ATF raid in CT

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34 years after a forged check, the ATF raids this guys parents home on a "tip" that a felon is living in house with guns. Somehow this doesn't seem right to me. A violent felon yes, but for a forged check? I guess those stupid teenage stunts can haunt you forever...

http://www.myrecordjournal.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=20316296&BRD=2755&PAG=461&dept_id=594803&rfi=8

Residents shaken after ATF raids mobile home
14 guns seized, 1 left behind at Western Sands park

By Mary Ellen Godin
Record-Journal staff

WALLING FORD— A usually quiet mobile home park was shaken Friday morning when about 15 officers from the U.S. bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and local police descended on one of their neighbor’s homes with force.

“They had their guns drawn and were surrounding the house,” said Jennifer Monroe of Hosford Bridge Road. “These weren’t small guns, they were machine guns. It wasn’t normal.”

Lynne Boynton, of 15 Hosford Bridge Road, went to her husband’s truck for coffee money at about 6 a.m. and was pushed to the driveway and handcuffed with an officer’s knee in her back and a gun to her head.

ATF officers surrounded her father-in-law’s home at Western Sands Mobile Home Park and used a battering ram to enter the unlocked home in the rear, Boynton said.

“They were pouring out of there like crazy,” said Monroe, who can easily see the front door. “They had Lynne in handcuffs. We were like ‘What are they looking for?’ ” Once inside, officers pulled Gilman Boynton and Paul Boynton out of bed, the men said. Paul Boynton said three or four officers threw him to the floor and put a gun to his head. Gilman Boynton, 76, who suffers from a heart condition, was made to sit in the living room, he said. “Don’t I have any rights? ” a visibly shaken Gilman Boynton said. “I’ve been living here for over 40 years. The police have been here and seen my guns.”

The family was told by ATF officers that the agency received a tip six weeks ago that a convicted felon was living at the home and had access to guns, Lynne Boynton said. Paul Boynton was arrested 34 years ago at the age of 17 with a friend who had forged a check. He hasn’t been arrested since, he said.

Gilman Boynton is a gun collector, who keeps his rifles in a locked case on the wall, and a Beretta pistol in a safe. On Friday, ATF officers confiscated 14 rifles from the gun case and took his permits, he said. After breaking the safe, the ATF officers left the Beretta with a magazine cartridge still in the safe in Boynton’s dresser.

“If they are so worried about guns, why did they leave a pistol in the safe and the holster?” Lynne Boynton said. “It was humiliating; I’ve never been handcuffed in my life.”

According to a search and seizure warrant signed by U.S. District Court Judge Joan G. Margolis in New Haven Thursday, the agents were authorized to seize firearms, ammunition, holsters and destructive devices. They were also looking for personal property that identified the residents, including canceled mail, deeds, leases, rental agreements, photographs, personal telephone books, diaries, utility and telephone bills, statements, identification documents and keys.

The confiscated guns and the arrest warrant must be presented to Margolis in court.

There were no arrests during Friday’s raid.

Paul Boynton said he is not a gun enthusiast and didn’t make the connection between his 34-year-old conviction and his father’s collection.

“This could have been handled so much easier,” Boynton said. “All they had to do was have an officer come to my door and tell me.”

The Boynton’s rear door was bashed and has to be secured. Garbage bags, clothing, jewelry, a television and other household items were dumped in heaps in the various rooms. Paul Boynton, who suffers from herniated discs and other back problems, was having difficulty walking. The officers called a medic for Gilman Boynton to check his vital signs, and asked if he wanted to be hospitalized. He refused.

“At the end of it when they didn’t find nothing, they were real nice,” Gilman Boynton said.

Neighbor Natalie Monroe, mother of Jennifer, said in the 21 years she’s lived there, she’s never seen any disturbances across the street and was shaken at the sight of her neighbor lying in her driveway in handcuffs. She was also concerned about the effects all the excitement would have on Gilman Boynton’s health.

“We were floored,” Natalie Monroe said. “We were like what the heck is going on? I’ve never seen anything like this. They went through all their vehicles.”

A Wallingford Police Department detective said the department sent several officers to the scene at the request of the ATF. But the department had no knowledge of the details in the case, and referred questions to the bureau. Telephone messages left at the ATF’s field offices in New Haven and Bostonwere not returned.

The officers told the family that Paul Boynton could still be arrested because the keys to the gun rack were hanging up in the kitchen, Lynne Boynton said.

“But I had to help them open it,” Gilman Boynton said.
 
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Sounds to me like they were looking for an unindentified third party who used a long gun in a crime. It's not like they are going to tell the searchees who and what they're looking for.

John
 
Sounds to me like they were looking for an unindentified third party who used a long gun in a crime. It's not like they are going to tell the searchees who and what they're looking for.

What are you basing this statement on?
 
The ATF is lucky this didn't end up as another Ruby Ridge or Waco.

No those home owners are lucky this didn't turn into another Rudy Ridge or Waco, those were both resounding successes for the ATF, well considering they didn't get prosecuted for about 90 murders. Why is it standard procedure to place guns at the heads of the targets of raids? Especially if their not resisting.
 
To me, this looks like really bad police work, but sorry to say, I doubt it's unusual.

1) They got the tip six weeks previously, but didn't know whether the guy was actually in the house or not.
2) They did a full bore, no-knock raid when they had no reason to believe they would meet violent resistance.

Just by the way, this kind of raid is not too different from what a lot of Iraqis have had to tolerate from American troops. It's no wonder they get hostile.
 
"Why is it standard procedure to place guns at the heads of the targets of raids? Especially if their not resisting." For the same reason they break down an un-locked door. Because they can.
 
"Just by the way, this kind of raid is not too different from what a lot of Iraqis have had to tolerate from American troops. It's no wonder they get hostile." I suppose it was better when it was Saddam's Repulican Guard doing it.
 
I suppose it was better when it was Saddam's Repulican Guard doing it.
I think it does not matter much, what letters are on the badge of person, holding you at gun-point for no obvious (for you) reason.
Same applies to persons breaking into your home.

Either way, you will be seriously pissed off... or you won't?
 
From what I've heard, if you get a Class 3 license, or one to broker your own ammunition/primers, you are signing your rights away about searches. Good enough reason for me not to pursue them.

This actually sounds worse - being brutalized because someone else did something wrong.

Randy
 
Better in this case they did not try to defend. I've lived in a trailer, and they are not a defensible position against an opponent numbering three or more... especially armed with automatics. A trailer sits three feet off the ground. When you make love to the dirt you're directly in the range of spray and pray. There is no cover in a trailer except *possibly* the bathtub. Only then if it's cast... and those are only in very old trailers. (if you live in one you prolly don't own a gunsafe...)

An offensive also would have been less than effective. Only one pistol was ready. The rest would have had to come out of the safe.

In this case the best bet would have been the neighbors; unfortunately they were only "disturbed" not incensed.

In the end I think it's best to find situations in which you can put yourself under a little stress and screw up. This gives you a chance to live, and critique yourself so when the stress is real you donlt screw up... as much.
 
So raid was based on a rumor, no evidence of crime found, place trashed, safe broken, guns confiscated.
 
34 years after a forged check, the ATF raids this guys parents home on a "tip" that a felon is living in house with guns. Somehow this doesn't seem right to me. A violent felon yes, but for a forged check? I guess those stupid teenage stunts can haunt you forever...

By the current laws, a felon is a felon in regard to possession/proximity to weapons. There isn't a separation between violent and non-violent offenders. It doesn't matter if it was yesterday or 34 years ago, unless the record has been expunged or the rights of the felon restored.

Yes, there are ramifications for breaking the law. That is sort of why it is really important to not commit felonies. Interesting that a hot check deal turned into a felony, but if it did and the felon did nothing to restore his rights, then he certainly may be breaking the law by living in a home with firearms.
 
Bearing in mind that we know almost nothing factual concerning the case/event besides (1) a convicted felon lived at the residence and (2) the resident claimed the police had previously been at the residence on at least one occasion I think I'll skip the blanket condemnation, bet there's a bit more to the story than told in that fine piece of journalism and wait for updates.
 
As i've said before: A felon is a felon is a felon.

As a felon, he knew he couldn't own yet he had a collection. So much for the rehabilitation argument.

Another good reason not to associate with felons - when they get caught breaking the law and the SHTF the innocent get splattered, too.
 
I used to live in that area and over reaction to anyone with guns is the norm rather than the exception. Those of us who owned weapons responsibly were on the same level as felons anyway.
 
No he did not have a collection. the collection belonged to his father. Since there were no arrests made it is obvious that the Feds screwed up. Re-read the news report. BTW, that "cowardly" sheriff has NO SAY in the matter.
 
The bottom line is, "they" are above the law. Heaven help us.

My thoughts exactly.. I have heard so many stories exactly like this, each one more disgusting then the last. What can we do to reign in these rediculous abuses of police power?

And as an above poster stated, they are truly doing this just "because they can." These people got a kick out of messing up someones life and possibly getting innocent people killed when this could have been solved by a simply knock on the door.. Protect and Serve my ass..
 
Enough with the cop-bashing. I don't mind it when the facts support the conclusion, but in this case all you have is the words of a news reporter. That's hardly an authoritative source from which to derive such a negative conclusion.

Oh, and for the record - if the felon in the house could gain access via reasonable means to the firearnms, then the FIL is actually potentially in dutch with the law. That may or may not warrant a dynamic entry raid, but I'm not going to pass judgement until the legal types of both sides sort it out.
 
When a Federal agency has a history of this type of behavior it is very easy to believe that they have done it yet another time when this type of report comes out. The fact that the convicted felon was breaking the law is not in question here. The problem is the VERY heavy handed way it was handled. And why weren't there any arrests? I agree we probably don't know all the facts but what we do know doesn't look good for the Feds.
 
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