committing a felony than you, but also no less.
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FOPA should protect you in exactly the same way it protects someone from PA or VT or wherever else making the same trip.I'm licensed to own handguns in New York State, but since I'm outside of NYC said permit is invalid in all five boroughs. Technically, I'd be bringing an "unregistered handgun for which I don't have a NYC permit" into the boroughs if I flew out of LGA or JFK to another, gun friendly state and back.
Or does the fact that I live in New York State help in any way? Anyone know?
Right. But if your plane lands in NY, and you disembark, and your luggage is placed back into your care, the moment you take possession of the case with your pistol in it, you are in felonious possession of an unregistered handgun, according to NYS law.