ASM Walker quality

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I've done some research, and it seems some models of ASM revolvers had problems with soft metals, I am in a position to pick up an ASM colt walker for a good price (250.00), are they good quality? if internals are indeed soft (if this is a problem at all), could i replace structural parts with Uberti with some fitting?

Thanks ahead for the responses, I appreciate it, I'm very interested in joining the "Walker" club, lol, and I just hope that the ASM will be a reliable and durable piece.!
 
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my COLT WALKER is a ARMY SAN MARCO , Made in 1980 , the only problems i"v had is the loading lever dropped a few times so i bent the catch slightly, had no problems with it since , and the nipples were to big for the number 11 caps when i got it so i replaced them but the new nipples were not a good fit so i used UBERTI nipples , other than that i like my ASM COLT WALKER , I"ll put my neck out here, its the ( BEST MAKE I THINK , ) ( fire back whatever you want guys your COLT WALKERS won"t reach this side of the pond .) ha ha ... If you don"t shoot it ,it will last forever BUT if you shoot it a lot things will wear out in time whatever the make ..........MY colt walker was for sale at the same time as these 2 remingtons , i could not make my mind up so i brought the COLT WALKER AND THE 2 REMINGTONS PRICE £185 FOR ALL THREE .... i think at the time it was about $2 to the £1 ............the stainless remington is UBERTI and the other one is PIETTA .....
 

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Army of 1 with all due respect I have a Uberti WALKER and I have seen ASM WALKERS
The fit and finish from a ASM while is very good I have a 1858 Remmington and a 63 pocket and the fit and finish are very good however compared to an Uberti that is like comparing an apple to an orange. The 2 ASM revolvers that I have are very nice dont get me wrong but the Uberti F/F is superior. Flav if you can pick up an ASM WALKER for $250 do it and if you need parts check out www.vti.com they carry a very large selection of parts for all Italian reroduction revolvers.
 
ASM Walkers are good quality. There were problems with soft (untreated) steels in some ASM guns, and it is prudent to have spares for the action parts. I have both Uberti and ASM Walkers; parts are not generally interchangeable but can be made to fit with little effort using a fine tooth file.
Make up your own mind as to fit and finish:
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It seems to me early ASm products were actually pretty good. Maybe not as good as Uberti but atleast decently made. When I first got into BP I bought some ASM revolvers; this was maybe 1990-1 and I was not really pleased with some of the workmanship. They worked but .... later after I'd picked up some Piettas and Ubertis I realized the ASM also had soft metal. Man, just cocking a ASM Colt 1860 scored the &%E^$%$*($() out of the cylinder stops.!!!!
 
don"t matter what make of COLT WALKER it is just shoot it and enjoy it , .......its how it shoots that counts ............................
 
how good were the original COLT WALKERS made f/f wise , were they like a modern UBERTI for f/f or more like my ASM WALKER a bit rough and ready . ???????????????
 
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I have a 1970's vintage ASM 2nd Model Dragoon. It's been seviceable and clocks well and is not loose, however, the ratchet machined into the back of the cylinder does show signs of gauling, so I would suggest you check this area.
Many original Colts show the same wear, so I don't presume the cylinder is unsafe. Nor does it have trouble functioning. I just never thought much about special lubrication when I was 19 or 20 years old. :rolleyes:
 
Asm walkers

Well now...I have done alot of reading about the ASM Walkers and have found that ASM used Forged Frames....Now that's a Big Plus!
as far as internals...All revolvers will develop problems after extensive shooting if not cleaned and oiled correctly.....its the nature of The Beast!
I have a ASM Whitneyville walker on the way,,,I plunked down $300 for it
knowing it was manufactured in 1969 and has never been fired. Cant wait to receive it.! It has a natural walnut set of grips,,,Not covered with the
Uberti red varnish.......
 
Well now...I have done alot of reading about the ASM Walkers and have found that ASM used Forged Frames....Now that's a Big Plus!
as far as internals...All revolvers will develop problems after extensive shooting if not cleaned and oiled correctly.....its the nature of The Beast!
I have a ASM Whitneyville walker on the way,,,I plunked down $300 for it

I would be very suspect of the forged frame claim on the ASM Walker. AFAIK all Italian manufacturers use cast steel or brass frames for the BP revolvers. The increased labor would have a major effect on price for a forged frame revolver.
 
I have an older Armi San Marco 3rd Dragoon, and it is lovely and dead-reliable and well fitted in every way.

I would not worry about ASM.

If somehow, one ends up getting one which has or devleops some problems, just fix it, and Life goes on!
 
ASM Quality

See, now I have a pair or ASM's, the 1860 Arm was a 1989 production date and the Walker with a 1972 production date and I am more than please with both. But I have to say that with a grain of salt as I wanted them both defarbed and that required I did some refinshing. On the 1860 I used Oxpho-blue and it looks wonderfull. After each shooting session, prior to wiping it down with olive oil I do a quick touch up on any area that may have lost some finish and so far it has held up better than my Peita fake 44 1851. The Walker I tried that Fire blue on. Did it in my gas grill which just does hit 600 degrees, perhaps a little higher (there was a bunch of stuff written on this in the "who all has a Walker" thread. It turned out alright and is more durable than the Ospho-Blue so far not showing much in the way of finish wear. 5669600074_large.jpg
 
I have a couple tidbits to offer since just spent some time speaking with the gunsmith the VTI recommends for their customer's BP gunsmithing work and cylinder conversions.
First did you know that San Marco made the famed Colt Collector series BP guns? That says something.
However the gunsmith told me that there is more to the picture. Some of the San Marcos are equal to the Colt series but unfortunately some are not. He can tell "by looking at them" and cycling their actions. I should have asked for more info but I was already pressing my luck and his good graces by pumping him for info on another unrelated BP problem with a Uberti 1860 Army bolt.

He also told me that San Marco has two diameter arbors. The smallest of the two is quickly identifiable by lifting the hammer and inspecting end of the arbor as it protrudes out from the receiver. If it has a visible slot as in the whole arbor is threaded in, you are looking at the small diameter arbored San Marco. If there is no slot and it appears to be hammer peened in place you are looking at the larger diameter San Marco. This is important for two reasons. First the larger arbor is a bit stronger and second if you think you might ever plan to buy a conversion cylinder you must use the larger diameter arbored San Marco. He can set it up so one can switch between BP cylinder and the Long Colt 45. Kinda spendy though.
For the record I have a San Marco. I have experienced cylinder stiffness after only one-cylinders fired. I have to help the cylinder turn if I want to keep firing. I am still working on a fix.
 
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Odd, I heard that it was Uberti who supplied the parts for Colt's continuation series. Personaly, I don't care which one and or who it was that made them for Colt, they are in my mind no diff than any other reproduction. Carol Shelby built a car called the Cobra back in the mid 60's and about 8-10 years ago, started to do them again using a block of serial numbers he had from then but never used. Sold them as authentic but you could get them in aluminun or fiberglass. I say they only made the authentic of anything once, anything done years later no mater who did it is no more than a knock off and I for one will not pay top $ for it. Just my 3 cents worth (the extra 1 cent due to auto speak on a black poweder thread.)
 
Little Red,

Your gun is different then mine which is a (AC) date stamp and bought in the early 70's.

If yours was the year you think it should have all this writing on the barrel. Also there must be a third type of arbor. Mine is large that screws in then pined with a screw at rear under hammer.

Mine isn't a very good quality gun at all.
Everything that can be off, is.
Nipple flash holes are way to large. Muzzle has been buffed at factory and wore into one side of bore slightly which makes gun very inaccurate.
Bolt drops to soon and pulls out of cyl to late.

Look at the screws on mine. One looks like a little kid might have made it. <grin> Slot is not even in center. Came from factory this way.

In all my years I have only bought two non Colt revolvers and learned my lesson. This Walker replica and the second being a 1862 sherif model 36 cal. That was an earlier A.UBERTI & C. AE date code. Which needed a lot of work too.
All Athenic Colts after that.

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Tuckerp229 said:
San Marco made the famed Colt Collector series BP guns
As stated, that is false.

ASM did manufacture some Colt revolvers using Second Generation parts as a proposal to Colt to manufacture them under license. They were marked as authentic Colt guns and were sold to the public. Colt denied ASM's license application and sued ASM to stop making the guns, which they did.

You have either misunderstood what the gunsmith told you, or he is mistaken and making false statements.

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it was Uberti who supplied the parts for Colt's continuation series
As to Uberti, they made rough casting parts which Colt's Manufacturing Company finished and assembled, with other Colt manufactured parts, into the Second Generation Colt bp revolvers.
 
At the time that Colt was releasing and selling the 2nd Gen. BP revolvers, a friend of mine took a tour of the Colt facilities in Hartford, Conn. We had just both purchased 1862 Pocket Navies from Uberti. He told me that nowhere in the facility did he see any BP revolver work being done. We have always believed that Uberti made the entire line for Colt including the finishing! Our 1862 Pocket Navies are identical to the Colts 2g, except ours do not have the silver plated grip/trigger guard frames. Another thing, at the same time Colt was marketing these revolvers, any Colt type revolver from Uberti was almost impossible to get. JMHO
 
If I recall correctly all of the F series 2nd Gen Colts were manufactured by Lou Imperato at the old Iver Johnson for Colt using barrels, cylinders, and grip frames from Italy with the frames and other parts being made at Iver Johnson. The guns were sent to Colt for final inspection and distrabution.
 
Rod Doc, IF you had read my initial post and not just the second one, you would have seen where I said I had defarbed the barrel which explains why I have nothing stamped on it. On top of that, NEVER think that all production is identical. All mine had in it was Made in Itialy, .44 cal and Blackpowder only. Now all I have are a few proof marks and the date code on the right side of the frame and a S MARCO on the front left so faint you almost miss it. IF I ever decide to re-do the case hardening, I will remove these as well.

As far as the date, I know that too and said it accuratly as well as the date code on it is XX8 which = 1972 for ASM.

Now, in regard to my trigger and bolt screws, I replaced the chewed up ones that were on mine when I bought it with Uberti replacements. No, they do not fit right in, yes, I had to do some minor reworking, but nothing I was unable to do......however I understand and have no hard feelings toward those who feel better letting a trained gunsmith do this for them.....and thus the look that is different.

What I DID hear is early ASM was of a higfher quality than later, that later when they tried to make a product for all budgets, quality was lessened in some of the lower $ versions found at store X vs the higher $ ASM at store Y and this is what ultimatly killed them (although they are not technicly dead since they were bought and now offer other black powder item as well as other replicas (I have one, a Chiappa 1911 clone in .22 LR, love it) AND the early ASM was closer to the real colts to boot. I can tell, after looking over all those Walker photos that the Uberti Walker had a deeper bevel on the octagaon portion of the barrel below the plunger on the loading level than ASM did, and the ASM version is more accurate or looks more in line with the initial 1847 Colt production due to this, and perhaps also due to those smaller, but easier to ruin, bolt and trigger screws too.
 
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If I recall correctly all of the F series 2nd Gen Colts were manufactured by Lou Imperato at the old Iver Johnson for Colt using barrels, cylinders, and grip frames from Italy with the frames and other parts being made at Iver Johnson. The guns were sent to Colt for final inspection and distribution.
Makes sense to me and explains why my friend saw NO BP revolver work being done in the Colt manufactory.
 
denster,

Now that was an informative article! It sure answers a lot of questions and puts to rest a whole bunch of mis-information. Thanks for posting it.
 
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