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I think that in the fine print, auction companies have rules against that. However I don't believe that either scan the other looking for duplicate listings. If indeed bids were submited for a single item, gun, whatever, things might get very interesting for the seller, who under the worst of circumstances could do some hard time in the slammer.
I note that on Gunbroker the seller isn't rated, and as such doesn't have a reputation, good or bad. 
It is possible that the seller is some kind of a dealer that's trying to move out a stock of several (more or less) revolvers, possibly to avoid an inventory tax, or just to get his money out of a slow moving item. It's O.K. to list different guns of the same kind in alternative auctions, but if this isn't the case he could be in serious trouble.
It is possible that the seller is some kind of a dealer that's trying to move out a stock of several (more or less) revolvers, possibly to avoid an inventory tax, or just to get his money out of a slow moving item. It's O.K. to list different guns of the same kind in alternative auctions, but if this isn't the case he could be in serious trouble.
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Isn`t the seller , Thirdrail from this forum ?
Maybe its some guns from the Bigiron collection....
Isn`t the seller , Thirdrail from this forum ?
Maybe its some guns from the Bigiron collection....
sjohns
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Looks like the same pic also. Note that he doesn't have a track record at auction arms also. Could be he's simply a newbie dummy guy.
As you can see, he's using the same seller name at both locations.
AND... look at the min bids. The red box is an older, so specious, as to current quality levels, gun.
Email him if it'll make ya feel better. He may simply be ignorant.
As you can see, he's using the same seller name at both locations.
AND... look at the min bids. The red box is an older, so specious, as to current quality levels, gun.
Email him if it'll make ya feel better. He may simply be ignorant.
dwave
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I say it is BigIron, or someone working for them.
Address from Auction:
RUSHVILLE, OH 43150
FAIRFIELD County
Address from Website:
P.O. Box 174
Rushville, Ohio 43150
EDIT:
Here found this on Bigiron's forum:
http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112
Address from Auction:
RUSHVILLE, OH 43150
FAIRFIELD County
Address from Website:
P.O. Box 174
Rushville, Ohio 43150
EDIT:
Here found this on Bigiron's forum:
http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112
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check the seller's name and then this:
http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2097&highlight=#2097
http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2097&highlight=#2097
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sundance44s
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Recond you can sell the same guns a bunch of times ...if you aren`t planning on shipping it to anyone ..Sure is some odd things going on at Bigiron ...Maybe Thirdrail has a problem with his meds too .
Recond you can sell the same guns a bunch of times ...if you aren`t planning on shipping it to anyone ..Sure is some odd things going on at Bigiron ...Maybe Thirdrail has a problem with his meds too .
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Simple oversight on my part, thanks for pointing it out everyone! I've removed the items from Auction Arms. 
dwave - you'll note that I've been keeping the items in that thread updated re:sold or available.
dwave - you'll note that I've been keeping the items in that thread updated re:sold or available.
Quite right, when it comes to auction sites!sjohns said:
dwave
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Third_Rail, I seen that you updated for the navies. I was just pointing out that the guns on the auctions had to be your guys because you had them on the forum.
The gun auctions have a provision for guns offered in more than one location. You often see mention in the description that the gun is subject to sale elsewhere. That's especially handy for stores as they have the same gun on display and auction at the same time. I wish Ebay was like that, actually.
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I disagree Plink,
I would rather that a gun I was bidding on NOT get sold out from underneath me somewhere else. Especially if I am feeling really good cuz I finally got one at a price I can afford.
To have that snatched out from underneath you is extremely foul.
Habitually, the nasty folks that sell online do that sort of thing to you when they didn't get exactly as much as they were hoping for, again, unfair.
For if that is fair, it should always be fair that I decide not to purchase after "winning" an auction. ( I should be able to say [by the same logic], "I got one for less!" with impunity also... but we wouldn't want that would we?)We really can't allow a double standard that sellers can always do what they want but Buyers have a contract and MUST go through with it. (or get the nasty feedback or whatever)
Having a gun sold out from under you cuz the Auction Arms people bid higher than you did at Gunbroker, creates a sad state of affairs, and seems unfair in practice. (or even when they claim that some one might walk in their store and buy it, so your bid gets cancelled.) That is unfair competition for purchasers.
When ever I see those ads, my first thought is that I'd like to ask "Why bother?" if you're going to be that way. I personally don't bid on those kinds of auctions as I'd rather not have that shafted feeling later.
Another thought is that if they (anyone, I am not referring to Big Iron) are so desparate to sell that they have to stoop to those sorts of tactics, then perhaps their business isn't very solvent, and these sorts of tactics may indicate why. ... They just aren't well organized.
It is one thing to be, or want to be, a gun dealer or merchant of any kind, but it is another thing entirely to have the capacity and ability to do so.
See what I am getting at? Its rather unfair to sell the same gun at two sites. Makes everything sorta "iffy" on the ethical level.
Ebay has ways for the liars to do this to you. A seller can, without warnung, cancel a sale by clicking on a box that says the item is no longer available, or was misstated and other excuses like that. You can complain and ebay will, of course, "investigate", but unless the seller has had repeated complaints about the same sort of thing, they will let the sellers off the hook for awhile, and you get the shaft.
But I would rather, if any website is gonna "force me to pay" by using negative methods on me, (bad feedback, barring from site, etc.) then I would prefer that sellers MUST honor their sales, or suffer the same as any buyer. THAT is what would be right.
Of course we all know that "Ebay doesn't do guns." right... hehehe
I would rather that a gun I was bidding on NOT get sold out from underneath me somewhere else. Especially if I am feeling really good cuz I finally got one at a price I can afford.
To have that snatched out from underneath you is extremely foul.
Habitually, the nasty folks that sell online do that sort of thing to you when they didn't get exactly as much as they were hoping for, again, unfair.
For if that is fair, it should always be fair that I decide not to purchase after "winning" an auction. ( I should be able to say [by the same logic], "I got one for less!" with impunity also... but we wouldn't want that would we?)We really can't allow a double standard that sellers can always do what they want but Buyers have a contract and MUST go through with it. (or get the nasty feedback or whatever)
Having a gun sold out from under you cuz the Auction Arms people bid higher than you did at Gunbroker, creates a sad state of affairs, and seems unfair in practice. (or even when they claim that some one might walk in their store and buy it, so your bid gets cancelled.) That is unfair competition for purchasers.
When ever I see those ads, my first thought is that I'd like to ask "Why bother?" if you're going to be that way. I personally don't bid on those kinds of auctions as I'd rather not have that shafted feeling later.
Another thought is that if they (anyone, I am not referring to Big Iron) are so desparate to sell that they have to stoop to those sorts of tactics, then perhaps their business isn't very solvent, and these sorts of tactics may indicate why. ... They just aren't well organized.
It is one thing to be, or want to be, a gun dealer or merchant of any kind, but it is another thing entirely to have the capacity and ability to do so.
See what I am getting at? Its rather unfair to sell the same gun at two sites. Makes everything sorta "iffy" on the ethical level.
Ebay has ways for the liars to do this to you. A seller can, without warnung, cancel a sale by clicking on a box that says the item is no longer available, or was misstated and other excuses like that. You can complain and ebay will, of course, "investigate", but unless the seller has had repeated complaints about the same sort of thing, they will let the sellers off the hook for awhile, and you get the shaft.
But I would rather, if any website is gonna "force me to pay" by using negative methods on me, (bad feedback, barring from site, etc.) then I would prefer that sellers MUST honor their sales, or suffer the same as any buyer. THAT is what would be right.
Of course we all know that "Ebay doesn't do guns." right... hehehe
Auction Arms rules
* Seller Exclusivity: If a Seller lists an item for sale at Auction Arms, the Seller is contractually obligated to complete the sale of that item if the Reserve Price is met in a Reserve style auction, or if any bids are placed in a Basic style auction. Likewise, if a Seller lists an item with Auction Arms, that Seller agrees that Auction Arms has exclusive rights to sell that item. The Seller is not permitted to list the same item in another venue, or sell the item to a buyer outside of Auction Arms. Failure to complete the sale under those circumstances is cause for negative feedback and/or expulsion from Auction Arms.
* Seller Exclusivity: If a Seller lists an item for sale at Auction Arms, the Seller is contractually obligated to complete the sale of that item if the Reserve Price is met in a Reserve style auction, or if any bids are placed in a Basic style auction. Likewise, if a Seller lists an item with Auction Arms, that Seller agrees that Auction Arms has exclusive rights to sell that item. The Seller is not permitted to list the same item in another venue, or sell the item to a buyer outside of Auction Arms. Failure to complete the sale under those circumstances is cause for negative feedback and/or expulsion from Auction Arms.
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pohill - since there are bids on the Walker, I'm counting it as sold.
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That's good news Pohill
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Third Rail, since you're "here", this would be an opportunity to set things straight. Truthfully, I hope BigIrons is legit - you seem to offer some pretty good services and merchandise. It's good to have options. You have a nice little niche if you want it.
And I don't really care if ManyIrons is real - I still buy Frosted Flakes knowing that Tony the Tiger isn't really "real." (anyone who still thinks ManyIrons is real, go to the MuzzleLoading forum and read some of his postings - some are in German).
And I only bring all this up again because you guys really saturated this forum with your "ads." That's fine, too. But you owe us an explanation...
Are you still in business? If you've run into problems, that's understandable.
Let people know...
Third Rail, since you're "here", this would be an opportunity to set things straight. Truthfully, I hope BigIrons is legit - you seem to offer some pretty good services and merchandise. It's good to have options. You have a nice little niche if you want it.
And I don't really care if ManyIrons is real - I still buy Frosted Flakes knowing that Tony the Tiger isn't really "real." (anyone who still thinks ManyIrons is real, go to the MuzzleLoading forum and read some of his postings - some are in German).
And I only bring all this up again because you guys really saturated this forum with your "ads." That's fine, too. But you owe us an explanation...
Are you still in business? If you've run into problems, that's understandable.
Let people know...
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Still in business - and Thom (manyirons) IS REAL, as am I (Thomas L.) as is Jule. The reason you'll see some of ManyIrons' posts in German is that Jule sometimes used his account in the past.
As for the business running into problems... sort of. It's taken longer than we hoped/expected to get me set up out in Ohio, which delayed everything; no internet, no e-mail. No e-mail, no customer communications, for the most part.
As for the business running into problems... sort of. It's taken longer than we hoped/expected to get me set up out in Ohio, which delayed everything; no internet, no e-mail. No e-mail, no customer communications, for the most part.
Sjohns, you do have a very valid point about them pulling a gun out from under you because they weren't getting as much for it as they wanted. There are many drawbacks to that system and that's why few auction sites allow it. The positive side is to the seller. It allows him to keep the gun for sale in his store and online both, selling it to whomever comes up with the money. Maybe they should only allow that on fixed price listings. If they didn't do it, we wouldn't have much selection though, as a shop would be unlikely to spend the money needed to stay in business when their inventory is locked in online auctions.
Any time there is a system, there will be people to abuse it. I used to sell on Ebay regularly and I had to withdraw an item once. It was damaged while waiting for the auction to end. I hated having to do that, but the item was no longer sellable. I explained what happened to the bidders in email and cancelled the item without incident. I can see how that could easily be misused.
Any time there is a system, there will be people to abuse it. I used to sell on Ebay regularly and I had to withdraw an item once. It was damaged while waiting for the auction to end. I hated having to do that, but the item was no longer sellable. I explained what happened to the bidders in email and cancelled the item without incident. I can see how that could easily be misused.
sjohns
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Plink!
Hi Mike.
Boy am I glad that you and basically no one else ever takes issue on things I say or that others say.
This site is such a PLEASURE.
My other experience is at Gunbroker. It seems like the entire community there are all 12 years old. All you have to do there is sneeze and you'll get your butt handed to ya. God, they wear you out with their inability to understand the simplest english phrase, and refusal to extend common courtesy or to give an antithesis a thoughtful response.
I post over there and don't even want to go back and read the response.
You guys are nice folks. I'm glad to "know" you all.
Scott
Hi Mike.
Boy am I glad that you and basically no one else ever takes issue on things I say or that others say.
This site is such a PLEASURE.
My other experience is at Gunbroker. It seems like the entire community there are all 12 years old. All you have to do there is sneeze and you'll get your butt handed to ya. God, they wear you out with their inability to understand the simplest english phrase, and refusal to extend common courtesy or to give an antithesis a thoughtful response.
I post over there and don't even want to go back and read the response.
You guys are nice folks. I'm glad to "know" you all.
Scott
Scott,
There was nothing to take issue with. We're not clones who all think alike, and sharing our opinions, viewpoints and experiences is a big part of what makes this board so great. I really enjoy the folks here too. What a great bunch.
I often run into the type of people you mention on other sites and even at the local shooting range. They're the type of folks who start fights at their kids ball games and such. Not much you can do but avoid them, I guess.
There was nothing to take issue with. We're not clones who all think alike, and sharing our opinions, viewpoints and experiences is a big part of what makes this board so great. I really enjoy the folks here too. What a great bunch.
I often run into the type of people you mention on other sites and even at the local shooting range. They're the type of folks who start fights at their kids ball games and such. Not much you can do but avoid them, I guess.
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