Arthritis Question

For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb and the base and middle joint of my middle finger. It comes and goes and It just dawned on me that my shooting hand may have started to become arthritic. I have noticed that as I push 60 recoil is more of an issue.
As an ex Army medic pushing 57, my body too has started to show signs of aging with body parts starting to wear/fail (sore back, cataract surgery for eyes, stiff joints especially on cold mornings, slow muscle group warm up, etc. etc.)

I have also taught many older shooters defensive/point shooting techniques particularly those with arthritis of hands and/or shaky grip. One thing that helped was using two handed neutral push/pull grip that transferred the work of gripping from hands/forearms to larger shoulders/chest muscles - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-control.834737/page-2#post-11245649

I use Glock 22/23 for training and many found shooting 9mm with 40-9mm conversion barrels helped lessen the recoil. If you reload, you can drop powder charges for light 9mm/40S&W target loads that are pleasant to shoot (You can drop 180 gr 40S&W load data slightly below start charges with faster burning than W231/HP-38 powders for lighter than 9mm recoil loads)

And using Advantage Arms 22LR slide kit allows even lighter recoil training with same trigger, especially for fast point shooting, which is beneficial if you have aging eye sight issues also - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...hose-with-vision-issues.891558/#post-11989239

If you prefer 1911 platform, GSG 1911 in 22LR (Same pistol as Sig 1911 22LR) provides light recoil shooting.
 
I am curious about your left shoulder though. My son recently had a total shoulder replacement. They removed the entire joint and put in a brand new titanium one. No, it doesn't have the movement or strength of the old one but it doesn't hurt unless he overloads it.

Interesting. Your comment prompted me to go looking into total shoulder replacement. I wasn’t aware that was available now. I had my two shoulder surgeries in 2012 when the only option was to remove the damaged cartilage. At the time they could not replace the socket portion of the shoulder bones. I guess now they can. Thank you for mentioning this. :)
 
I wonder if cortisone shots to joints would reduce inflammation like it does for other, larger joints? You just can't do too many of them before it damages your tendons and ligaments. I needed surgery on an elbow that had too many shots as it turned my ligaments & tendons to the "consistency of snot," that's a direct quote from my surgeon.

Also, I've had hyaluronic acid injections into my knee that had no cartilage left, it improved its pain and disfunction a bit for maybe 6 or more months.
 
Interesting. Your comment prompted me to go looking into total shoulder replacement. I wasn’t aware that was available now. I had my two shoulder surgeries in 2012 when the only option was to remove the damaged cartilage. At the time they could not replace the socket portion of the shoulder bones. I guess now they can. Thank you for mentioning this. :)

My pain and torture sessions were for 3 months after each surgery. My son's was 6 months and more complicated. He says it was worth it. More muscles involved than just one with a rotator cuff is probably the the reason.
 
I have to pay more attention to when the symptoms show themselves. I haven't shot in two weeks but have been doing some home improvement projects. At first this seemed to aggravate things but the last few days they have loosened up and feel a bunch better. Just to be sure whatever I have rubber grips for most guns in "the box" and will put them put back on for the time being. I don't shoot heavy loads, I load mild even though I mostly shoot .38 and up. If its anything that caused it, it is most likely 30 years of +P out of a J Frame.
 
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If its anything that caused it, it is most likely 30 years of +P out of a J Frame.
It wasn't the "years" of shooting that caused the arthritis in my wife's right thumb joint, it was the thousands of full-house 44 Magnum rounds fired in her Ruger Super Blackhawks in just a few years in the '80s during IHMSA competitions and practice. :eek: She has a lot of trophies and fond memories though. ;)
It's kinda off topic, but the arthritis in my right ankle is the result of just one pheasant hunt on Thanksgiving morning 7 or 8 years ago. I slipped coming down a muddy slope, fell, and broke my ankle in 3 places. The night before last, my ankle woke me up and told me there was a snowstorm coming. Sure enough - the snowstorm arrived yesterday evening. :uhoh:
God willing, I'll still be going pheasant hunting when the season comes around again though - arthritic ankle or not. :thumbup:
 
If its anything that caused it, it is most likely 30 years of +P out of a J Frame.
Most people shooting lots of +P and magnum rounds over a long time are borrowing against the future. There's nothing wrong with that choice, as long as you realize you're making it, but someday it probably is going to catch up with you.
 
Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease vs. osteo arthritis which is caused by wear/ tear/aging process. I'm 72 and diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis & 100% disabled 6 years ago so I fired my doctor and found another. With meds I'm hiking and working out again. If your pain becomes chronic see a doctor of course. If you do have arthritis it's important to stay active and moving. Also important to be proactive reading about whatever's ailing you and asking questions of your doctor. I wear gel padded bicycle gloves even when I shoot 38's now out of a K or L frame revolver. They're not bulky, cover only half my fingers and help protect my hands. Hope your hand pain is only occasional discomfort.
 
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Most people shooting lots of +P and magnum rounds over a long time are borrowing against the future. There's nothing wrong with that choice, as long as you realize you're making it, but someday it probably is going to catch up with you.
My 640 was my off duty/back up gun for many decades. I can only estimate how many thousands of rounds have been through it over the years, mostly with Secret Service size grips. I really only shot +P ammo out of it it's whole life. The only time I have ever felt discomfort lasting more than a few seconds was after a few winter outdoor qualifications of 100 rounds using Federal Nyclad 158 SWC-HP (FBI Load) without gloves. That was more than once though. The ammo was free and then later the +P 135 Grain Gold Dots Short Barrel. These are what I practiced and took classes with. Ammo was free but I guess the saying is true, nothing in life really is!
 
..........nothing in life really is!

Truth. But, re the discussion. My wife is an ortho PA (specializing in upper extremities) and I've learned a lot about the business.

Ortho docs are like anything else. Some good. Some bad. Do some research. I've learned to contact physical therapists in the area and find out which docs send them trainwrecks, and which send them superstars. I prefer the latter.

I also use Voltaren Gel on the affected areas. Formerly prescription only, it's now over the counter. Also, I have taken ibuprofin before heading to the range.

Finally, when my arthritis flares up, I'll use a flexible wrist brace tightly wrapped when shooting heavy recoiling handguns. Big bore semi autos, for example.

If you're considering surgery (such as, replacement), be advised, all surgery has a downside. CMC arthroplasty is no different. You won't have the strength you once had and range of motion/mobility is less. Some patients don't seem to mind. Some do mind. The thing is, docs don't always explain the possibilities. Know what you're getting into.

Best of luck.
 
Truth. But, re the discussion. My wife is an ortho PA (specializing in upper extremities) and I've learned a lot about the business.

Ortho docs are like anything else. Some good. Some bad. Do some research. I've learned to contact physical therapists in the area and find out which docs send them trainwrecks, and which send them superstars. I prefer the latter.

I also use Voltaren Gel on the affected areas. Formerly prescription only, it's now over the counter. Also, I have taken ibuprofin before heading to the range.

Finally, when my arthritis flares up, I'll use a flexible wrist brace tightly wrapped when shooting heavy recoiling handguns. Big bore semi autos, for example.

If you're considering surgery (such as, replacement), be advised, all surgery has a downside. CMC arthroplasty is no different. You won't have the strength you once had and range of motion/mobility is less. Some patients don't seem to mind. Some do mind. The thing is, docs don't always explain the possibilities.

Best of luck.
Good points, I have the gel from a elbow issue a few years ago, might put that to work. I see it in the store also. Thanks.
 
I definitely do better with a handgun that has a grip that reaches all the way to firmly brace against the “heel bone” area of my hand. Better accuracy, all along, and, better for my aches and pains, as I have aged. The Ruger SP101, for example, largely put my S&W .38 J-Frames out of business, especially for right-handed shooting, by 2002, when I was age 41. (The recoil-damping weight was part of this equation, too.) Actually, .38 J-Frames were annoying to my hands, even before then, but I remember buying my second SP101 in 2002. I do like one J-Frame, today, but, it is solid stainless steel, shoots .32 ammo, and has round-to-square grips on it.

I am not saying that J-Frames were what wrecked my right hand. I believe the J-Frame was simply acting as the canary in the coal mine.

By age 56, I had to stop shooting Glock G19 pistols right-handed, while the longer-gripped G17 remained “orthopedic.” The back strap area of the G19 grip does not reach the “heel” of my hand, whereas the grip of the G17 does reach that far, and has a gentle, supportive shape. I traded-away three Glock 19 pistols, in 2020, after not shooting them since 2017, when I was 56.

Again, I am not saying that shooting Glock 19 pistols caused my hand health problems. They were the coal mine canaries.

Switching to a lower-recoiling cartridge does help, I believe. I was so very glad to be able to transition to a 9mm duty pistol, in 2015, from the previous-standard .40 S&W, when my chief authorized 9mm to be an alternative duty cartridge.

I also believe that using a pistol with a lower bore axis is helpful. A high bore axis is a factor in muzzle flip. When I transitioned to a 9mm duty pistol, in 2015, as mentioned above, I also switched to the lower-bore-axis Glock, retiring my SIG P229R .40 S&W.

Full-sized 1911 pistols are good for my hands. (Others’ hands may vary.) Steel, as mentioned above, damps recoil. The full-duty-length grip braces well against the “heel bone” area of my hand. The 1911 has a relatively low bore axis, compared to some pistol designs. The original .45 ACP accelerates rather gently, compared to some cartridges. When my above-mentioned SIG P229 duty pistol, firing .40 ammo, started vexing my right thumb, hand, and wrist, as I approached my 50th birthday, I pulled my 1911 from the safe, and took it to the range. I learned that the operation of the 1911 was still well-drilled into my brain, and, that shooting .45 ACP, with the full-Govt-sized 1911, did not hurt. (Knock on wood!) I still had to carry a .40 duty pistol, while at work, but could carry the 1911 during personal time. I trained with the 1911, rather than the SIG, for auto-pistol skills, and trained with a K-Frame .22 revolver, to maintain long-stroke double-action skill, because a SIG DAK trigger is very much like a the trigger of an S&W K-Frame, in operation, if not in mechanics. Several years later, as mentioned above, I was able to switch to a 9mm duty pistol, the Glock 17.

Many, of course, have embraced the 9mm 1911, as a good handgun for aging hands. I have yet to acquire a 9mm 1911, but probably will, sooner or later.

I am left-handed, but right-armed. I tend to use small tools lefty, and larger tools, that require serious arm motions, right-handed. I chose to carry on my right side, when I started a police academy, almost 40 years ago. I shot big-bore Magnums mostly right-handed, in the Eighties. I was a believer in big-bore “stopping” power. By about 1990, I realized that N-Frames were too big for my hands, and that it was a terrible idea to hold N-Frames with an off-set grasp, in order to get enough finger on the trigger. I believe that shooting big-bore Magnums, in this way, is largely what wrecked my right thumb, hand, and wrist. I did much less damage to my left hand, because I was more likely to practice with milder back-up weapons with my left hand. Plus, range sessions with big-bore Magnums could make it difficult to hand-write my reports and other paperwork.

Today, I will still shoot such truly useful weapons as baby Glocks only left-handed. Full-sized guns are my right hand’s friends.

I still shoot full-pressure .357 Magnum ammo, but in low volumes, and only left-handed, with guns that I can grip properly. My only remaining big-bore Magnum revolver, an S&W Model 58, .41 Mag, is retired. (It is too “loose” to keep shooting it, anyway.)
 
Like they say, “if I knew I was going to last this long, I would have taken better care of my body”, be 76 soon.

I keep shots through my LCP to a minimum, increased my shooting with .22’s.

Bigger grips on guns with high powered rounds to distribute the recoil around a little better. No more hunched over sportbike riding with so much weight on my wrists. Sit up standard bike, Kaw W650, along with gel pads in the gloves to absorb vibration. Those gloves would probably work well for shooting, too.

@wcwhitey hopefully your symptoms are temporary!
 
Like they say, “if I knew I was going to last this long, I would have taken better care of my body”, be 76 soon.

I keep shots through my LCP to a minimum, increased my shooting with .22’s.

Bigger grips on guns with high powered rounds to distribute the recoil around a little better. No more hunched over sportbike riding with so much weight on my wrists. Sit up standard bike, Kaw W650, along with gel pads in the gloves to absorb vibration. Those gloves would probably work well for shooting, too.

@wcwhitey hopefully your symptoms are temporary!

Motorcycles are another thing that are hard on your wrists. Some types will be worse than others but they are all bad as far as the constant vibrations and repetitive motions are concerned. I was averaging about 30,000 miles per year on my motorcycle before I had to give up riding.
 
Motorcycles are another thing that are hard on your wrists. Some types will be worse than others but they are all bad as far as the constant vibrations and repetitive motions are concerned. I was averaging about 30,000 miles per year on my motorcycle before I had to give up riding.
Yes, the repetitive wrist action for motorcycle throttle and brake and clutch pulls take their toll, plus the vibration as you say. Sorry you had to give it up.

I’ve been riding continuously since I was 17, so almost 59 years now. Hopefully, I have a few more years left.
 
Motorcycles are another thing that are hard on your wrists. Some types will be worse than others but they are all bad as far as the constant vibrations and repetitive motions are concerned. I was averaging about 30,000 miles per year on my motorcycle before I had to give up riding.

Yes, the repetitive wrist action for motorcycle throttle and brake and clutch pulls take their toll, plus the vibration as you say. Sorry you had to give it up.

I’ve been riding continuously since I was 17, so almost 59 years now. Hopefully, I have a few more years left.

I also ride. In recent years my bikes have a more upright seating position. Helps reduce pressures on my wrists, elbows and shoulders. Also my bike doesn’t vibrate as much as past bikes.
 
I didn't realize how much arthritis I have in my hands until I had my knee replaced.
I was medicating with a handful of ibuprofen everyday. Once I stopped with the inflammatory meds after my knee replacement, my hands started to hurt.
I still shoot as frequently as I can. I just shoot less rounds when I do.
My body hurts everyday and it hurts more when I stop moving. Stay active to stay feeling good.
 
Something that really kills my wrists is using my drill driver for more that just a couple of screws. I have been working on a project for 2 weeks now that I should have done in a day years ago. It’ll get done eventually, but if I take my time and I don’t over do it I can shoot my guns and ride my bike and eventually get my bench and ammo rack built.

I made the mistake of doing a bunch of work using my drill driver a few months ago. I paid for that over a 3 week period.

Moderation is the key, always.
 
I’m not a doctor, but…

Isn’t that the way this should start?

I have applied BenGay heavily to the areas of my hurting hand, then put on a vinyl glove. It works for me.
I do the same, but use Vicks, (rub my hands and toes) then put on my gloves, witch I wear day and NIGHT.
 
My wife has arthritis much worse that I do. She swears by Blue Emu for a topical rub but I prefer Miracle Ice. It's time to go rub some on my bum right wrist that is feeling like it has a nail stuck in it.
 
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Something that really kills my wrists is using my drill driver for more that just a couple of screws. I have been working on a project for 2 weeks now that I should have done in a day years ago. It’ll get done eventually, but if I take my time and I don’t over do it I can shoot my guns and ride my bike and eventually get my bench and ammo rack built.

I made the mistake of doing a bunch of work using my drill driver a few months ago. I paid for that over a 3 week period.

Moderation is the key, always.

I couldn’t turn a door knob for almost 3 months from cutting hedges. Up on a ladder one arm extended over the shrubs working an electric hedge trimmer for several hours. The vibration gave me tennis elbow something fierce. A handshake was excruciating. The only thing that worked was a cortisone shot. Only took one and has been good for 5 years now. I hate hedges!
 
I couldn’t turn a door knob for almost 3 months from cutting hedges. Up on a ladder one arm extended over the shrubs working an electric hedge trimmer for several hours. The vibration gave me tennis elbow something fierce. A handshake was excruciating. The only thing that worked was a cortisone shot. Only took one and has been good for 5 years now. I hate hedges!

If you have that issue again, try that Icy Hot with Lidocaine. It really helps a lot and it’s not hot and it doesn’t smell. At first it doesn’t feel like anything then in short order the pain subsides.
 
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